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    So I haven't posted in a while because I went to rehab. Not just any rehab, my family is not the most informed family... and they aren't the type to really research shit.. so they sent me to a place called "Narconon"... It was fucking hell. At the same time, I am now sober (except the occasional weed smoking and kratom use), I work full time now and am functioning again as a human being after a long battle with Meth, benzo and heroin addiction.

    To give you guys a quick back story, I was struggling off and on with meth addiction mainly, I would binge for a week or so.. finally quit, then in no time relapse again. This last relapse was REALLY bad. I not only smoked and injected copious amounts of meth but I had acquired 2 bottles of pills. 1 was 30 1mg tablets of lorazepam and the other was 60 1mg tablets of clonazepam. The 2nd day of my meth binge I began taking the benzos. I don't remember anything past the 2nd day but apparently I got on facebook, cussed out a bunch of friends... drove all over San Diego, puked all over the side of my car, smoked heroin, showed up at people's houses, stole shit from a liquor store, broke my phone, etc. I have no memory of any of this. Last thing I remember was taking 4 or 5 lorazepam and smoking meth in my friend's room.

    Next thing I know, I wake up in a strange room I didn't recognize with 2 other beds and a poster of L. Ron Hubbard over my bed. I felt like absolute shit and soon enough I talked to someone and was informed I was in rehab. Apparently one of my friends called my family and they did an intervention on me. I have no memory of that. I found out later though that I had consumed both bottles of benzos and was caught with needles, a meth pipe, weed, a weed pipe, a foil ball with heroin residue, a bottle of Mirtazapine, a bottle of diphenhydramine, a bottle of dextromethorphan HBr, a bottle of valerian root, 2 bottles of Maeng Da Kratom, a bottle of hydroxyzine and a bottle of seroquel. My parents thought I was sober at this point.. so you can imagine their surprise. They didn't even know I smoked weed...

    Anyhow, I was driven against my will (I yelled at them and begged them not to take me, because I knew who L. Ron Hubbard was... and I was not going to fucking go anywhere with scientologists without a fucking fight)... and I eventually was forced into the car and driven out to the middle of fucking no where. I was stuck in a cottage that was disgusting, (bugs and spiders everywhere, mice and rats too) and I was locked in a room. I was called a faggot at least 100 times, and at this point I began withdrawing and started puking, diarrhea, hallucinating etc. They wouldn't get me food or water either. I just shat myself and puked in a bucket. I eventually tried to hang myself with my bed sheets... I was then sent to a psych ward... where my family refused to visit me and believed them when they said they were not associated with the church of scientology. FUCK SCIENTOLOGY AND FUCK SCIENTOLOGISTS. Just want to say that now.

    After being there for 3 days, when I tried to leave, the Narconon fuckers were waiting outside and they informed me if I said I wouldn't go with them they would give my family my wallet, phone and clothes... that I would be left with nothing and that my mother would call the police. I argued with them for a bit but then realized I had no fucking idea where I was and I had no real choice but to go back with them to Narconon. When I went back, they threw me back in the room and treated me even worse than before. I also suspected my "Withdrawal specialists" were on drugs.. (they were, 11 staff members were fired while I was there for being on meth, heroin, methadone etc.) because there they have NO nurses, or doctors etc. All it takes to work there, is to graduate the program.

    Eventually I begged to go to the doctor because I couldn't stop puking. I was sent to a doctor, where I tried to make a run for it again with no success. They chased me down and I eventually went into the doctors office and tried to tell them what they were doing to me.... the doctor didn't believe me and they told the doctor "He's a drug addict, you can't believe anything they say". Even my own mother said the same thing when I told her what they were doing... which was essentially torturing me... They overdosed me on zofran, I finally felt okay enough to go to the actual center.. where "staff members" would constantly hit on and have sex with the drug addicts, they would bully people mercilessly, they pretty much forced me to cut off my hair and for 3 months I remained in that hell. They taught us absolutely NOTHING about how to stay sober... they just made us do weird shit like stare at each other in the eyes for 2 hours, touch walls over and over again "Look at that wall, thank you... walk over to that wall... thank you... touch that wall... thank you..." "Do birds fly?" etc. It was so fucking bizarre. Then they made us sit in a dry sauna for 5 hours a day taking absolutely dangerous dosages of niacin... (we had to go up to 5000 mg without reacting... and every time you would react to the niacin... you'd have to take that same dosage again... until you stopped. I would pocket my niacin and even purged in the bathroom niacin I had taken because they watched me take it... They constantly listened to your phone calls, they constantly watched you... they lied about everything... What a fucking nightmare. I lost 40 lbs while in there, didn't sleep for a solid 2 weeks, cried more times than I've ever cried in my life and truly saw more fucked up shit than I can even tell you.

