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[6-APB Subthread] Adverse Effects / Side-effects

^Easy now JSPete! Your pioneering research and reporting always make for a good read. 250mg in a sitting will not draw many frowns, but 4 consecutive days requires me to inform your parents. Behave now ;)
 
tragiclemming said:
^Easy now JSPete! Your pioneering research and reporting always make for a good read. 250mg in a sitting will not draw many frowns, but 4 consecutive days requires me to inform your parents. Behave now ;)
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I'm really not planning on doing it again! 250mg is plenty really. All I wanted was 4x250mg sessions, one after the other. Diminishing returns became rather few and far between though.
 
^I hear you. Boshing a 1g of MDMA in a weekend is easily done. You feel bad and retarded for a while, but in general life continues without issue. With the APB's we're in un-charted territory. I'm quite confident in my knowledge that up to 300mg in a session feels ok. After that, it starts to feel sketchy and becomes pointless.
I remember your post of MXE/6-apb combo. Take care.
 
tragiclemming said:
^I hear you. Boshing a 1g of MDMA in a weekend is easily done. You feel bad and retarded for a while, but in general life continues without issue. With the APB's we're in un-charted territory. I'm quite confident in my knowledge that up to 300mg in a session feels ok. After that, it starts to feel sketchy and becomes pointless.
I remember your post of MXE/6-apb combo. Take care.
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...That is the worst memory of my life. Death-euphoria :(
 
I just read the entire first page in a British accent. How do you manage to get an accent across over text so well? Damn that thick accent lol
 
tragiclemming said:
^I hear you. Boshing a 1g of MDMA in a weekend is easily done. You feel bad and retarded for a while, but in general life continues without issue. With the APB's we're in un-charted territory. I'm quite confident in my knowledge that up to 300mg in a session feels ok. After that, it starts to feel sketchy and becomes pointless.
I remember your post of MXE/6-apb combo. Take care.
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Regardless of whether it's easily done, 1g of MDMA in a weekend is very unhealthy and would likely cause a lot of neurotoxic damage regardless of what your tolerance is.

Re-dosing lots or using MDMA repeatedly without a minimum of 4 weeks break will lead to losing the magic, neurotoxicity which is likely irreversible and many other negative side-effects. Given that 6-APB works in a similar way on the brain, and is also a potent serotonin releaser, it should be treated the same and not taking a month break between uses is asking for trouble - and to not enjoy this chemical in future.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Regardless of whether it's easily done, 1g of MDMA in a weekend is very unhealthy and would likely cause a lot of neurotoxic damage regardless of what your tolerance is.
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Yes, I'm well aware of that. Point being that MDMA is more of a known quantity than 6-apb. 1g of MDMA is very likely to be neurotoxic, but 6-apb could be neurotoxic, hepatoxic, cardiotoxic etc. We just don't know.
 
Yep and people didnt know with mdma either back in the days :)

Thanx for the info till now regarding chestpain, what i can see here and when searching over the net is that in general the genuine product 6-apb does not cause any chest pain in moderate dose. Although a form of vasoconstriction can be caused by any stimulant. This is very valuable info to me. Cheers %)
 
I hadn't any of the problems you guys described.

I was rather worried by the psychical negative effects, the stimulant psychosis.
 
Exxes said:
Yep and people didnt know with mdma either back in the days :)
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Then again, it doesn't appear to have done anyone any harm does it. The hospitals arn't exactly filled with cases of "brain damage" from taking 3-4 grams of E a week for years througout the 80's and 90's.

So while i'd recomend anyones use to be "moderate", I wouldn't panic too much about alleged damage. There's hundreds of thousands of people in hospital damaged by drink and not one damaged by E. I think that tells you something.

If we all stuck to caning E rather than drinking it's clear that the NHS budget would fall dramatically.
 
Just because they aren't in hospital doesn't mean they haven't suffered lasting negative effects.

Just from 2-3 years of MDMA abuse (with amounts smaller than you suggested) I have suffered some negative effects. Not enough to put me in hospital though.
 
Jakeperson said:
Just because they aren't in hospital doesn't mean they haven't suffered lasting negative effects.

Just from 2-3 years of MDMA abuse (with amounts smaller than you suggested) I have suffered some negative effects. Not enough to put me in hospital though.
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True, its far from healthy !

People that did end up in the hospital often mixed MDMA with other stuff/alcohol or used exreme amounts and overheated :s
 
Has anyone noticed that they feel EXTREMELY cold during a 6-apb experience?

My core just felt like it was so cold that it was almost dead. (only 115mg) Friends Have reported similiar,

and no amount of excersize, long underwear, blankets could really warm me up. Methylone is usually the opposite for me temperature wise.

Alarming to say the least.
 
