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A thought and attempt for debate on the rise of dubstep...

Thing is, bad is also good. Consider this, in genetics, mutations happen all the time. Most of these are useless or deadly. However, more combinations must be tried to find the one mutation that creates and advantage. Same goes for music. You gotta slog through the shit to get to the good stuff. Also, don't forget its a question of taste. Who says your taste is "better" than anyone elses?
 
Hardcoreprawn said:
Also, don't forget its a question of taste. Who says your taste is "better" than anyone elses?
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I do. ;)

You're quite right about the subjectivity of it all, though I'm sure (to use the most absurd example) that you'd have to be pretty perverse to think Shakin' Stevens was better than Elvis Presley. Many people evidently think that dubstep has entered its Shakin' Stevens phase if you get what I mean.
 
Cornishman said:
Isn't there some sort of scientific proof that there's only x amount of tunes/melodies/rhythms to go around?
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Perhaps. But there is also only 4 molecules making up life as we know it (Argenine, Tyrosine, Gyanine and Cytosine.....if you dont count Uracil). Look at the amount of variation that created! Recombination is a fantastic tool for evolution, musically or otherwise.
 
and fat boy slim killed house and breaks. get over it. the world moves on to something new, if it didnt, you'd have have had dubstep in any form. go get creative and make something instead of criticising.
 
I thought Ketamine played a significant role in the growth of dubstep?

Anecdotally I used to really dislike Dubstep, but have heard a few fairly good dubstep tunes recently. Prefer breakbeat though.
 
I completely disagree, dubstep emerged globally a few years ago, back in 2009/10 I was working in Beirut and there were a ton of dubstep nights and they definately weren't fueled by either drone or ket, at the same time one of my mates was living in Bangkok and from his facebook page I saw he was going to a lot of dubstep parties in Thailand and Cambodia.

I think it's just a music trend that orginated from England but it's not really strictly related to any substance in particular, I mean it's not like Dutch trance and pills in the 90s.

That's my worthless opinion btw
 
Danny Weed said:
Dubstep today isnt even proper dubstep, I despise what it has became. 6 years ago it was much much better music. I partly blame the americans with awful people like Skrillex pumping out shite.
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dub step brek core , al, that maybe i'm to old to appreciate or maybe i just hate Genres

imo there is good music n bad.

Yeah skrillex are wak mind me n you got similar taste n views on music init Danny
 
Fuck being cool (I'm certainly not).
I'm completely detached from the rest of the "scene" and kind of glad I am.
So many producers got stuck into the feeling that they needed to adear to a certain structure.
North America has seen this taken to another level (Rusko went over there and is a fuckin rockstar 8( ).

Anyway, I'm talking bollocks. I just like music. Genres are irrelevent:
There's music you understand, music you don't, music that moves you, music that doesn't... Then there's the chart that isn't really music, but cash cow crop.
 
Sometimes chart music (by its ever-shifting nature) can be pretty innovative I find. All too often it's just sanitised rubbish though, you're right.
 
I've given dubstep far more thought than I probably should have. I used to love it when it was still dubstep: Deep, creative and slow. Rusko released a tune called "2 N A Q" this tune completely changed the dubstep sound. It was fast and a bit crazy sounding compared to most tunes of the time and it went off big time. The problem has been that this sound has taken over dubstep rather than acquire its own sub-genre. We should seperate filthstep and actual dubstep and we won't have this rubbish ruining a lovely genre any further.
 
effie said:
Haha I agree, plus it's seen as underground and cool for all the Uni kiddies yet is a lot more accessible that, say, gabba or breakcore.

I'm so selective about my dubstep. Broken Note and Excision have got it right IMO.
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True that, breakcore artists make some gems though when they decide to give dubstep a swirl :)...

As far as "actual" dubstep goes... Could any UK people tell me if digital mystikz is still alive and kicking? Ofcourse this is opinion/subjective/taste but I was so amazed at the sounds they were pumping a few years ago!

Dubstep took over Belgium, loads of artists take the ferry every weekend to fuel the craze here haha

Oh well I don't mind, some is good, some is bad.
 
DS_ said:
I've given dubstep far more thought than I probably should have. I used to love it when it was still dubstep: Deep, creative and slow. Rusko released a tune called "2 N A Q" this tune completely changed the dubstep sound. It was fast and a bit crazy sounding compared to most tunes of the time and it went off big time. The problem has been that this sound has taken over dubstep rather than acquire its own sub-genre. We should seperate filthstep and actual dubstep and we won't have this rubbish ruining a lovely genre any further.
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Completely agree but like it or not dubstep is now new dubstep. I was talking to some 19 year olds the other week an was talking about the dubstep I loved and knew and they said, "Oh you like old school dubstep" :p So I think it's already being separated by the wub wub heads.