    Now that I'm out and back home, lucky as I am... since many are stuck there... they tell your family you're not ready to leave yet so you should stay and intern... aka work for practically free, illegal hours for a few months before being shipped off to ABLE which is the (Church of Scientology headquarters) then you get fully brainwashed and become a lying sack of shit piece of garbage scientologist. My family spent 35,000 dollars to send me to a place that didn't do anything for me except make a few great friends and know the true meaning of "suffering"... I have to admit that is the best part about Narconon. They make you suffer so badly that it makes everything else in life seem significantly more tolerable.

    Now that I'm home though, my anxiety is back... depression is back etc. I'm trying to move out as soon as I feasibly can so that way my family can never send me away to some shit hole like that again. It sucks always saying how much it "helped me" and how "Grateful" I am to them for sending me there because I'm literally so scared to this day to tell the truth that I'm worried if they think it didn't work they will try to send me somewhere else... or even worse.. send me back to Narconon. I'd fucking commit suicide before going back there.

    But yeah. If you ever consider rehab DO NOT go to Narconon. It's a scam created by the church of scientology. Don't go to "Fresh Start" either. That's another name for Narconon that they use to lure people in. Both sites do not mention L. Ron Hubbard or the church of scientology. But trust me... you don't want to go to any of those places. If you fucking live through their program (which you might not, quite a few people have died while in Narconon due to niacin poisoning and neglect).. you won't be the same after.
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    SCARY!!!
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    Yeah... There were many times I thought I was either gonna be stuck there for a long time or die. Suicide was a daily thought. If you Google Narconon you can see I'm not lying. I survived that shit and it sucked ass. Fuck scientologists. Seriously. Fucking disgusting religion.
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    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpo...?topic=12058.0

    You can read about this story from someone who also went there.
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    That sounds seriously heavy. I've heard of Narconon - Scientology is creepy.

    Glad to hear you made it out
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    I'm kinda glad your parents spent all that money, tax on retardation. Just a shame who it went too.

    How can they force you to go? Are you over 18?. I mean I get why you couldn't leave once you were there, and how you wound up there, but in future can't you just refuse? But yeah get away from your family, and if I were you, once your away, lay into them about how criminally stupid and negligent they were. If my family pulled that shit I think id help myself to their money and disappear.

    God I can't imagine how you feel, id feel so angry. I'm angry just hearing you describe it. Someone's gotta shut these fuckers down. Why must people be so profoundly stupid, the narconon people, scientologists, your parents, people who send their family there, all of them. Its so frustrating when everyone thinks you're lying cause you're a drug addict. I swear I coulda told my mom what the time was and have her reply "yeah but how can I really trust you, you're a drug addict". They don't even believe arguments based on basic logic. It gets to the point where you can wind up lying simply because they assume everything you say is a lie anyway and so there's no point in being honest.

    I'm sorry for what you went through, those fucking brainwashed morons, just fucking mindless sheep, if I were you id run away, actually I did run away. Anything's gotta be better than that.
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    Read a little. How inexperienced those "specialist" are. No clue about the human body. How the brain works the nerv network etc.
    Oh dear, even I know so much about the human body - I am studding (as hobby) the body functions for over 20 years - and I have still no golden way how to have the solution for all who are addicted.

    It is always human depended. Because what most docs forget is what had also happened. Did your mother drank or smoke while pregnancy. Do you have post traumatic stress. What happened when you where a baby? The physiological side must be included too.

    Anyway my meaning is that what they did to you is mutilation. Glad you survived
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    Quote Originally Posted by JessFR View Post
    I'm kinda glad your parents spent all that money, tax on retardation. Just a shame who it went too.

    How can they force you to go? Are you over 18?. I mean I get why you couldn't leave once you were there, and how you wound up there, but in future can't you just refuse? But yeah get away from your family, and if I were you, once your away, lay into them about how criminally stupid and negligent they were. If my family pulled that shit I think id help myself to their money and disappear.

    God I can't imagine how you feel, id feel so angry. I'm angry just hearing you describe it. Someone's gotta shut these fuckers down. Why must people be so profoundly stupid, the narconon people, scientologists, your parents, people who send their family there, all of them. Its so frustrating when everyone thinks you're lying cause you're a drug addict. I swear I coulda told my mom what the time was and have her reply "yeah but how can I really trust you, you're a drug addict". They don't even believe arguments based on basic logic. It gets to the point where you can wind up lying simply because they assume everything you say is a lie anyway and so there's no point in being honest.

