How to help my friend go deeper with acid?

[Folley]

So Ive done acid with him a few times now and to him its just a drug. Some crazy shit you can do whenever to get fucked up

more recently, hes started to learn about the real psychedelic experience, and he wants to get the full thing. He doesnt understand psycs at all though, he really wants to try ayahuacsa because its "some crazy shit"... I try to explain these kinds of things to him, but he doesnt really seem to listen or understand

so how can I help him go deeper with psychedelics? Or does he need to learn on his own?

 

[Aether]

Take more, and do it in an empty, featureless room.
I find a strobe light can take an experience to a whole new level.

 

[Folley]

More deff is not needed.

Its like he has the tools at his disposal, but just doesnt know how to use them.
Im not looking for more visuals, hes gotten that. I want him to experience the mind opening powers of LSD

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

more recently, hes started to learn about the real psychedelic experience, and he wants to get the full thing.

He doesnt understand psycs at all though, he really wants to try ayahuacsa because its "some crazy shit"

These seem to imply contradictory attitudes. When you say he's started to learn about the 'real' psychedelic experience (certainly his experiences are real and with psychedelics), do you mean a more mystical, introspective, world changing type experience? Because going in expecting these things to happen to you won't make them occur, these chemicals are only bringing out what's inside of you already, and if he's not the kind of person inclined towards these things, I wouldn't get my hopes up that they will occur. Of course a particularly intense experience might jostle him out of his views (or turn'em off psychs entirely), but taking the risks into calculation, is that something he really wants/needs?

I do not think aya is the way to go for this, it's some pretty serious shit, shrooms can make a shorter, more manageable experience, which would be a boon if his reckless attitude comes back to bite him in the ass, plus you don't have to worry about MAOI interaction issues. What strength acid experiences have you had together, has he tried the drug yet by himself (group tripping more often than not leads to a more goofy-fun type experience IME, the solo experience lends itself better to introspection)? If he wants to go at it solo, be around or easily contactable to help him out if he gets into a bad place.

 

[Folley]

By learning about the psychedelic experience, I mean on Wensday he talked to his guitar instructor who is a Shaman and takes trips to do Aya every year, and he pretty much JUST learned that you can do these kinds of things...
I only mentioned his want to try ayahuacsa to show how little he knows, and how reckless he can be

hes done acid about 4 times now, 1 drop of very potent liquid his first time, and the others have all been 2 at first, with another hit about an hour later. Obviously I cant tell the exact strength of the acid, but there is no way its less than 75mcgs, if I had to guess it would be about 125 or so. This is seriously some of the best shit Ive ever had

He did shrooms once on his own, and didnt get anything more out of it. He doesnt like doing things by himself, so we havent really tried that much.

without being TOO racist though lol, he is black, and not exactly the tastiest piece of chicken in the bucket... which is why I want to give him that first push. Last time we did things a bit differently, and he said he had a amazing visual trip that he never had before, and thats what Im trying to do here

and again, I know he doesnt need a bigger dose, in fact last time we probably did a little too much lol



we are doing acid and mushrooms on Halloween, Im not really expecting to go deep then because Halloween is more of a time to get fucked up and have a great time, but perhaps this or another time the combo could help him get there.

 

[lightitup]

I would let him do it. Maybe it will teach him something. You can't regulate others lives no matter how hard you try, and if he wants to go deeper he will go deeper. Just try and help show him maybe it isn't the best idea, but that you will help watch over him if he ends up doing it ever.

I think that two hits of acid isn't THAT much either if someone ends up loving the places psychedelics take you, even if it is great stuff. It isn't surprising he wants to dive deeper after only 4 trips, a lot of people who discover what a real trip is do. Why do you say he doesn't need a bigger dose if he is loving it, and wanting to experience a very high dose of something like ayahuasca? Maybe I missed something here, but if he is a nice dude with good intentions there is nothing wrong with seeing how far the rabbit hole goes, in my opinion.

Be safe, and have a great time!

 

[Machete]

I find a strobe light can take an experience to a whole new level.

