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Best psychedelic for theraputic introspection/analyizing ones flaws

Check out stablon

I am on this anti-depressant called stablon. It gives a rush of euphoria for like 45 minutes for about two weeks. Its a serotonin cycle enhancer so basically makes you feel closer to people instead of feeling like a zombie. Stablon makes the cortisol induced growth of the amanglyda smaller and the hippocampus bigger which helps with recovery of cognition problems. It does makes the mind a little bit fuzzy at peak. Also, propranolol which is used for physical performance anxiety has some efficacy in treating pstd since it limits long term memory solidification through adrenaline blockage.

You should also take 5htp, omega 3s and a multivitamin.

I don't know which one to pick for a psychedelic, probably a very potent one at a large dose.
 
I've read many good thinks about Iboga / Ibogaine - a psychedelic root which is often described as a 'great mystical teacher'.
Apparently it's like having a wise Elder show up at your doorstep (think of the baboon from Lion King, or any 'Wise Old Master' stereotype from popular fiction) and work through your issues.

Here's a link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2003/sep/20/booksonhealth.lifeandhealth

It would be wisest, however, to think of any drug you take for this purpose as a tool and not a cure. In a situation of mental paralysis, some drugs - including some psychedelics - can give you the kick in the ass you need... or a much-needed perspective shift. Once that initial momentum wears off, however, you have to keep pedaling all by yourself, like a grown-up.
 
I've ben convinced the past 14 months i've got long term, permanent brain damage from the MDMA.

I don't get it. How would a psychedelic cure this?
Please use your diagnosis from your doc. to get the right treatment.
 
I once took a substantial dose of mushrooms and spent a large portion of the trip watching myself in replays of memories from a third person perspective. It was really weird actually and slightly difficult to fully integrate at the time but i learned more about myself during that experience than any other experience of any sort in my life - and the weirdest part is i didn't stop seeing flashes of my own face in my head for weeks until i had changed the negative behaviors the memories had shown me. No experience i can recall before or since this trip has had as strong of an influence on who I am today.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys, it really means alot.

Anyways, i've tried the whole heatlhy lifestyle, I was doing p90x for 45 days and following the haelthiest eating plan i've ever indulged in. I also got into the best shape of my life, but I still felt horrible.

As for the therapist, i've talked to him, 2-3 psychiatrists and a neurologist. All insist that my brain is perfectly fine, and the neurologist and therapist both disagnosed me with PTSD, not brain damage. But ive read some similar stories to mine with people over in ED and alot of them are going through the same thing from (ab)use.

The thing is, is that I feel competely BURNT out. My mind is EMPTY, and i have no emotions, and ive seemed to lost my higher social understanding and emotional intelligence. This has led me to believe brain damage rather than PTSD, even though I still to this day wake up panicking about what i've done to myself.

Theres been occasions where i've really felt the urge to try MDMA again and make peace with it, it seems like part of me go stuck in that trip, and I need to go back and unleash it and make peace with the drug, but i've VERY scared. I'm terrified of making my condition worse if it actually is related to brain damage from MDMA. Even though I've read studies suggesting my useage as safe (i.e squirell monkeys given 2.5 mg/kg MDMA twice a month for 4 months had no signs of toxicity), and my usage was very similar but I never passed the 1.7mg/kg mark.

I was ingesting un-tested pills that were cheap, never ate more than 2 in a night and only redosed once, and never rolled more than twice in a month seperated by atleast a week or two. Some nights i'd only eat a half. But I did start to experience loss of magic followed by some minor anxiety, but my last two trips were spent focusing on the negative aspects of my private life (i.e. girl troubles). Which always sent me into a bad trip.

But this brain dead feeling makes me think brain damage rather than PTSD, even though i've definately got both, i'm just scared and confused, I really need a way out of this lifestyle.
 
I'm gonna be another to say Mushrooms here, or 4-aco-dmt. Just the right duration, not too harsh on the body (to distract you from the trip), not too much euphoria to distract either (the only euphoria i get from them is usually the mental euphoria when something *clicks* in my head and i resolve a problem thats been on my mind.)
 
Also, I figured I might add that I was basically psychotic until 6 months ago when I rolled again and it rid me of the nightmares and cured my insomnia as well as diminished alot of my anxiety. I dont understand how rolling again would do this, but it was shitty roll becuase I was on SSRIs and not with people whom I liked, the next day I woke up just empty minded and numb, but calmer than before.

