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Alternative to Methylone for combination with 6-APB

AlmostFamous

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I've been wanting to try Methylone in combination with 6-APB the past 4 months. I finally got around to it only to find out Methylone is emergency scheduled and virtually impossible to find. So what's out there that would be a good alternative to Methylone?
 
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How is this not a 'what should I take?' thread in a slightly different form?
 
What the hell are you hoping to achieve by mixing 6-APB with methylone?!!? Can someone tell me what one hopes to achieve by adding a dirty fiendy stimulant with some empathogenic properties with what's a half-way decent, solid, empathogen?

It's like planning to mix champagne with redbull, and complaining that you can't find any redbull...
 
What the hell are you hoping to achieve by mixing 6-APB with methylone?!!? Can someone tell me what one hopes to achieve by adding a dirty fiendy stimulant with some empathogenic properties with what's a half-way decent, solid, empathogen?

It's like planning to mix champagne with redbull, and complaining that you can't find any redbull...
read my trip report I just wrote, it was amazing.
Please don't shit all over someone's aspirations, it's very degrading.
And to answer the question, I've heard 5-APB mixes with 6-APB in a great way, although I have yet to try it myself but plan on it soon
 
How is this not a 'what should I take?' thread in a slightly different form?


You are right in that this thread does kinda sound like a "what I should take," question. That manly comes from the fact that I originally posted this in drug basics so I kept my question very basic. I'll explain what I'm trying to find.

As we all know, one of the key differences in MDMA and bk-MDMA is the release of serotonin. Reason why most experiences mention lacking the magic and fiendish qualities when compared to MDMA. One way to overcome this shortcomings from the reports and experiences I've read is to take bk-MDMA in combination with MDAI. MDAI being manly a releaser of serotonin compliments bk-MDMA in this area, giving an experience very close to MDMA. That's the conclusion I came to last year.

With the explosion of popularity with 6-APB, I starting looking at that substance as a superior substance to take in combination with bk-MDMA when compared to MDAI. Most of the reports and experiences I've read point to the direction of 6-APB being a mid to high releaser of serotonin, and being fairly potent compared to the many MDMA/MDA like research chemicals on the market. Also, the durations of each substance would compliment each other well. With bk-MDMA's onset effects felt as little as 15 to 20 minutes, main effects from 1 to 2 hours, when compared to 6-APB's onset effects from the hour mark, to main effects from 2 to 4 hours. It would almost be like bk-MDMA passing the baton to 6-APB so to say, with bk-MDMA speedy nature enhancing 6-apb main effects from 2 to 4 hour mark.

I wouldn't be surprised if both substances taken together would give a unique experience superior to either MDMA or MDA. This is all in theory. I'm sure someone with more knowledge of releasers and inhibitors, and general pharmacology could explain what I believe in a much better fashion. Either in support or disagreement of my theory that both substances taken at the right level would produce an experience superior to either MDMA or MDA.
 
Man, methylone has been scheduled in my state for about 8 months, and that was a big loss for me. I much preferred the versatility, user-friendliness, and softened crash of methylone in comparison to MDMA. I've also been wondering what a good combination for 6-APB would be, because it delivers pretty spot on effects to MDxx chems, just without the strong push of euphoria, which is really the big seller of the drugs in the first place. I am inclined to say butylone (bk-MDBD) would be a good replacement for methylone, because butylone is a pretty much just as good as methylone and actually lasts an hour or two longer than methylone, though the redose isn't as effective, and it can have some pretty bitter side effects physically as you return from a good run with it. My concern about that combination though, is 6-APB doesn't really have the easiest comedown either, so it could be a real wear on the body to combine the two. I will soon be doing some research with 4-FMA, which I hear has potential euphoric effects worth pursuing. 4-FA can kind of deliver a slight elevated mood, but I'm not really impressed with that chemical much at all. Some others worth looking into would be 3-FMC, 5-IAI, and Eutylone. Hope I was able to assist you in some way!
 