Yeah, the floor, whilst having a grand mal. For me anyway.

 

[Folley]

I would let him do it. Maybe it will teach him something. You can't regulate others lives no matter how hard you try, and if he wants to go deeper he will go deeper. Just try and help show him maybe it isn't the best idea, but that you will help watch over him if he ends up doing it ever.

I think that two hits of acid isn't THAT much either if someone ends up loving the places psychedelics take you, even if it is great stuff. It isn't surprising he wants to dive deeper after only 4 trips, a lot of people who discover what a real trip is do. Why do you say he doesn't need a bigger dose if he is loving it, and wanting to experience a very high dose of something like ayahuasca? Maybe I missed something here, but if he is a nice dude with good intentions there is nothing wrong with seeing how far the rabbit hole goes, in my opinion.

Be safe, and have a great time!

Lol Im not "letting" him do it, he doesnt even like to smoke weed alone. But now it seems he cant come for Halloween, so his next trip will be alone. Either that or a low dose trip during his next guitar lesson with his "shaman" instructor who got him interested in it.

I think a good solid dose by himself is the best choice, the only problem would be that he would probably have to do it after his parents were asleep up in his room, but I guess that just gives him more times to think lol


just to be clear, Im looking for tips or tricks or advice that people have to get away from the party drug side of psychs, and into the more intellectual and meaningful side

 

[ColtDan]

sounds like psychedelics aren't for him

 

[ech0s85]

^yeah i agree.

maybe try to get him to meditate although sounds like thats not likely.

 

[rm-rf]

Take more, and do it in an empty, featureless room.
I find a strobe light can take an experience to a whole new level.

doesnt have to be empty or featureless, but this is on the right track.

move into a low light room, thats extremely comfortable, but isnt very visually stimulating. put on some softer, more natural music - like ambient music with sounds of animals or rivers or something, but with a fair amount of lower frequencies (Bass). again - nothing too stimulating, but just so something is there.

then do deep breathing exercises for an hour or so. tell your friend that if he successfully sits quiet and still long enough, performing breathing exercises, he will really raise the potential for a true transcendental experience on acid. if you dont know some good breathing exercises, look up a basic "3 locks technique" or some other breathing exercises on youtube. practice them for 5 mins while sober.

he might not dig the idea at first, but you gotta sell it to him. ive done this with many people, anyone with the willpower to sit quietly and do it has been changed immediately from a mere thrill-seeker to a much deeper, passionate person towards psychedelic experiences. besides, teh shit youll see on the back of you eyelids beats the pants off of anything youll see with your eyes open (and if you take it far enough, you wont know the difference between eyes open or eyes closed).

there are definite, scientifically quantifiable, cognitive effects from meditation exercises. doing these while tripping is mindblowing. im a very experienced tripper, and i never take psychedelics purely recreationally anymore. of course there is a recreational aspect, but i do it mainly to just practice breathing and letting my mind go. i can turn 1 single hit into the strength of 3-4 hits this way. 2 hits i can make as strong as 5-7 hits, except when i cease breathing exercise and favor trivial external stimulation, it goes back to being like 1 hit. you have be willing to let the mind go. the hallucinations and visions you will have are mindblowing. ive had full on out of body experiences in the woods in central park several times doing this, literally feeling my soul morph into the plants and streams and trees around me, again, on just 1 hit.

breathing exercises can make you "trip out" a bit on their own. while tripping, its a very powerful and extremely rewarding experience, and can show anyone disciplined enough that psychedelics have far greater value than just recreational potential.


some active breathing techniques:
i believe the name of this one is "celestial tour" and was developed by Daoists around 2000 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2xwi9vRAEQ

another variation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0o-9qGWkz0&feature=relmfu

throat lock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oOUJMvnwr8 variation of the "3 locks" technique. (this is actually one so powerful you can use it to stop bladed weapons from piercing ur throat)

basic breathing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUF8tNJ-Z6s

theres hundres of exercises from hindu, daoist, buddhist, etc disciplines. just look them up and learn them. ones u can do while walking are really awesome when outside, ones u do while seated are handy for inside. im at a point where i couldnt possibly imagine doing acid without doing exercises like this, its much more boring otherwise.

