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Why don't chemists bother with MDA any more? v. Sighs of the reminiscent

^ Ive read a few places from the chemists themselfes that it says it takes twice as much chemicals to make 1 gram of MDA than it would to make 1 gram of MDMA, although there is newer methods that you wont find in any chemisty books etc that explains how to do it on the cheap.

Where ever ive asked though its always been expensive
 
mattnotrik said:
ahh bastard ive already mixed it up and capped it, i read everywhere that everuyone said mdma/mda best combo but ill have to save just mda for next time, ive heard the coemdowns are pretty ruthless, never really get one of mdma anyway so well see
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Did you try these in the end?
 
Not for another 1-2 weeks I dont think yet mate trying to have atleast a 3-4 week break for once after been boshing it too much recently
 
^ Ive read a few places from the chemists themselfes that it says it takes twice as much chemicals to make 1 gram of MDA than it would to make 1 gram of MDMA, although there is newer methods that you wont find in any chemisty books etc that explains how to do it on the cheap.

Where ever ive asked though its always been expensive
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This is exactly what I've been told aswell. When I was getting it locally it was £150 for 3.5gs or £50 for 1g, was definately not as clean looking as what you got though.

Well its 40 a gram. MDMA is 40 a gram. For your end user.

SO same prices
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So your getting a choice of either right now for £40 a g yeah?
 
My understanding is that you can not produce MDMA without first creating MDA so all this talk about taking more chemicals sounds ridiculous unless I'm massively off-base.
 
Having read the various methods most commonly used for MDMA synthesis, it would seem that the only difference between MDA and MDMA synthesis is the final step, which does not seem to add to the costs. My guess for the higher prices for MDA is that it is almost specialist, and dealers probably want more for the ball ache, because the motivation of high volume isn't there?
 
^ This is what I always thought too. But unless the chemists producing the clean looking MDA are lying (which I doubt) then they must be using another route of synth. Which is a discussion we can't really have here.
 
My understanding is that you can not produce MDMA without first creating MDA so all this talk about taking more chemicals sounds ridiculous unless I'm massively off-base.
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That is not the case. I don't think that any practical MDMA synthesis has MDA as a precursor.
Having read the various methods most commonly used for MDMA synthesis, it would seem that the only difference between MDA and MDMA synthesis is the final step, which does not seem to add to the costs. My guess for the higher prices for MDA is that it is almost specialist, and dealers probably want more for the ball ache, because the motivation of high volume isn't there?
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Is the yield not much lower for the MDA synth? Amphetamine from P2P is much lower-yielding than methamphetamine, and those reactions are directly analogous to MDA vs. MDMA from MDP2P.
 
I think if you had to make MDA first to make MDMA you would be seeing much more of MDA crystal on the streets.
 
I thought that was the reason always given for why you'd get MDMA pills with a percentage of MDA in them back in the day. I guess I'm wrong.
 
Vader said:
That is not the case. I don't think that any practical MDMA synthesis has MDA as a precursor.

Is the yield not much lower for the MDA synth? Amphetamine from P2P is much lower-yielding than methamphetamine, and those reactions are directly analogous to MDA vs. MDMA from MDP2P.
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Maybe so, I can't seem to find out. I don't know if this strays too far into the synth discussion (if it does just delete this part), but why would that happen? You are just replacing methylamine with ethylamine right? Or is that a ROS that isn't used anymore?
 
connexion23 said:
why not ... Ask Dr. Shulgin ...

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/making_ecstasy.htm
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Dr - Shulgin "The amount of product obtained is quite variable, however, with MDA usually being produced in the lowest yield. "

Its all about the money these days, not that it ever was but it seems its just more effort to make MDA and MDMA pills, just stick with whacking loads in it seems they are gonna keep doing, wonder how many kids will go "laced with acid" after there first MDA pill, the amount of times ive heard people say that about just mdma and bzp pills etc
 
Well that settles the original question, because it produces the lowest yeild. Not really any disputing that if it's Shuglin saying that either. Possibly using more raw materials aswell but we have no source for that to back it up.

Probably explains why it is usually more expensive aswell per mg. When you think of it those windmills a few years ago only tested as 60-80mg MDA whereas the likes of the cherries and shamrocks about at the same time were around 100mg+ of MDMA I would have said.
 
rockstar 69 said:
Well that settles the original question, because it produces the lowest yeild. Not really any disputing that if it's Shuglin saying that either. Possibly using more raw materials aswell but we have no source for that to back it up.
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If it produces a lower yield then it automatically uses more raw materials. The two things are the same.
 
If it produces a lower yield then it automatically uses more raw materials. The two things are the same.
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I never thought of it like that but you are right.

What right now? No, im at home.

But thats what it is the prices iv had before. 40 for a g of MDA or MDMA
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I didn't mean right this second haha, I ment as in if you wanted it for a night out say next week, you would get a choice of either at £40?

I'm sure once upon a time it was £40 a g, 3-4 years ago single grams of MDMA were costing me £20 or less. Not anymore though. I just can't see that any supplier is going to be doing them at the same price when one costs more than the other in wholesale amounts.
 
no im lying to you, to look cool on the interent.

yes 40 quid for MDA
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So you mean present tense? Still confused.

I've seen it dead cheap online lately but doubt it's legit.
 
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