It seems like i'm in a defense mode, and my minds shut itself down so I can't process sweet fuck all. I wanted something to open my mind and FORCE it to work again so I can work out some of my problems, which is where a psychedlic would come in handy. But on the other hand im terrified of showing emotions, theres something built into my brain now to retriet any type of connection I can have with another person so I dont get hurt, so I feel like MDMA could be useful in breaking down that barrier. I just wish I knew if what I was experiencing was MDMA related neurotoxicity or PTSD, so I could make the right choice.
 
You didn't reply to my mention of depersonalisation/derealization so I'm assuming you missed or dismissed it. I'm almost completely positive this is what you're experiencing, and although it certainly feels like it (it was one of the scariest experiences of my life when I went through it), it isn't brain damage, and it is reversible :)
 
You didn't reply to my mention of depersonalisation/derealization so I'm assuming you missed or dismissed it. I'm almost completely positive this is what you're experiencing, and although it certainly feels like it (it was one of the scariest experiences of my life when I went through it), it isn't brain damage, and it is reversible :)

Sorry man, there's just so many great replies I couldn't answer them all, don't feel unappreciated though.

I'm aware I might very well have DP, as I fit the symptoms perfectly, disconnected, numb, really stupid (even though i'm doing good in university). I just feel unbelieveably stupid, it's literally like i've lost my ability to have a thought process, if I try to think i just sink back into blankness. I can literally stay home and stare at my ceiling all day.

But either way, its hard to say what it is. My anxiety isnt the type that consists of racing thoughts, its like apressuried feeling in my head that makes my muscles clench and it goes along wiht an uncomfortable BLANK/numb mind. It's like i've lost all the knowledge, wisdom and personal developement that i've constructed on myself throughout my life and i'm just a wlking empty shell with no passion, emotions, thoughts or direction. This makes me completey unhuman to other, I sit in a room with people and i don't FEEL there presence. It's like their just images, with nothing behind them. Basically dicconected sums it up, but this makes me feel like such an asshole adn everything I say sounds so defensive and stern.
But I do pray your right, it would be such a great relief.
 
OP, I strongly believe that your problem is PTSD and not physical damage. I've been where you are, totally emotionless, like nothing matters, out of it, too in your head, etc. For over a year. Those are classic symptoms of PTSD. Numbness. Lack of focus, drive. I can relate a lot to what you say about not feeling people's presences and having a dead-feeling mind.

To be honest, it was a pure MDMA session that snapped me out of it. Not saying I recommend it, though.

Salvia also snaps me out of feeling like this, MDMA does, and mescaline also has a LOT of therapeutic value. Cacti!

And to the person who suggested Iboga: Don't just think twice before you do Iboga. Think 100 times. Iboga is kind of the thing you do when you're at the end of your rope (which the OP may very well be). It's a difficult, "earth-moving" extremely therapeutic and insightful trip that lasts 3 days. This is an experience that requires the highest level of attention to set and especially setting. Iboga is for those willing to get down and do the dirtiest work of their soul. It's not pretty, but it is rewarding.
 
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4-HO-DPT/4-AcO-DPT is (I use the word "is" because they're so similiar I treat them as the same substance) the most introspective psychedelic I've used to date. It's so introspective for me that I don't want to take it in the company of others, I always take it alone. The realizations I've made about my life, about traumas, about hidden things in myself and feelings I've suppressed have been profound. Because it's related to DPT (which would be my second choice for introspectiveness) it's a quite strong "ego killer", much more so than any other 4-subbed tryptamines, mushrooms, LSD or phenethylamines I've ever tried. Still nowhere near DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, so you actually have the time and capacity to really reflect.

4-HO-DPT goes very deep, the feel of 4-HO-DPT is very unique, very spiritual and thought provoking. While many psychedelics give you an urge to explore your surroundings, I don't get that feeling with 4-HO-DPT. I'm more interested in exploring myself. It's not especially euphoric, there is some euphoria but it never gets to the point where you just enjoy the trip for its recreational value. It's not an especially recreational substance. But very unique. Not shroomlike, leaning a bit towards DPT, but still not being like DPT.
 
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You are not a monkey, just stay away from MDMA for a while.

If you have to do a psychedelic of any sort... 4-aco-dipt is my advice :P but as was said, abstaining will help you. I've been in your situation, and what helped me is simply cannabis when I needed *something*, and at other times I DID indeed need a psychedelic experience to help me out BUT keep in mind in these situations I would have not tripped in over a year and once even 2 and usually developed a fear of tripping for a while (until I broke that with a good trip, but this can always repeat).