But the point when rusko released 2 N A Q and skream and benga were getting experimental was when mephdrone started sinking its claws in. I remember a lot of dubstep heads at the time were shunning rusko with him making this crazy bassy party style music. I also remember when I started hearing this I was thinking how shit the drugs situation was with mdma drying up and pipz flooding the market. Then at least one person came up to you and told you about mephedrone and then you end up going places where people like to take mephedrone. For bass heads dubstep nights was the place to go for a while as garage was dead, breakbeat died down and drum and bass was getting pretty stale in the mainstream scene (gabba and breakcore etc just isn't accessible enough). Dubstep started to grow as people wanting bass heavy music with a fresh spin and as it happened the majority enjoyed wub wubs. Also everyone's demand for mephedrone exploded. Wub wub's are well fun on mephedrone. So the more mephedrone people were taking the more dubstep was being produced to cater for the demand of dubstep nights. There was also a change in how other genre's sounded. Everything got dirtier for a while. Also because the scene is being made by people literally producing in their bedrooms (on the most part) it is people making music that they'd love to dance to in a club (As with all dance music really). A lot of these people producing as well would have some experience of going to a club and getting trollied on x drug or drink so the music reflects on it. Do you know anyone who's into stuff like breakcore that has never drunk or taken drugs before? Probably not! =D In fact who do you know that's into breakcore that isn't into experimenting with lots of different drugs as opposed to just having a drug once in a while to boost a night out. The music reflects so much on what drugs get taken to it.

I don't understand how such a rapid change in genre could be made without some kind of catalyst. People were on different drugs during the 'old' dubstep era, then the drugs changed and the music changed as fast as each other. I also don't get how it became so popular so quickly without a catalyst because it wasn't really an accessible sound for a mainstream scene but EVERYONE who had access to it (young club goers and students originally) loved it all of a sudden.
 
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rakketakke said:
True that, breakcore artists make some gems though when they decide to give dubstep a swirl :)...

As far as "actual" dubstep goes... Could any UK people tell me if digital mystikz is still alive and kicking? Ofcourse this is opinion/subjective/taste but I was so amazed at the sounds they were pumping a few years ago!

Dubstep took over Belgium, loads of artists take the ferry every weekend to fuel the craze here haha

Oh well I don't mind, some is good, some is bad.
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Digital Mystikz are still alive and kicking... Still huge on the underground circuit. And I know beligums crazy for dubstep! It's mental how big the scene is over there. Everytime i'm there it's everywhere. Although the scene's are very similar to how they are in the uk I find. I go to dour festival every year because the lineups are just so meaty =D.
 
Too stoned to reply fully but YES. Dubstep is from my home town and it was a hell of a lot different from what's now globally banded as "dubstep".

Big apple records was one of my go to shops along with swag records and wax records run by the promoters of future dance for dnb and other stuff.

Three influential record stores within a 5 minuets walk.
 
Suchthefool said:
Also because the scene is being made by people literally producing in their bedrooms (on the most part) it is people making music that they'd love to dance to in a club (As with all dance music really).
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Bedroom production is nothing new, people have been doing that since the early 90s. People making dance music that they would love to dance to? As opposed to what? :D

I get what you are saying, the drug intake of the producers has to have some kind of effect on the sound of the music. I think it's more to do with someone stumbling upon a formula for making popular tunes. Dubstep had been growing at a certain rate up until the big wobbly bass driven wub wub tunes started to appear then it really took off. A lot of producers wanted in on that action. It's not uncommon for producers to change their style to go after popularity, just look at chase&status.

I still like to listen to a bit of dubstep every now and again but the wub wub driven bassy noise competition has put me off the genre quite a lot. It's started to sound a little stale to me. The genre will fragment at some stage and there will probably be a lot more innovative sub-genre styles emerge from it which is quite exciting.
 
Danny Weed said:
Dubstep today isnt even proper dubstep, I despise what it has became. 6 years ago it was much much better music. I partly blame the americans with awful people like Skrillex pumping out shite.
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deffo! still a lot of post dub stuff getting made that I really like though, pangea pearsoun sound etc. hessle audio and hotflush are quality labels.
 
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