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QLD's New Definition of an Analogue

New Alchronik-2 - This mixture of herbs will make you feel just like you are drunk without the hang over!
 
This is just ridiculous, we already had some of the worlds tightest laws in regard to this and I am sick of these idiots who make the laws just rushing to fix non existant problems that are created by the media and trying to control us even more. The really ridiculous thing is all this fuss is now happening because of a bunch of shitty drugs that wouldn't even exist if idiots didn't criminalise cannabis a few decades ago.
 
This is just ridiculous, we already had some of the worlds tightest laws in regard to this and I am sick of these idiots who make the laws just rushing to fix non existant problems that are created by the media and trying to control us even more. The really ridiculous thing is all this fuss is now happening because of a bunch of shitty drugs that wouldn't even exist if idiots didn't criminalise cannabis a few decades ago.

WORD! (sorry I agree, but it's what came to my head) LOL.
 
Fuck..SAKE.
Hmmmmm.. *ponders about the dim future.*

And I don't see myself moving from QLD in teh near future, laws here aren't great :\
 
Before I say something smart, is this a blatant advertisement for possibly YOUR mix? This has nothing to do with this thread, at all? Or am I missing something here?

I too am confused.. is he joking around or something?
A google search showed nothing.. what a weird post..
 
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I liked acidprime's joke:D

There are lots products getting around with descriptions like that... "just like xtc - without the effects!"

As for the new definition: They will keep changing the wording and people will keep finding ways to dance around it.
 
I didn't get it at first either.

Queensland's analogue law was already like this anyway, they have just slightly changed how it's worded. I can't be bothered to look up the old wording, but there were newspaper articles about it last year or the year before perhaps. It's just more of the same old shit.
 
This might be were the difference is "Courier Mail: October 14, 2011
New changes to the law have been introduced in Queensland’s State Parliament this week which will make the sale of Kronic and other synthetic drugs “even harder” than it currently is. Attorney-General Paul Lucas said “police would no longer have to prove a substance had the same effect as a banned drug, only that it is intended to have the same effect under the proposal..."
 
This might be were the difference is "Courier Mail: October 14, 2011
New changes to the law have been introduced in Queensland’s State Parliament this week which will make the sale of Kronic and other synthetic drugs “even harder” than it currently is. Attorney-General Paul Lucas said “police would no longer have to prove a substance had the same effect as a banned drug, only that it is intended to have the same effect under the proposal..."

The full article and source are in the Synthetic Cannabinoid thread if people want to read it all:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/572411-Synthetic-Cannabinoids-Thread/page19
 
Intended by whom? The user? The vendor? The manufacturer?

If I drink a glass of water because I think it will make me stoned, and thus have a substantially similar effect to marijuana, does this mean water should be banned?

Edit: I found some further information in the 2011 Amendment:

‘129A Evidentiary provision—s 4, definition
dangerous drug, paragraph (c)(ii)

‘(1) This section applies if, in a proceeding for an offence against
this or another Act, it is relevant to prove that a thing is a
dangerous drug under section 4, definition dangerous drug,
paragraph (c)(ii).
‘(2) The thing is proved to be a dangerous drug if there is evidence
that—
(a) the accused person actually intended that the thing have
a substantially similar pharmacological effect; or
(b) an ordinary person would reasonably consider, in the
circumstances of the case, that the accused intended that
the thing have a substantially similar pharmacological
effect.’.
 
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(b) an ordinary person would reasonably consider, in the
circumstances of the case, that the accused intended that
the thing have a substantially similar pharmacological
effect.

An ordinary person would have no idea what they were doing nor would they know if it would have a similar effect. The wording is wrong. Full stop.
 
My theoretical water case could be prosecuted because I would have satisfied 2(a) above.

Now I could easily avoid prosecution by claiming that I did not intend the water to make me stoned, and the prosecution would need to prove that I did intend for it to make me stoned. How will they do this? I don't know. Perhaps they could refer to posts made on internet forums. Someone could post, "Hey guys you've got to try this new drug H2O a.k.a. water. It's the maddest drug I've ever done. It made me stoned out of my mind! I love water!!!!! Gosh this stuff is so good. I can't believe it isn't illegal". This post could then be used in court (after tracing IP addresses, etc.) and 2(a) may be deemed to be satisfied by the court, even if the defendant denies the intent.

Now, even if you don't post on the internet forum, you could still theoretically be prosecuted under 2(b). This is rather unlikely though, as one would hope that an ordinary person would not consider water to have a substantially similar pharmacological effect to marijuana. Nonetheless, it is somewhat frightening, because an ordinary person has very limited knowledge of pharmacology, and it could be envisioned that a determined prosecutor, with convincing expert witnesses, could convince the court that an ordinary person would believe that water has a similar pharmacological effect to marijuana.

Now this scenario is far-fetched because water is generally accepted to not have any mind-altering effects.

However, consider how easy it would be to prosecute someone for the possession of anything, under these laws.

Let's consider any substance X that binds to a receptor (any receptor) in the brain. The prosecution can make the case "Substance X binds to receptors in the brain. THC, the active substance in marijuana, also binds to receptors in the brain. People enjoy consuming marijuana. People also enjoy consuming Substance X. So in conclusion, both these substances bind to proteins in the brain called receptors, and both of these substances cause feelings of well-being in the drug user. Therefore, I emplore you to find the defendant guilty of possession of a dangerous drug, because these dangerous drugs ruin the lives of innocent children and their families, and contribute to criminal activities such as murder, rape, kidnapping and assault."

edit: @AyahuascaSeeker13 Exactly, an ordinary person knows almost nothing about pharmacology, and an ordinary person would be much more likely to view two substances to be similar than someone with more pharmacological knowledge would. Only someone like a pharmacologist or a doctor would be able to make an educated and valid assessment of the similarity of pharmacological effect. Still, we do not have complete understanding of the pharmacological action of certain drugs, and these assessments would be best guesses based on the limited research that has been performed. Furthermore, what actually is meant by "pharmacological effect"? Does this mean binding to the same receptor binding site? To the same receptor subunits? To the same receptors? To neurons that release the same neurotransmitters? To neurons that are located in the same anatomical area? Could the term "pharmacological effect" be extended to psychological effects - pleasure, relaxation, euphoria, etc? Could it be extended to behavioural effects - repeated self-administration? We all repeatedly self-administer food. Is food a dangerous drug?

This legislation is purposely vague, to enable prosecutors to freely prosecute whomever they please.
 
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