 

[LSDMT-25]

yea only 4 trips with only a couple hits of some alright cid isnt much. you should just give it time. also i suggest increasing the dosage add a hit each trip. and take it all at once. and as others hhave said set and setting are very important or the kind of trip you want for your friend.
got a problem?, increase dosage. although not for everyone

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

This is something he's going to have to do on his own.

I remember a friend of mine thought that mushrooms were like booze or herb and that you could drive on them, he never did that or took a large dose of them but I told him how they're not like that at all.

 

[Folley]

This is something he's going to have to do on his own.

I remember a friend of mine thought that mushrooms were like booze or herb and that you could drive on them, he never did that or took a large dose of them but I told him how they're not like that at all.

He has driven on acid...

Im trying to be careful with this L, because so far he has done 3 and had an intense experience, but still didnt get everything he expected. 5 hits of this was too intense for me even when i had a bit of a tolerance, and scared me into respecting psychs, Id rather not do that to him

I think a mild dose shroom and acid combo will be the best for this, because he hasnt tried the combo yet. I will deff look into those breathing techniques, I guess you dont have to be hindu or whatever to breath like them haha

a new mind state, in a new setting, with those breathing exercises should do the trick, if that doesnt nothing will

 

[Mailmonkey]

just to be clear, Im looking for tips or tricks or advice that people have to get away from the party drug side of psychs, and into the more intellectual and meaningful side

Don't be such a pretentious pseud. People do all manner of substances for all manner of *personal* reasons.

he's probably *enjoying* himself, while your sat there smug and intellectual on your inner journies of enlightenment...let him do drugs how he wants and when and why on his own terms, you can bore him to tears with your insights when you've both come back down again.

 

[Mailmonkey]

without being TOO racist though lol, he is black, and not exactly the tastiest piece of chicken in the bucket... which is why I want to give him that first push. Last time we did things a bit differently, and he said he had a amazing visual trip that he never had before, and thats what Im trying to do here

wtf!! 8)

 

[cryptix420]

come on guys, we all know black people have a smaller, less trippy 5-ht network. This is why your friend cannot 'go deep'. Your only option now would be to push him into a swimming pool while tripping. But, again, people of color tend to fear the water, so this, coupled with the possibility of drowning, could result in a bad trip.




/s

 

[Folley]

Don't be such a pretentious pseud. People do all manner of substances for all manner of *personal* reasons.

he's probably *enjoying* himself, while your sat there smug and intellectual on your inner journies of enlightenment...let him do drugs how he wants and when and why on his own terms, you can bore him to tears with your insights when you've both come back down again.

Where the hell are you getting this from?

more recently, hes started to learn about the real psychedelic experience, and he wants to get the full thing.

HE is the one that came to me, tell me about all this crazy shit he learned, how he was talking to his teacher and he just said something completely deep to my friend that blew his mind. Things like that, I wasnt there so I wouldnt know.

He obviously want to go to the deeper side of psychs is he wants to try something like ayahuasca. I just want him to understand you dont need crazy powerful psychs to do that, and that you can do more than just get high off of acid.

Your only option now would be to push him into a swimming pool while tripping. But, again, people of color tend to fear the water, so this, coupled with the possibility of drowning, could result in a bad trip.

lol god damn I love background racism

 

[cryptix420]

why don't you and your friend watch terence mckenna's 3 part series on youtube, 'how to take psychedelics' I know i got a lot of good pointers from it.

 

[Mailmonkey]

I used to love going to hot sweaty parties in tiny rooms with pounding soundsystems and lots of other trippers. We all "go deeper* in our own ways.

Your idea of what he should be experiencing may be very different from his.

If I was him I'd be looking for a more fun trip partner, but it's all personal innit?

Why don't you show him this thread? He can see what his good friend's intentions are