Etizolam withdrawal. Different than benzos by being a thienodiazepine?

[sirbishop]

I'm wondering if anyone has much experience with etizolam or a ~week long benzo binge at what dose and if there were any withdrawal symptoms in that amount of time...

I know this question can only be answered subjectively but I just want to know if I need to "prepare" for any type of withdrawal symptoms.

The week went like this:

Sun Night: Pint of vodka

Mon: 3 Four Lokos (12% alc 24oz cans) + 10mg etizolam

Tue: Same as Mon

Wed: Same as above

Thur: No alcohol and 2mg of etizolam

Fri: Maybe 100ml of vodka and 2mg etizolam.

Slept like shit and woke up in a ridiculous sweat. Not sure if I'm convincing myself into having withdrawals or if I'm experiencing minor ones.

Below was taken from wiki for what that's worth:

According to the Italian P.I. sheet etizolam belongs to a new class of diazepines, thienotriazolodiazepines. This new class is easily oxidized, rapidly metabolized, and has a lower risk of accumulation, even after prolonged treatment

 

[BIGsherm7272]

No you are not going to have withdrawals from only taking etizolam for 3 days, you could just be experiencing a mild hangover from the alcohol, which is a withdrawal itself.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

I would be more concerned about your alcohol intake. You are what I like to call a "Guzzler." You drink purely to get wasted. That in itself is going to make you feel like udder shit until you drink again.

 

[effie]

^ I don't believe it is not known if etizolam will have exactly the same pattern of dependence and withdrawal as the classic benzodiazepines, but it would seem unlikely that you would have problems after 5 days. However, Jay is right, that is a lot of alcohol to have had - you're going to have a hefty hangover at the very least and if you usually drink daily you could well be experiencing alcohol withdrawal now. Like benzo withdrawal, this is very unpleasant and can be dangerous (and even fatal) so if you are concerned, I would head straight to your nearest A+E/ER.

Drinking that much alcohol in a week is not good for your liver at all - this isn't something you want to be doing regularly, and make sure you give your liver a good chance to recover after that binge! If you do drink this much regularly, it might be worth getting some liver function tests done at the doctors to check things over.

Hope you feel better soon - don't hesitate to get some help if things get worse and you feel like you are in withdrawal.

 

[Hajime]

I was reading that etizolam doesnt stay in your blood as long as other benzos, so phsyical dependence is prob less of a risk.... Ive never taken it before but Im interested in anyone elses comments...

EDIT: also most source dont recommend taking more than 1mg in a single dose... dunno how valid that is

 

[effie]

1mg roughly = 10mg diazepam as far as I am aware..

edit: the benzo conversion table in my signature agrees!

Wikipedia tells me the half life of etizolam is 6 hours.. plenty of things that produce physical dependence have similar half-lives.. it depends on how frequently you take it I guess.

 

[sekio]

Etizolam is cross tolerant with benzodiazepines. Don't let the name of the chemical class fool you.

 

[sirbishop]

Thank you all for your replies. I agree about my alcohol consumption. My belief is I took so much etizolam that I was in a benzo black out for 3 days making very poor decisions regarding alcohol. I decided to smoke a cigarette, and I never smoke cigarettes. Without the etizolam lowering my inhibitions I don't think I would have drank that much. I need to be more responsible or just stop my 'use' completely...

 

[Pegasus]

I think etizolam is very similar to benzodiazepines outside of the classification. I think in terms of effects, it is probably more closely related to certain benzos than some distant relatives within the class are to each other.

 

[lorne667]

I'm wondering if anyone has much experience with etizolam or a ~week long benzo binge at what dose and if there were any withdrawal symptoms in that amount of time...

I know this question can only be answered subjectively but I just want to know if I need to "prepare" for any type of withdrawal symptoms.

The week went like this:

Sun Night: Pint of vodka

Mon: 3 Four Lokos (12% alc 24oz cans) + 10mg etizolam

Tue: Same as Mon

Wed: Same as above

Thur: No alcohol and 2mg of etizolam

Fri: Maybe 100ml of vodka and 2mg etizolam.

