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Codeine and CWE Megathread - The long awaited!

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lovepsychadelics said:
I thought I'd add a brief outline on how I may perform a CWE. I usually get the panadine xtra 15mg codeine and some of the chemist own 10mg codeine grind into a find powder using a mortar. Paracetamol is soluable approx 1.4 g to 100ml H2O at 20 degrees c. I recomend a two step filtration technique as outlined in the original post by Mr Blonde. Once my CWE is cooled in fridge I filter through some gauze. Once the first filtration is complete I use good quality lab paper to perform the second filtration after cooling the CWE again. I usually take 25-50 mg phenergan before dosing on the CWE for the "itch factor". Occasionally I may evaporate the CWE in a evaporating basin and consume but the binders play havoc with this and I can never be bothered to go to the lengthy steps needed to remove them. I do this (CWE) only because I have some very bad neck/shoulder and back pain, I wont go into details.
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Have you ever dried and weighed the Codeine then the dried ibu/paracetamol to work out exactly how much codeine is coming through? I know Phase has been asking us on here to do this for years but no one has ever stepped up.
 
I have dried and measured my very 1st extract and a few subsequently, this was to ensure I had removed the max of the paracetamol possible. I extracted 20 x 30/500 codeine/acetaminophen and from memory the dried product weighed about 1.1 grams this was my first extract so by now It's less. I think I ended up with 700 odd mgs, again from memory, last time I bothered. The main purpose behind drying and weighing it was to ensure I was not getting a heap of paracetamol in my extract. Use gauze to filter the majority of insoluable pill material then the scientific filters. Perform this 2 stage filtering process to remove maximum acetaminophen/paracetamol and tablet filler from your solvent (h2O) I never have used the ibruprofen tablets in this process. Please be careful people when doing this process to ensure the maximum amount of paracetamol/acetaminophen or ibruprofen is removed. Panadol and brufen may be available in the supermarket, however these two drugs account for more overdoses than any other substance known to man and most people don't realise they can and will kill you in the most horrible manner. Paracetamol overdose will, unless treated with parvolex within 8 hrs of ingestion, cause your liver to become necrotic, your kidneys will fail and your body fills with toxins it can no longer routinely eliminate.
Ibruprofen will cause you to bleed (eyes, nose, ears etc.) and cause your kidneys to fail and is also hepatotoxic. Both of these chemicals are highly insoluable with H2o. I also use distilled water for my CWE as this is less likely to carry either of these two substances than tap water. Stay safe and you can enjoy the occasional CWE.
 
Phenergan works well for me. You can use loritadine (Claratyne) or other similar antihistamines also shorter acting antihistamines can work it's all about what works for each individual. I get the itches for hours (try laying awake all night cause you can't stop scratching and you took the CWE to help get some sleep due to pain) without phenergan/antihistamine. I find it works better for me than other antihistamines.
 
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Verybuffed said:
Have you ever dried and weighed the Codeine then the dried ibu/paracetamol to work out exactly how much codeine is coming through? I know Phase has been asking us on here to do this for years but no one has ever stepped up.
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I have attempted it a few times but when I was evaporating it, it all went mouldy.
 
^ What technique were you using to evaporate? If I get the time to do it properly and quickly I might give it a shot.

lovepsychadelics said:
Phenergan works well for me. You can use loritadine (Claratyne) or other similar shorter acting antihistamines it's all about what works for each individual. I get the itches for hours (try laying awake all night cause you can't stop scratching and you took the CWE to help get some sleep due to pain) without phenergan/antihistamine. I find it works better for me than other antihistamines.
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Well, the active metabolite of loratadine, desloratadine, has a half-life of around 28 hours which is about 10 hours longer then promethazine (Phenergan). It's just that promethazine is a lot stronger and sedating, whereas for most people loratadine is not sedating at all. For some reason, there are a few people who find that they get drowsy taking second generation antihistamines (e.g. Telfast, Claratyne and Zyrtec which has the highest incidence of sedation out of all of them probably).
 
Absolutely Telfast makes me sleepy. Well I at least sleep well and feel groggy (sometimes) in the morning. Nothing like restavit though.
 
Ok so this is the result of evaporating a CWE using around 36-40 nurofen plus and about 4 panadeine extra in the mix.

It weighs 1.56 grams, it's a little sticky to the touch although I'm sure it's dry.

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Is that the weight of the ball or of the entire dish after you had tare'd out the original weight of the dish?
 
weight of the ball, Which i've now pressed into a block (scraped a little more before this.. it's now 1.60 grams)

So there is roughly 1 gram of ibuprofen there and 400mg of codeine, give or take. maybe a little paracetemol. I'm not the most patient with CWE's.

The brown is hash, because I recently pressed some of the shit in my grinder and I was too lazy to clean the pollen press.

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There could also be binders and fillers in there; getting the CMI for the product you used will disclose these inactives, and you can then estimate their solubility and likelihood of ending up in the final product.

Sustanon said:
I just used a fan on a tray, I know there might be better ways but this seemed the simplest.
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I was thinking of using either a combination of a fan and a low temp, open oven or going for a fume hood evaporation in order to keep moisture and hence mold and the like out of it.
 
Ah, not that keen anyway. :) I'd probably just take 3/4 of it and judge on how much more I need.
 
^ After I've woken up a little bit I might add some information regarding the inactive products to this thread later on. The information isn't too hard to obtain... just... not... enough... coffee... ;)
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ After I've woken up a little bit I might add some information regarding the inactive products to this thread later on. The information isn't too hard to obtain... just... not... enough... coffee... ;)
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I Hear you. Although it is past noon, shouldn't you be well awake by now ;)?
 
Mr Blonde said:
It's Saturday, and last night was a MXE dream that I don't have many memories of ha ha... let me make a couple of cups and get into it. :)
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Ah, have definitely been there. Hope you had a good time :).

Not sure If i should give the codeine a go tonight, I threw it into caps (fit into 3.5 size 0 caps). If anyone has any idea how i can change it's consistency into that of a powder i'd love to know. :) It is more of a semi solid paste.
 
Mr Blonde said:
There could also be binders and fillers in there; getting the CMI for the product you used will disclose these inactives, and you can then estimate their solubility and likelihood of ending up in the final product.



I was thinking of using either a combination of a fan and a low temp, open oven or going for a fume hood evaporation in order to keep moisture and hence mold and the like out of it.
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Gotta be careful as heat can and will decrease the potency of the codeine. Im not exactly sure hwo much but from what i can recall it was quite low thats the main reason why I didnt go ahead with that tek. Tbh id rather do a A/B extraction on it but some chems are hard/suss to get.

Just curious Stato what method did u use to evaporate? and also other details like how long it took u etc etc
 
Hey Stato, if I was you I would not keep that evapped CWE around for too long, I have heard of CWE's going off in solution after a day or two and if that ball has moisture in it then it could also go off pretty quick.
 
does anyone know why codeine products in new zealand are about 3 times the price of codeine products in australia?

eeek is this price question allowed?
 
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