4-HO-DPT goes very deep, the feel of 4-HO-DPT is very unique, very spiritual and thought provoking. While many psychedelics give you an urge to explore your surroundings, I don't get that feeling with 4-HO-DPT. I'm more interested in exploring myself. They are not especially euphoric, there is some euphoria but it never gets to the point where you just enjoy the trip for its recreational value. It's not an especially recreational substance. But very unique. Not shroomlike, leaning a bit towards DPT, but still not being like DPT.

not to hijack the thread but on this note, I have always heard this was inactive... guess someone found the right dose?
 
not to hijack the thread but on this note, I have always heard this was inactive... guess someone found the right dose?

I'm actually quite surprised still to hear this from so many people. I guess it has to do with Shulgin being unsure of it being active and that the compound is quite rare. Yes, it is very active, my preferred doses are 50-100 mg (with 100 mg resulting in total ego dissolution and mind disintegraton). But it's definately active at 25 mg too (though I wouldn't call it a trip).

You may want to read more about my thoughts about it in The Big and Dandy 4-HO-DPT Thread. I also made a comparison of it vs 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-MET. I've since I wrote in that thread tried DPT too, and I'd say there are certain elements of DPT present.

You may want to check out the 4-AcO-DPT thread too, since the compounds are so similiar, basically 4-AcO just requires a little higher dose and a slower onset (but we're speaking about a difference in minutes, as 4-HO-DPT hits you in a minute insufflated). But qualitatively they are too similiar to notice it otherwise.

The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DPT Thread


Sorry if I went a bit off topic here.
 
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Yo dude.

I've read your post and you've seemed to of answered your own question with the causes of your symptoms. Your brain is a little dam' fried right now, if you've been taking loads of e for a long time it's inevitable. IMO psychedelics should never been approached as a healer, it is only under certain circumstances- (often unplanned) that one has a 'life changing experience'. You said yourself that you are no newbie to these tools so: remember the basics. SET and SETTING.

Your set doesn't sound best place to launch from right now and i predict at best a mediocre, surreal experience and at worse a train-wreck (and your serotonin system- key in psychedelics sounds pretty rinsed). Maybe have a look at what your looking to get from the experience and how else you could achieve it?

Eat loads of fruit, do exercise, get involved in something away from drugs and take a six months head clearer? it's not that long really and your brain will love you, your body will love you and any future experiences will be far better than any you'll have before then.

Look after yourself man and please don't think i'm being patronising- i've just walked a path very similar to the one you've described and thought i'd share some experience.

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Damn all i wrote just disappeared :!

Anyway:

You have PTSD, this must be clear to you (you have been diagnosed by several professionals, and your brain is fine). When this is the case, then an Emphatogen is the way to go. A "real" hallucinogen could really give you a hard time. Maybe even worsen your condition

If you can't get pure MDMA then maybe Methylone is the way to go

When working with theses drugs, then it should not be while out dancing (obviously). Read the link I gave you

There have been so much research done about MDMA and PTSD. It's the right medicine :)
 
I hope your all right.

As for the comment about eating tons of E, I only ate 20 pills that summer thats not THAT many. And I've only rolled once in 14 months, so i've given my serotonin system a great deal of time to recover from depletion, but neurotoxicity is a whole other ball game. If any damage was done I can feel its affects and i'm FAR from recovered.

I'd love to be able to take MDMA again and regain what I lost in my last trip but i'm simply too scared. I just don't know what to do, it's reallyy a gamble. And even a psych right now could also throw me over the edge.. As for taking it easy and abstaining, I went 6 months without smoking weed, and only drank a few times, and ive ben working out for the past 10 months and eating heathly with nothing but minimal results.

I just dont have a clue what to do. Maybe try an MDMA trip with a close friend and pre-load with tons of antioxidants and take some SSRIs after my roll to ensure I don't cause further damage?

Either way, i'm only depressed because I can't socialize anymore. I rally feel that if I could connect with someone again i'd feel much better.

But like I said most of the time I have no anxiety just numb and blank its brutal.

I can't see how MDMA could make my mind work again?
 
OP, I think it's pretty clear here that you haven't done any "damage" to your brain, in the physical sense at least. It's pretty evident that this is all psychological, and like your Dr.'s say, it's most likely Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. You've had a Traumatic experience on "e", and you are now feeling EXTREME stress because of it. I'm actually going through something pretty similar myself right now. I had a couple of bad trips (on mushrooms and lsd) 2 years ago, both within a month of each other, that caused me pretty bad social anxiety and depression, which ultimately led to me being diagnosed with PTSD by my therapist. Like you, I am also interested in "going back" to that psychedelic state to try and work through my issues, but in a different setting (alone, as opposed to being surrounded by friends). I haven't gone through with this yet because I also have the fear of making my condition worse, mainly because my "set" is an anxious and slightly depressed one. I've heard from different people that psychedelics can be helpful, and I've heard that they can make things worse and that I should just abstain from all drug use (which I am currently doing). It sucks not knowing what will help and what will hurt, and it really is a crapshoot when it comes to psych drugs, especially when you you're "launching" from a negative place. But I guess one course of action would be to have something to abort the "e trip" if you do decide to go through with it. Like, have an anti-anxiety med like valium or xanax to bring you down if things get too intense. I know this is what I would do if I was going to go through with my psych exploration. But make sure you only take it if it truly becomes an UNBEARABLE experience, because these types of self-healing trips are most likely going to be difficult ones.
 