Slept like shit and woke up in a ridiculous sweat. Not sure if I'm convincing myself into having withdrawals or if I'm experiencing minor ones.

Below was taken from wiki for what that's worth:

According to the Italian P.I. sheet etizolam belongs to a new class of diazepines, thienotriazolodiazepines. This new class is easily oxidized, rapidly metabolized, and has a lower risk of accumulation, even after prolonged treatment

Does everyone really think that he was drinking too much??? I quit drinking a long time ago, but when I did, "a pint" of vodka(which is actually 375ml, IDK why they are called pints) barely buzzed me. Of course, I was known among the community for a natural tolerance that was, well, unnecessary. Still, didn't seem like that much alcohol to me, though I can tell you from experience drinking everyday is never good.

 

[effie]

Thank you all for your replies. I agree about my alcohol consumption. My belief is I took so much etizolam that I was in a benzo black out for 3 days making very poor decisions regarding alcohol. I decided to smoke a cigarette, and I never smoke cigarettes. Without the etizolam lowering my inhibitions I don't think I would have drank that much. I need to be more responsible or just stop my 'use' completely...

That's the problem with benzos, especially combined with alcohol - they lower your inhibitions and generally make you reckless. I'm sure most of us have a story of something ridiculous we did on this combination.. it's good that you have spotted the pattern though. One or the other on their own can make people do daft things sometimes, but together then can lead to all sorts of bad things!!

Good luck on cutting down/stopping

Does everyone really think that he was drinking too much??? I quit drinking a long time ago, but when I did, "a pint" of vodka(which is actually 375ml, IDK why they are called pints) barely buzzed me. Of course, I was known among the community for a natural tolerance that was, well, unnecessary. Still, didn't seem like that much alcohol to me, though I can tell you from experience drinking everyday is never good.

Hah well for a University student here that would probably be pretty standard. Doesn't mean it is a safe level of consumption, however. There is some controversy over the recommended safe amount of alcohol - partly because it varies a lot from person to person - but in general, daily drinking is bad as it is like a sustained attack on your liver, and binge drinking is bad as it overwhelmes your liver's capacity to process the alcohol.

A pint is more like 550ml, isn't it?

 

[brimz]

Those benzo charts are really not much cop at all , even the ones in the BNF, IME they are in no way a reliable gauge.
This is my opinion & experience my Doc whos an addiction specialist rekons their a lottery as well.
pint is 568ml

 

[sirbishop]

I'm in the US and they call 375ml of hard liquors "Pints." I should have been more specific there....but yea, I was drinking 375ml.

 

[Mugz]

Those benzo charts are really not much cop at all , even the ones in the BNF, IME they are in no way a reliable gauge.
This is my opinion & experience my Doc whos an addiction specialist rekons their a lottery as well.
pint is 568ml

That's because the charts can't quantitatively compare the difference between the hypnotics and the anxiolytics. The charts are just based on potency per mg and the one in my sig is pretty well made from information gathered from various sources by kokaino.

There are just some benzos that you can't compare with each other with numbers and charts, it is like trying to compare apples and oranges sometimes.

The charts are good for helping find a suitable dose of diazepam to switch to to start your taper though, or finding out roughly what would be a good dose of a new benzos that you haven't tried but you know a certain dose of a benzo you have tried is.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

This illustrates a problem... If you were that tolerant, you were clearly a alcoholic.

Natural tolerance is clearly not in this picture. That is an excuse.

Blue book sir... Blue book.

 

[Fixed5217]

This illustrates a problem... If you were that tolerant, you were clearly a alcoholic.

Natural tolerance is clearly not in this picture. That is an excuse.

Blue book sir... Blue book.

don't most alcoholics have innate tolerance? Though if you are tolerant you are quite likely an alcoholic.