    I'm sorry for what you went through, those fucking brainwashed morons, just fucking mindless sheep, if I were you id run away, actually I did run away. Anything's gotta be better than that.
    You have no idea... Every single day I have to try to remind myself that my parents did what they thought was best... and they were just trying to save my life... because I often get this overwhelming feeling of deep hatred for them. My whole life I felt like I could only truly rely on my family.. and they left me there. I begged them to get me out. All the fucking crimes narconon has committed are one google search away... yet they left me there. Telling me "They wouldn't do that to you, you're lying!" etc. I can't tell you how much I suffered there. There's a video on youtube called "Inside Narconon" it explains it so well. During Objectives, which is literally "Auditing", but with a different name, I cried... picked my skin till it bled and tried to slit my wrists with a steak knife.

    I am over 18, I'm 26... I was forced there because I woke up there.... I don't remember even going there. What happened was, I was so fucked up on benzos, meth and heroin that my friend called my parents... my parents met up with me and I was so fucked up I couldn't even walk or have a conversation. They carried me to the car, drove me to Narconon... and dropped me off there. I didn't have any choice in the matter but let me fucking tell you, I'll never be so fucked up again that I'd allow myself to be taken somewhere against my will. And what's ridiculous about it is, even if I was lying... it's obvious narconon is no fucking good just from one google search.

    They told my mom on the phone in front of me, that you cannot trust anything a drug addict says. Don't believe them because they'll say anything to get out. Then when they got off the phone, the fat fucking piece of garbage that handles the phones, the "Ethics officer" said right to my face, "See? They'll never believe you. Once you're in Narconon you stay in Narconon". They tried to get me to stay... but luckily I behaved so well my family believed I was completely cured and let me come back home. Little do they know, I'm fucking worse off than I was before. Sure I'm not on meth or heroin anymore... and thank the fucking cosmos for that... but my mental health is pretty much in the shitter...

    I cannot tell you how much it weighs on you to fight being brainwashed every day. I cried many times out of fear that I'd never be the same after leaving there. And I was right, I'm not the same anymore.
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    Sue them! Was my first thought, because they hurt the laws of human right - but I think you are doing only a Don Quixote way.
    These ppl have too much lawyers and money.


    Hope that only the way you had to walk was wrong and bring further a own family with children and a nice job which you like.

    I think your parents are overwhelmed with that. Forgive them, because they did not know what they had done.

    What I had done. I would drive to a good hospital. Set you in a artificial coma and cleaned your blood. After that you are able to have a conversation about that and what can be done for you next.
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    Clean my blood? Coma? I can't afford these luxuries xD, yeah I'll forgive them I'm sure. It'll just take time. I need to move out of my moms asap. I hate feeling reliant on them after this.
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    I would not say that. It is a cumulation of situations that brings ppl in bad situations. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes happens shorter. Remember that humans can not be perfect.
    And to forgive others 100% you have to forgive your self first. So do not blame your self. Reconsidering is necessary - self-recrimination not.

    IMHO
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    Definitely don't blame yourself, nothing you did warrants anything close to what happened to you.

    My opinion though, you don't have to forgive them. You're right, they could easily have verified what you said and they are responsible for your suffering as a result. Once you're sure you can't be sent back, id show them. Show them the proof of who these people are and what really happened to you and the damage they're responsible for. Good intentions don't mean shit when you could and should have easily done something different with what you knew at the time.

    I know how you wound up there, what I was wondering is how could they force you to go back. You're an adult how can they make you go there again against your will. The first time you weren't in a position to resist, presumably if there were a next time you could.

    It's your choice if you will forgive them. It's not up to anyone else. But you don't have too. By all means forgive them if it'll help, if you feel like you should forgive them, but don't feel bad if you can't.
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    Scientology and all of it's affiliations need to go down in a blazing ball of glory. Sorry what you went through OP. I would say sue but like someone else pretty much said, the amount of lawyers and money they have is ridiculous. I think if enough people stand up against them tho they can eventually be put under. Going to take some time tho.

    Also, here's a vid on Narconon that I posted a while back in another thread...

    http://<div class="bbcode_container"... </div>Whoops!

    Quote Originally Posted by JessFR View Post
    I know how you wound up there, what I was wondering is how could they force you to go back. You're an adult how can they make you go there again against your will.
    Because Scientology is above the law.
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    Nutty I think you misunderstand, I'm asking how his parents can make him go back there. Once he's there they have ways of keeping him there illegally and getting away with it. But he has to wind up there somehow first. Most wind up there being emotionally pressured or ignorant of who they really are. I'm asking how can his parents force him to go there against his will in the future.
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    This I think?...