Psyke said:
Has anyone noticed that they feel EXTREMELY cold during a 6-apb experience?

My core just felt like it was so cold that it was almost dead. (only 115mg) Friends Have reported similiar,

and no amount of excersize, long underwear, blankets could really warm me up. Methylone is usually the opposite for me temperature wise.

Alarming to say the least.
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Vasostriction, I only experience coldness on comedown though. If you smoke a little THC, your veins will dilate so that could be the answar to your problem.
 
^THC did not help. BK-mdma is vasoconstrictive as well correct? 6-apb didn't make my limbs cold either, but specifically my core.
 
Last time I took this stuff, I ended up doing 400mg. spread out in 3 doses. 150 is all you need with this stuff, but I had to learn the hard way. Anyway, I took the first dose at midnight, stayed up all night, all day, and finally passed out over 24 hours after the first dose. I was having trouble walking straight for at least a day as my balance was off. I actually felt a nice after glow for about 2 days, then I became really irritated after drinking a couple beers (maybe because I didn't get a strong enough buzz). I then smoked some pot which made me have a good night. Everything was manageable that week but eventually I had days of feeling drained, I had trouble concentrating in school, and had much less patience than usual. I still don't feel 100% a month later, I mean I don't feel as good as I did before the experience. Overall I'd say that this substance was not worth the after effects, although the high was pretty incredible. Like mdma with an extra hour or two of peaking. 150 mg. was good, but redosing after the initial effects was a waste and overall much less effective, and probably contributed to a nastier comedown than I would have had. I still like mdma more, but this stuff totally caught me by surprise with it's effects closely resembling mdma. I recommend taking 100 mg., then once the wave of nausea passes (should be after an hour or so), take another 50 mg. and call it a night. 5 hours of rolling balls, but literally floored, desired sex but felt better just laying down not doing anything other than listening to music. Jaw problems were extremely apparent after redosing above 150 mg.

The other thing I noticed with this substance was that it felt more like a tool than mdma, I mean I feel like I had more of an ability to control the experience, like it had the potential to be more useful. I don't mean like you can just snap out of it, more like you can direct its current to focus on and work through things. MDMA is all in your face to me, but with this stuff, you are rolling balls but still have some power to direct the experience. Also, people talk about visuals with this stuff, but they are very minimal, more like a slight change in the appearance of things, almost like a half gram of shrooms or something, or maybe a higher end dose of MDAI. I haven't had MDA (not MDAI) in a while, but from what I can remember, MDA visuals were stronger than this stuff.
 
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The reality is this substance is much more like MDA than MDMA and all the comparisons with MDMA are confusing.

Its chemical structure is near identical to MDA and its effects have followed suit - are the substances almost the same? I am hanging out for N-Methyl-6-APB, which is the MDMA equivalent, in the hope that this might well be a true MDMA replacement.

I agree on the caution discussed. This needs to be treated like strong MDMA pills, taken occasionally, with appropriate care for the body; before, during and after. People should also look at redosing with less as well, which doesn't often happen when people make up these caps with the same amount.
 
Okay, my side-effects: Diarrhoea 2 days after use.

This next part, I'm not sure if it's actually a side-effect from the 6-APB or not, and I've never heard of anyone else experiencing this. However, I have heard of people getting this from MDMA/MDA in the past so the drug could have been responsible.

I use the computer a lot, and probably because of that my left eyelid muscle started twitching several months ago, it's been twitching quite regularly, at least a few times a day since then. 6-APB made my eyes roll (nystagmus) while I was on it, this quickly disappeared when the effects wore off but my eyelid muscle twitching appeared to get worse. It was really bad for a few days. I think it's likely a combination of the drug, lack of sleep, caffeine intake, computer use, and not enough magnesium (I took a bunch of magnesium today and my eyelid hasn't twitched since the morning) - it seems to be getting better, but just posting this as a warning. If anyone has any twitches or anything like that, might be worth being cautious with this. (and other stimulants/psychedelic stimulants for that matter.)
 
Here's a curious thing I've noticed with re-dosing. If I take a high dose of 200mg in one go, I get an amplified high, better visuals, greater euphoria, etc. with barely increased detrimental effects.

However, on two separate occasions, I've taken 100mg followed by re-dose of 100mg two or three hours later. Both times I've suffered from blackouts, heightened paranoia and have gone into a sort of delirium where I am unable to think properly or communicate well (by speech or by typing). Motor functions don't seem to be any more adversely affected than usual, that is to say that I can still walk and move about, roll cigarettes, type on the keyboard and use a mouse.

I have noticed slight impairment of short-term memory and a shortening of concentration while on 6-APB before, as well as slight time-dilation, so I do wonder if the 'blackouts' are a combination of these rather than actual unconsciousness.
 
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