With all due respect 5-IAI sounds like it sucks more ass than a Nilfisk. The MDMA magic story is only in part from serotonin release, I think another vital part of it is the hijacking of SERT.
There are a whole bunch of mainly dopaminergic drugs like methylone, take your pick and see what adds up the best. Me, I think an MDA-analogue would not be lacking that much either way, it seems most of all to be asking for more side-effects but if you want to push one part of boosting monoamine levels be my guest. I have no better suggestion. For curiosity's sake I am interested to hear if someone else has.
Sorry sml-la I don't have much faith in those suggestions (but I am not all that familiar with 3-FMC... anyway I am concerned about safety especially combining it). On the other hand you would be substituting methcathinones so at least that makes sense.
 
2-FA,3-FA or 4-FA would all be good stims to go with the 6-ABP or mybe some 4-FMC, i haven't tried the latter

6APB + methoxetamine = godly + redose magic


I would want to avoid taking any outright stems or dissociatives in combinations with 6-APB. Methylone was the most logical because of its entactogenic qualities, but with it scheduled, I'm left with only the semi-desirable cathinones.
 
What has been banned? 4-MMC/Methylone/MDPV/4-FMC/3-FMC all banned?


The United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) have finally moved to schedule Mephedrone (4-MMC), Methylone (M1), and MDPV. The announcement comes as a precursor to an upcoming Emergency Control which will place the synthetic (AKA “research chemical”) drugs under Schedule I (one) control – the highest or otherwise most illegal drug classification. The ban will put the chemicals under control for at least 12 months with the potential for a further 6 month extension. It is expected that legislation will be passed during this time to permanently ban the substances.

Research Chemicals to be Banned:

Mephedrone (4-MMC) – A short lasting synthetic stimulant / entactogen. Known for its addictive nature. The chemical structure of mephedrone suggests that it is capable of serious harm to the body (particularly the heart) if used over a sustained period of time.

Methylone (M1 / bk-MDMA) – An entactogen / stimulant. Known for having properties similar to MDMA.

MDPV – A strong stimulant. Reported to have a highly addictive nature causing users to stay up for days. Used as the active ingredient in many “bath salts” found in head shops and gas stations.

DEA Release Announcement:
SEP 07 — WASHINGTON, D.C. – The United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is using its emergency scheduling authority to temporarily control three synthetic stimulants (Mephedrone , 3,4 methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) and Methylone). This action was necessary to protect the public from the imminent hazard posed by these dangerous chemicals. Except as authorized by law, this action will make possessing and selling these chemicals or the products that contain them illegal in the U.S. for at least one year while the DEA and the United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) further study whether these chemicals should be permanently controlled.

A Notice of Intent to temporarily control was published in the Federal Register today to alert the public to this action. This alert is required by law as part of the Controlled Substances Act. In 30 days or more, DEA intends to publish in the Federal Register a Final Order to temporarily control these chemicals for at least 12 months, with the possibility of a six-month extension. The final order will be published in the Federal Register and will designate these chemicals as Schedule I substances, the most restrictive category, which is reserved for unsafe, highly abused substances with no currently accepted medical use in the United States.

“This imminent action by the DEA demonstrates that there is no tolerance for those who manufacture, distribute, or sell these drugs anywhere in the country, and that those who do will be shut down, arrested, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” said DEA Administrator Michele M. Leonhart. “DEA has made it clear we will not hesitate to use our emergency scheduling authority to control these dangerous chemicals that pose a significant and growing threat to our nation.”

Over the past few months, there has been a growing use of, and interest in, synthetic stimulants sold under the guise of “bath salts” or “plant food”. Marketed under names such as “Ivory Wave”, “Purple Wave”, “Vanilla Sky” or “Bliss”, these products are comprised of a class of chemicals perceived as mimics of cocaine, LSD, MDMA, and/or methamphetamine. Users have reported impaired perception, reduced motor control, disorientation, extreme paranoia, and violent episodes. The long-term physical and psychological effects of use are unknown but potentially severe. These products have become increasingly popular, particularly among teens and young adults, and are sold at a variety of retail outlets, in head shops and over the Internet. However, they have not been approved by the FDA for human consumption or for medical use, and there is no oversight of the manufacturing process.