    Quote Originally Posted by camjua View Post
    I am over 18, I'm 26... I was forced there because I woke up there.... I don't remember even going there. What happened was, I was so fucked up on benzos, meth and heroin that my friend called my parents... my parents met up with me and I was so fucked up I couldn't even walk or have a conversation. They carried me to the car, drove me to Narconon... and dropped me off there.
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    Oh come on, what I'm asking is not this complicated. He said he's afraid of telling then the truth in case they make him go back to narconon or something similar. I'm asking how can they make him do that when he's an adult. If he's not high and really out of it like the first time, or submits to them because he didn't know how bad it would be like the first time, how could they hypothetically make him go back there? That's all I was wondering.
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    Did they try to get you to tell them embarrassing things about yourself, or join their cult? Or to donate money to them, or steal things from you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriestTheyCalledHim View Post
    Did they try to get you to tell them embarrassing things about yourself, or join their cult? Or to donate money to them, or steal things from you?
    They did all of the above. They made us tell us everything about us and they asked my family a bunch of personal shit about me saying it would "better help my treatment if they know everything about me so they can make the program fit my specific needs" which is fucking bullshit. They copy paste their treatment. It's the same for everyone.

    They tried to force me to intern. They stole 35,000 dollars from my family promising real treatment. They claimed they had a 24 hour doctor which is bullshit. They would drive us 30 miles to a doctor if we got sick. Or 45 to the hospital.

    Surprised no one died while I was there. Many of us got close I think.

    I just started my job. My family still pays for my car insurance and my gas. They also house me. If they got angry enough with me or think I'm using, they could send me back. I'd refuse but then I'd be homeless.
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    That's fucking wild man. I wonder how many people they are able to exploit and probably put in danger each year. Glad you're ok and all.
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    See that's the thing. I dunno if I'd say I'm okay. I feel like that place took a lot out of me.
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    Two years ago I was on the similar situation. I mean I have to live a time with my mother and stepfather.

    I was so horrible that I started more and more to drink (but this is another story). I asked them: "How can you treat me like that? Am I not your son? Or what or who I am? A part time guest?".

    My Mom answered: "Your are not a guest here you are only tolerated." Other sentences from her are: "If you are lying dying in the street - I will walk over you".
    This year (have my own flat again since last quarter of 2014) - but we had an big argument again. Then I thought finally to myself - she is mental ill. Never talk to her again. The result is always an argument against me.

    So I will leave this part of my family. Will move over 800 km to my father, because I realized that he is the only one in my family who is really interested in me.

    Why I am telling you these? I know other institutions like Scientology - I know there methods to brainwash people. So IMHO you must decide. Stick with your so called parents, suffering because of housing, car and stuff or say Good bye one day.

    I am planning my move silently. As less as ppl are involved. Because if I have to make bank transfers I must use a bank account from my mother (which she gave me in situation of compassion. Without that I could get no job, flat, etc - but it's not mine she can just close it any time or steal money if there is something on it)...

    So I must be careful. Because I think the whole process will take since February or so. So I must stay under the radar until at least my father makes an account for me (in his name). But he will do this in the next couple of days.

    Main problem:
    You can not argue with such ppl that are so brainwashed IMHO. So it useless in my eyes. Try everything to avoid communication with them and find another way with the things that makes you depended on your parents. At some day they realize what really happened - but then you are already gone (not dead).
    If they knock. Then open door, say please come in, sit down please and be my guest. Wanna have a tea or something to eat? And then lets talk - like real evolved humans do. But not in their house. Public or your house. Because the plus side in your flat/house is. You are the owner. Once back in 2007 I said to my mother: "Do not talk to me like that - there is the door.".

    Hope that helps a little bit. That is a part of the reasons why I am quitting drugs and make a complete new plan. I hate being dependent to something or someone (except my own child or wife, because it could be a wonderful symbioses). It can break your heart and make you depressed and sick.

    So it is good for me, that I have almost lost everything. It is like a forest fires - if you survive you can make everything new. Plus if you got no gold or silver you do not care about. See the rich ones. Locked in their villas with steel mesh and fences?

    Is this life - no this is only maya (Sanskrit) - only a illusion. Go out in the woods feel the power of nature. Make things with your hands. I started painting and make things from melted metal. Can tell you so much more...

    ... you can believe me - I can understand fully your dilemma.

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    Listen to Sebastian Thunder - "It's not easy"
    and "Finally" from him - that helps me every time.
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    BAHAHAHAHHAHAH

    i practiced scientology at the hollywood celeb centre for 2 years/ and know all about the sauna everyday and the whole "do birds fly" and touching things over and over again. i didint start it by choice. i just left my rehab and had nowhere to go so a family friend let me stay with himn and he was into scientology .

    i did enjoy all the lovely females that worked at the center. people were nice too.

    you sound young.

    ive been to 10 rehabs and been homeless many times. if you ever need to go to a rehab/ go to salvation army in downtown san diego. its free and its chill. ya they make you work and its christian based but its the best rehab ive been to
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    I think real Christians is always the best choice. For me absolutely. For real Christians they try to walk Jesus path. Which is the best in my eyes. They do not care what you have done, they judge you not and they do not want to make money with you.
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    Wow that's insane OP.. good lord

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