RCs Clonazolam (Clonitrazolam)

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Yeah the vile smelled like some other solvents besides PC were used.

I went to see my doctor and told him the truth. The swelling had gone down a little but he gave me some antibiotics just to be safe.
God a nice long lecture too.

I have used more benzos than every one of my friends put together, (not bragging here) and 1-2mg of this stuff has me gone. I used Xanax, Valium, klonopin and ativan before. And then I discovered "RC" benzos and bought 90 1mg Etizolam and ate through them in a week. Not my favorite benzo, but cheap. Then I discovered Cloanzolam and bought a vile of the liquid to try. While I was blacked out I ordered 150 pills of it, and 250mg of the pure powder. Don't rember anything.


If I'd had any heroin/opiates lying around I'd proally be dead right now. I feel like an idiot for shooting up fucking c-lam lol.


BTW this stuff is THE MOST addictive, compulsive redosing, and dangerous benzo I have ever experienced DO NOT KEEP LARGE AMMOUNTS AROUND!!!! Be warned. There is next to no pharm info on this drug and I feel the half life has got to be around 20-30 hours. Do not take more than 0.25-.5mg for sleep (or ajusted for tolerance) if you have stuff to do in the morning.

Well, you haven't tried that many benzos in the past, so your friends only tried 1 one or two. Your experience shows you haven't had Triazolam or Nitrazepam before, both available through the pen of a doctor. Halcion (triazolam) is definitely, insanely more re-dosing prone than other benzos, lasts 1h30 max, feels like clonazolam but like if you had 4mg of it with a 0.25mg pill, all compressed in that tiny window of 1h30, maybe 2 hours. Normally people fall asleep and don't do nothing though. Who told you clonazolam was IV'able? I don't follow this PG trend, which is supposed to make it injectable? Still there's no point in IV'ing benzos? Outside my clonazolam comes in gelcaps at 0.5mg. I never had to split the dosing unlike the Flubromazolam gelcaps I have right now which at 1mg are insane, just insane, it brought back all that made me love benzos. I picked my cell phone and called all of my friends, whether it had been 2 years I talked to them or not since I got flub-lam.

Let's say that when I got on ORT, first the dilaudid and hydormorphcontin IV'ing...had I revealed that to any friend, I would have been made a pariah by ALL of my friends except maybe one or two, who never IV'd, but know I'm no dummy and what I've studied in. Then when I got on methadone I had a girlfriend for 2 years, cocooned with her and my dexedrine script for when some action was needed, and then when I got on suboxone, the stuff makes me antisocial and I'm working again so there you go. My benzo scripts weren't making me social like how they help killing social anxiety normally. Flub-lam is so strong it makes me actually enjoy spending a couple hours with a friend/get out of my bubble. The only shame is i'm never ever gonna get these 1mg caps ever again, they're outta the market.

Also, spending so much energy just to IV a benzo....with such results Stick to eating your pills, unless midazolam/loprazolam pills you lucky euros.

 

[mankind]

When you get sick of that misery (having 20mg xanax at night only to be able to sleep and feel normal and not fall into seizure), I'm sure your generous doctor will be able to switch you to valium or librium in massive quantity and taper you away. At best, be switched to Clonazepam, it's actually a seizure med too, and its max dosage is 20mg and lasts much longer than xanax and is as strong/difficult to get off of ( I got off clonazepam with valium, not entirely, still on 20mg valium, but from all the 2mg clonazepam pills I was eating, it felt like a huge cloud I didn't even know existed in my brain disappeared... This is not sustainable and we can't really use RC benzos as a crutch, they're almost all bound to be banned, in all countries? Most likely not, Phenazepam is still welcome in Canada, and the only vendor I know who has it sells it in powder, along with Alprazolam powder, yet, a really safe site, according to the now defunct safeorscam. There will be no way to verify new vendors other than that sketch forum chemsrus, which while not being flooded with gay porn, suffers DDOS attacks and the like. It's still the place and only place I found a discount code for a place I've used a long time.

I just made myself sad about the safeorscam thing.

I only wish this was doctor prescribed, and no doctor in thier right mind is going to give me to dosages I need to maintain.

I took another 10mg of Clonazolam and I suppose maybe I am starting to feel it? I am every so slightly having coordination problems. Very slight slurring of words, etc.

So this kinda sucks that I went through a 1/3 of a 30mg bottle of nothing to write home about.

 

[CosmicG]

There is no way you took that much and felt nothing. Find better sources.

 

[crunkazcanbe]

Ok guys I Just got a call from the methadone clinic I was trying to get into today saying To come in Monday to start on my methadone maintenance program . Will they see clona in my piss or blood ,and deny me my methadone I need really badly . I almost didn't get into the methadone clinic today because when I drove there the lady told me where not accepting any new patients ,and told me I would have to drive two cities over to get to a clinic accepting new patients . Well I called the lady back after looking all day for a methadone clinic closer ,and she felt sory for me having to drive so far so she talked to the DR / manager of the clinic and somehow managed to get me into it. So yay on that I am just worried if they will see this benzo . I am sure they will start me on a low dose of just 30mg so do you think with my tolerance to clona this benzo 2mg aday ,and it just keeps me out of benzo WD It will be fine to keep taking with the meth ? Or should I start a taper plan with the benzo starting now ?