I think its not necesarilly brain damage but your brain is just trying to heal itsself of the traumatic event, not to mention the minor abuse of MDMA alone can cause some fuzziness. I have a story similar to yours in some ways. It could help because I had gotten through it relatively okay.

In august I had gone to a music festival and done mdma 3 consecutive nights, on the last night i took MDMA and acid. I had gotten these mdma pills from a fellow festival goer who was camped close by and offered to sell me some pills. Now these pills were huge, at least twice the size of any other pills i had seen (im talking about molly caps not E) and she sepcifically told me not to take ore than one at a time. It was a good thing i listened to her, by the time I had started to feel the acid I couldn't believe how high i was, so much higher than I had ever been before to the point that my CEVs were no longer close eyed.... and when I took the cap (really wasn't thinking at that point I just knew that I would probably get into a bad trip if I didn't get my mind out of its loop) it hit me within 20 minutes and I rolled as hard as I hard rolled for the first time. (ridiculously intense experience that I doubt ill ever be able to recreate ;P) After this festival I had about 3 days to recuperate and then I went to go see deadmau5, in which I had a lot of alcohol, some herbal crap from a local shop that was supposed to act as something like mdma (it only made me want MDMA), and two unknown substances that were sold to me as mdma. The first one was slightly orange and DEFINITELY not mdma but me being in my unsober haze thought "fuck it" and railed some, then I took two caps of real mdma. After the concert I went home and at around 3 in the morning i tried to get to bed. You would think after all that I would practically pass out but no, I couldn't fall asleep all night i stayed awake with my heart pounding, thinking I was going to die, experiencing horrible anxiety and reslessness. My pupils were big until 8 in the morning...which was very strange seeing as the would normally go back to normal within an hour after having come down from REAL mdma. I had to have minor surgery that morning as well...it really wasn't a fun day.

After that day I went to bed at a reasonable hour and woke up the next day feeling horrible, dead on the inside, like I couldn't really understand what people were saying to me. Everything looked as though I was in a dream, i was constantly confused, serious sleeping problems I basically would sleep 4 hours a night for a month straight, demotivated, sluggish, and I had made my social anxiety so much worse. I didn't leave the house in the day time, I basically shut myself off form everything, I came out a couple times to hang out with my friends but when drank a little bit and smoked some weed I felt so lightheaded, and there was this intense pressure in the back of my head. I knew that I had done some serious damage from all that partying. These effects lasted a good two weeks, I also caught the worst cough I had ever had,....idk if its related or not.

So what I tired to do was really not think about it, I started to longboard around A LOT. It was something that made me feel better and it was physical excersize. It got me out of the house and outside in the sun, I got through these effects slowly but they were all gone by the time september hit.

What Im trying to say here with this whole TL;DR comment is that if I were you I would find something like a hobby, something you love doing and get immersed it in, try to forget about the whole fuzziness and try to live your life as normally as possible, be that going out with friends, smoking weed, whatever. Please don't worry! THIS WILL GO AWAY, you just need patience. If you convince yourself it wont go away then it wont. A lot of this is all just in your head, in the way you see things. Maybe get some perspective?

And if you're looking for a drug to try and help I'd def go with mushrooms, never do I feel as clear and comfortable with my life as I do after taking mushrooms, even if the trip is a hard one I accept it later on and realize a lot of things about myself.
 
I hope it's clear for you, that your brain is OK. But your fear of MDMA will possibly ruin your session completely, which is very unfortunate. Could you perhaps talk to your therapist about your fear of the compound MDMA? And by that, learn that it won't harm you?... I just don't see psychs to be the answer here

I can't see how MDMA could make my mind work again?

You are numb. MDMA will flood you with emotions. It will break the barrier which you have put up round yourself (that is how I see/feel it, I'm sure there is a more advanced explanation)
I read somewhere that there is alot of amp in e-pills, and i can't help but think that it could ruin your session also... Therefore I think you might be better of using Methylone instead. Bought from a trustworthy supplier. I can't give you directions in how to find suppliers, but google it. The info. is out there
 
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