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Self inducing HPPD?

Issac Sinclair

Issac Sinclair

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Hey I would like to get HPPD. How does one go about to acquire it? I have slight effects when smoking weed now, from 2CE I believe. I've taken mushrooms as well, so it might be from that as well, but I think its from 2CE since it seems to cause it more often.

What is a substance that provides the most HPPD?
How do I increase my chances of getting it?
 
No one understands the mechanism that triggers it. The 2C-xs allegedly cause it more often than any other substance, and mushrooms also seem to have a high chance. Just be aware that once you get it, there's a small chance you'll have it for life, and a larger chance you'll have it for at least two years. It may seem fun at first but I bet it gets old.

You might actually be trying to induce temporary flashbacks, which is different from the more lasting condition HPPD. Weed would probably help for inducing flashbacks. Being in an environment where you've tripped before is also more likely to bring it on as a sort of vivid memory that melds into your perception of your environment. For example, I once was walking in the woods at night, and I stood still. The forest seemed to pulse away from me. My body tingled. It was exactly like the first time I did san pedro in the woods.

Anyway, lots of people are going to tell you HPPD is something you don't want to induce, and I have to agree. The less you toy with your mind, the better. There are plenty of people out there looking to cure it, not to make it stronger. At any rate, you're not likely to be able to induce it; as far as we know it happens at random, like psychedelic Russian roulette.
 
Yeah, I don't think you want HPPD. It's one of those things that sounds cool in theory but in practice is just really annoying. I was just like you and I succeeded, it was fun at first but eventually it kept stacking up and started causing me a lot of problems like intense anxiety and derealization and guaranteed panic attacks whenever I did any drug at all. I've had to give up tripping for the last year or so and I'm waiting at least another year or more to start again because the symptoms really suck that much.
 
^ What AlyDrops said. The thing that we like about visual and auditory hallucinations is the altered sense of perception - when something permanently alters this, it's no longer novel, or even altered in the first place, and it becomes just as boring as your old perception very quickly. Along with that it can interfere with things like driving etc, and when you trip in future you'll notice very little in the way of visuals, because you already get them all the time and are used to, and bored of them.

Not worth it.

However, in my experience, 2C-E gives lasting "after-effects" that aren't quite HPPD. I tend to get a similar analytical style of thinking to when I'm on the drug for 2-3 weeks after taking it, along with spontaneous mild visuals during that time. After that it fades and everything returns to normal. Although I wouldn't recommend taking psychedelics just for this reason either, it's better than looking for permanent HPPD.
 
Thanks everyone!
Yeah I have lingering effects of 2CE and I look at some pictures and they seem to move a little, unless its just from memory. I have had the same background images on my computer and I don't know if I'm just imagining it moving but I think 2CE does make it linger.
 
HPPD is a long term thing and will be happening weather you've taken something or not

Its effects would be unpredictable to say the least, you don't want random lines in your vision for rest of your life or something

I find that stoping smoking tabacco/pot can cause some visual disturbances for a few weeks, like tv static and small movement. If you've been doing drugs there's plenty of thing that effect perception in the short term

Anyway why would you not just want to keep the hallucinations to the times when your on drugs, it's nice knowing that it will go away at some point
 
The Smoking Man said:
Wait. Even moreso than diphenhydramine? I kinda doubt that, as DPH is notorious for easily causing long-lasting HPPD.
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I assume he's just referring to psychedelics. Diphenhydramine does indeed cause it worse than anything else, it causes REAL HPPD frequently, unlike psychedelics where most people who think they have it actually don't. I've talked to people who have DPH HPPD so bad that they're just constantly in a deliriant trip (if you do it that much you can distinguish most hallucinations from reality, though) and have frequent blackouts and have problems remembering conversations they had 5 minutes ago. I'm glad I got outta that early enough....
 
I had a friend who would revel in magnifying his HPPD, and would even call it by that name, knowing it's considered a disorder. He would mainly just keep dosing frequently even though he knew he was experiencing flashbacks, on top of smoking marijuana and focusing on the visual shifts. For someone who wants to reduce their HPPD I would recommend the exact opposite, and I'm pretty sure I did recommend this to him at some point. But some people are wired differently and just love the visual changes, it would be hard to see it as intrusive in these persons. The intrusion to normal functioning is what seems to distinguish HPPD from simply tripping out, and is what makes borderline cases hard to judge.
 
StephenD said:
I had a friend who would revel in magnifying his HPPD, and would even call it by that name, knowing it's considered a disorder. He would mainly just keep dosing frequently even though he knew he was experiencing flashbacks, on top of smoking marijuana and focusing on the visual shifts. For someone who wants to reduce their HPPD I would recommend the exact opposite, and I'm pretty sure I did recommend this to him at some point. But some people are wired differently and just love the visual changes, it would be hard to see it as intrusive in these persons. The intrusion to normal functioning is what seems to distinguish HPPD from simply tripping out, and is what makes borderline cases hard to judge.
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I used to do this. Like, exactly as you said. Honestly, it's great fun on the way up, but it can lead to some terrible places. You really should urge him to stop if he still does this.
 