I am very much an alcoholic having both parents under the designation. The second time I drank I put down twenty shots, having a rather fast metabolism doesn't exactly help either

 

[RobotRipping]

yep good thread; still does't solve the mystery of the elusive etizolam w/d would be prevalent across a wider group of a wider group of people. Or what the effects may be; like (xanax, short and hard hitting), I know I've heard enough of etizolam butmany clonazepam withdrawal story that haunts me.

Can't say the alcohol idea was the best but you need that gaba or your brain will freak out, possibly fishing out on a floor with no help, among numerous other hazards.

That said, alcohol is only a short term fix; you either need to go get more benzos and repe this roller-coaster ride of insane ups and downs but in the end was it worth it for the benzo hell? or should i have gone with something more euphoric. that's my question sorry im rambling im speeding good but

Read this part for important info
You aren't currently addicted to benzos and presumably alcohol as well, right? So keep it that way and you can be taking benzos and getting shitfaced when you're old and have more time. Also try some less harmful drugs, there is cannabis if you don' mind it, which are quite safe. Benzos and alcohol are a dark scary road.

 

[RobotRipping]

don't most alcoholics have innate tolerance? Though if you are tolerant you are quite likely an alcoholic.

I am very much an alcoholic having both parents under the designation. The second time I drank I put down twenty shots, having a rather fast metabolism doesn't exactly help either

Some do to a certain degree but if alcohol didn't make them feel god they would probably switch to benzos/opiates/something better. I don't get why people like alcohol so much, sure it's euphoria but the hang overs, blackouts, danger, cance it's one of the least safe recreational drugs out there.

and yeah jesus 20 shots i drank a 16 oz bottle of bacaradi just straight out of the bottle; smashed my face on gravel from a drunk later, ruined my night lpl

 

[Allein]

Until July this year I drank at least 1/3 of a liter of whiskey everyday, it seemed to have lttle effect other them take the edge of my anxiety, my motor functions were relativly unaffected due to tolerance, no slurred speach even if I had a really heavy night.

In many ways, with booze the less its effecting you the more trouble your in, I dead to think how much I nwould habe had to drink to get the callsic drunk effects..close to a full bottle I rekon.

And I was getting up and going to work every day, proper alcholics would make my intake look like a light tipple

 

[Fixed5217]

Some do to a certain degree but if alcohol didn't make them feel god they would probably switch to benzos/opiates/something better. I don't get why people like alcohol so much, sure it's euphoria but the hang overs, blackouts, danger, cance it's one of the least safe recreational drugs out there.

and yeah jesus 20 shots i drank a 16 oz bottle of bacaradi just straight out of the bottle; smashed my face on gravel from a drunk later, ruined my night lpl

Part of it is enjoyment of the feeling, though having done some of just about everything, respect for laws is what really cemented it as a problem for me. The other is that i could be twenty drinks or more down and still babysit the party or perform complicated motor functions, read papers, etc. etc. What really got me towards the recent end of my usage was mixing it with all other kinds of substances just to get to a point where I would actually be able to retire for the night.

Until July this year I drank at least 1/3 of a liter of whiskey everyday, it seemed to have lttle effect other them take the edge of my anxiety, my motor functions were relativly unaffected due to tolerance, no slurred speach even if I had a really heavy night.

In many ways, with booze the less its effecting you the more trouble your in, I dead to think how much I nwould habe had to drink to get the callsic drunk effects..close to a full bottle I rekon.

And I was getting up and going to work every day, proper alcholics would make my intake look like a light tipple

Drinking in large amounts can be a viscious cycle, adding benzos on top intensifies it. I had a friend who i'd hang with, that was there when i hit my withdrawal, and knew i could put down liquor, but had no idea I was not even getting drunk till 3/4 way through a fifth, and even then that was a state of normality for me, I'd have to mix in so many other things to even get the feeling.

And i still got up to go to work

edit: this thread is about etizolam, in hindsight, i'd had mini withdrawals quite a few times. Along the lines i had quite a few eti's on my hands, and when those diappeared i'm sure i would have withdrew were it not for the yet prodigious alcohol consumption i continued