In the last six months, DEA has received an increasing number of reports from poison centers, hospitals and law enforcement regarding products containing one or more of these chemicals. Thirty-three states have already taken action to control or ban these or other synthetic stimulants. The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 amends the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) to allow the DEA Administrator to temporarily schedule an abused, harmful, non-medical substance in order to avoid an imminent hazard to public safety while the formal rule-making procedures described in the CSA are being conducted.
 
Through sheer luck, I was able to get one gram of bk-mdma(methylone). More than likely, this will be the last time I'll ever get a chance to try this chemical. I still want to try a combination of methylone and 6-apb. I just have to figure out how I want to take it together. I'm leaning toward trying a test experience with an allergy test followed by 75mg of 6-apb and 100mg of methylone taken together to get an idea of what to expect and then a couple weeks later trying 150mg 6-apb and 200mg together. I'm fairly familar with methylone, and have taken it all the way upto 500mg. Later learned methylone is more effective around 200mg. Anything more just makes the experience more speedy without any increase in the positives the chemical has to offer. You can read my 500mg+ experience if you want. This will be my first time trying 6-apb.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/546650-First-time-Methylone-(bk-mdma)-550mg

I've read there is 2 ways to take this in combination with each other to get a positive experience. First is to take both chemicals together. You get the methylone experience for the first two hours and then the experience morphs into a 6-apb from 2 hour point on with methylone's lingering stimulation and dopamine push potentiating the 6-apb experience. The second way I've read is to take 6-apb first, and when you hit that last big peak around the 3.5-4 hour mark, take the methylone which will give you a unique experience with both chemicals very visible to the user.

I've also read taking 6-apb first and then methylone at the hour to two hour mark. A report comes to mind where the user took 200mg of 6-apb and then took 200mg of bk-mdma at the hour mark, and said the experience wasn't bad but he was completely consumed by both chemicals for 2 hours. It was just too much to handle and he couldn't comprehend his experience at all, let alone walking and having understandable conversations.
 
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Through sheer luck, I was able to get one gram of bk-mdma(methylone). More than likely, this will be the last time I'll ever get a chance to try this chemical. I still want to try a combination of methylone and 6-apb. I just have to figure out how I want to take it together. I'm leaning toward trying a test experience with an allergy test followed by 75mg of 6-apb and 100mg of methylone taken together to get an idea of what to expect and then a couple weeks later trying 150mg 6-apb and 200mg together. I'm fairly familar with methylone, and have taken it all the way upto 500mg. Later learned methylone is more effective around 200mg. Anything more just makes the experience more speedy without any increase in the positives the chemical has to offer. You can read my 500mg+ experience if you want. This will be my first time trying 6-apb.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/546650-First-time-Methylone-(bk-mdma)-550mg

I've read there is 2 ways to take this in combination with each other to get a positive experience. First is to take both chemicals together. You get the methylone experience for the first two hours and then the experience morphs into a 6-apb from 2 hour point on with methylone's lingering stimulation and dopamine push potentiating the 6-apb experience. The second way I've read is to take 6-apb first, and when you hit that last big peak around the 3.5-4 hour mark, take the methylone which will give you a unique experience with both chemicals very visible to the user.

I've also read taking 6-apb first and then methylone at the hour to two hour mark. A report comes to mind where the user took 200mg of 6-apb and then took 200mg of bk-mdma at the hour mark, and said the experience wasn't bad but he was completely consumed by both chemicals for 2 hours. It was just too much to handle and he couldn't comprehend his experience at all, let alone walking and having understandable conversations.
I took 6-APB and methylone once I began peaking and peaked on both at the same time, it was intense and amazing.
 
What the hell are you hoping to achieve by mixing 6-APB with methylone?!!? Can someone tell me what one hopes to achieve by adding a dirty fiendy stimulant with some empathogenic properties with what's a half-way decent, solid, empathogen?

It's like planning to mix champagne with redbull, and complaining that you can't find any redbull...

Yeah because methylone is a "dirty fiendy stimulant" for everyone

you realize how elitist and myopic you sound? jeez
 
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