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AlyDrops said:
I used to do this. Like, exactly as you said. Honestly, it's great fun on the way up, but it can lead to some terrible places. You really should urge him to stop if he still does this.
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Yeah I always had to guide him out of the headspaces he'd get himself into just by being obsessed with tripping and the resulting brain changes. It was simply a case of someone who reveled in the psychedelic state and simply wanted to be in that tripping mindstate all the time. He eventually went to a rehab-style "recovery house" for addicts of all types, and ended up being kicked out for buying/smoking weed. I've since lost touch with him and hope he's OK... Really one of the most intrepid explorers I know, on top of being one of the more intelligent people I've met period. But also a very sad case of an obsession taking over someone's life, pulling them down to far below what their potential could be.
 
i've had my HPPD for 18 months now, it was terrible to begin with because i didnt know what it was. it induced paranoia and anxiety a lot for me, but nowadays it doesnt bother me that much, it can actually be quite fun, if im bored in class i can just stare at a pattern or the wall and im having fun :) but i still wish i didnt have it, i forget what it is like to see properly now
 
After reading this thread I did a bit of research and it seems I have this and I didn't even realise. About 2 months ago, I took a monster dose of MXE in one line. I'm not going to disclose the amount as I'd rather not have everything looking down on me. On Wikipedia it shows "HPPD noise simulation, often referred to as visual snow" and then the following picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red-blue-noise.gif

I see that constantly. Doesn't bother me that much to be honest.
 
I've had that constantly my whole life. Most people have. It's only when psychedelics exacerbate it to the point where it interferes with your life or distresses you that it's considered one of the symptoms of HPPD.
 
Yeah, visual noise isn't a true HPPD symptom, it's just the drugs making you pay more attention to your sensory processing. Same with afterimages, very mild tracers, finding patterns in textured surfaces (unless they're blaringly obvious), and seeing things move/melt by staring at them for too long or unfocusing your eyes. All of those things are possible without drugs but plenty of people don't notice them until afterward and then they start to associate it with the drugs and that causes anxiety and derealization and both of those exacerbate those, as do not getting enough sleep, eating healthy, getting exercise, etc.
 
StephenD said:
Yeah I always had to guide him out of the headspaces he'd get himself into just by being obsessed with tripping and the resulting brain changes. It was simply a case of someone who reveled in the psychedelic state and simply wanted to be in that tripping mindstate all the time. He eventually went to a rehab-style "recovery house" for addicts of all types, and ended up being kicked out for buying/smoking weed. I've since lost touch with him and hope he's OK... Really one of the most intrepid explorers I know, on top of being one of the more intelligent people I've met period. But also a very sad case of an obsession taking over someone's life, pulling them down to far below what their potential could be.
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Yeah, like I said, that's exactly how I was, though I pulled myself out of it when I saw what it was doing to me. That is a shame though, I hope he's doing better. I have to say though... it's quite a life. It gets a little disturbing when you realize that you can take 10 hits of acid and most of the trip is supplied by your HPPD. I don't even really remember what regular visuals are like, I haven't tripped since I started taking time off to recover.
 
I've decided to just take some 2CE and have some of the mild effects when you stare at something long enough, it will start moving. Thanks for all the help guys, Thanksgiving isn't here yet, but I am thankful for this community! <3
 
Xamkou said:
After reading this thread I did a bit of research and it seems I have this and I didn't even realise. About 2 months ago, I took a monster dose of MXE in one line. I'm not going to disclose the amount as I'd rather not have everything looking down on me. On Wikipedia it shows "HPPD noise simulation, often referred to as visual snow" and then the following picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red-blue-noise.gif

I see that constantly. Doesn't bother me that much to be honest.
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Ever since I was a kid I've been trying to convince people that I can see atoms. That I can see colours in the dark, even PITCH BLACK can't-see-hand-in-front-of-face dark. I even see it when my eyes are tight shut, in the dark. It's as if every single thing I see with my eyes is made of of billions upon billions of tiny little pinpricks of coloured light. No-one ever took me seriously, "oh, you're imagining it..." etc etc.

That pic, above is like a fast moving version of what I see & it's the first time I've seen anything even close to what I've seen my entire life.

I should add that despite hundreds of mdma trips, dozens & dozens of trips on acid, 2c-xx, tryptamines, shrooms my vision has not changed in any obvious way. I do appear to see more "halo's" around things... that may be new but I rarely go a day without weed, so I suspect the halo's are a subtle HPPD brought on by smoking shit daily.
 
sometimes when i look at the grass or a gravel pavement, i can stare through it almost (similar to looking at pictures where your cross ur eyes and images appear, but not quite the same), and i can make the patterns "breathe" and "sway" in a way, almost as if it were liquid.

is this HPPD?
 
Korn3x said:
sometimes when i look at the grass or a gravel pavement, i can stare through it almost (similar to looking at pictures where your cross ur eyes and images appear, but not quite the same), and i can make the patterns "breathe" and "sway" in a way, almost as if it were liquid.

is this HPPD?
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No, it isn't. Read my above post (#15), and then the one right above yours (#18) for extra reference.
 
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