 

[itsonlyme123]

C-lam won't show in a benzo test. I had to get a stash of diclaz in order to test positive and hopefully eventually get on a scripted benzo taper

 

[speedballs_over]

Glad to hear you're getting into the clinic. We aren't allowed to discuss testing.

I'll share my experience with several clinics: on intake it was always revealed I'd used many other substances the prior week, they always, w/o exception, told me to either produce a prescription or not to use X,Y & Z again or I'll risk my status.

That said, if there's one class of substance that US clinics tend to hammer down on it's benzos. You likely know this already.

Just do what they ask, be honest and if they deny you admission, return when you can meet the criteria. I hope that helps. Methadone is a godsend for some. Maybe bupe though would be a better avenue as there's often a little more leway with what else you are prescribed.

 

[CosmicG]

I just drop and assume it's about .25 mgs

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Ok guys I Just got a call from the methadone clinic I was trying to get into today saying To come in Monday to start on my methadone maintenance program . Will they see clona in my piss or blood ,and deny me my methadone I need really badly . I almost didn't get into the methadone clinic today because when I drove there the lady told me where not accepting any new patients ,and told me I would have to drive two cities over to get to a clinic accepting new patients . Well I called the lady back after looking all day for a methadone clinic closer ,and she felt sory for me having to drive so far so she talked to the DR / manager of the clinic and somehow managed to get me into it. So yay on that I am just worried if they will see this benzo . I am sure they will start me on a low dose of just 30mg so do you think with my tolerance to clona this benzo 2mg aday ,and it just keeps me out of benzo WD It will be fine to keep taking with the meth ? Or should I start a taper plan with the benzo starting now ?

If you got a bottle of the clonazepam, or even better, docs do that, some charge like 20 bucxks to write you a letter saying that your tolerance to clonazepam happened much before your need to go to a methadone clinic, that you wouldn't help the patient by removing the benzo but actually harm him or her even if give methadone. Then the deduction from the doctor on why you needed clonazepam everyday. It is 300% better if the clonazepam was scripted by a neurologist for seizures.

 

[itsonlyme123]

I had a bunch of weekly tests over the course of 4 months. Clonazolam did not show at all. I was scripted ativan and given a detailed report of the substances detected an clonazolam was a no show, not even any clonazepam tested for showed any positives. Very intriguing. Flubromazepam didn't show any positives either.

Somebody posted on bluelight abut 4 novel benzos that wont show on tests

 

[itsonlyme123]

Somebody posted on bluelight abut 4 novel benzos that wont show on tests

Silly me, we're on bluelight

 

[itsonlyme123]

SWIM
j)

Don't know him!!!!

 

[itsonlyme123]

Also, forgot to add...

SWIM drug tested myself at my treatment facility tonight out of curiosity to confirm whether or not these thieno-benzos test positive. The DO test positive, at least clonazolam and E-tiz will test positive for benzos and it's a 12-panel test since the facility doesn't take UDS lightly. It was a ballsy move on SWIM's part, but he was diligent and careful to dispose of the test in a safe and effective manner. Please do whatever necessary to obtain clean urine (SWIM recommends clear test - google them) as it's cheap, works for both men and women and arrives in discreet packaging in a timely manner.

Stay safe everyone.

B-G (adj)

C-Lam won't test poz

 

[itsonlyme123]

Are you referring to a 12-panel? It's my job to give these as well as property searches, pat downs, etc. and I know my profession. I'm not disputing you as it would make my day, but I could take a pic of a failed tested later today when SWIM goes into work to provide visual evidence. I hope you're right though! Thanks much for the advice brother!

B-G (adj)

Please stop using SWIM!!

I use C-lam daily and had to swap to Diclaz to get a positive test so I could a taper.

It has something to do with C-lam being a novel benzo and as such it doesn't metabolize into anything like many other benzos.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Diclaze is pretty sweet IMO. It's not too recreational but has Some pretty decent muscle relaxation and I find it great for sleep. Its a god send for those who are not able to acquire Valium to taper off these RC benzo's. I did a slow six month taper to get off of high dose etiz and it was fairly painless. I was only able to stay clean two months due to a stressful job but so it goes. I've been taking ~3mgs of this daily as an etiz replacement since you don't have to keep re-dosing like you do with etiz. I'm about switch over to diclaze and taper my way down again(hopefully this time it sticks)

 

[itsonlyme123]

itsonlyme123,

How do you feel about diclaz? I've never tried and been very curious. I will be ordering more of an assortment next week and would like some feedback from someone who can provide direct, accurate info. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated and in the meantime I'll check for a diclaz thread to read up.

Thanks in advance,

BG/adj.

Mileage varies but clonaz is very anxyiolitic snd euphoric for me. Diclaz is very hypnotic/sedative at around 4mg for me but aldo anxyiolitic the dsy after without much hangover to spesk of.

 

[Mad Dash]

you said you were also on estiz correct? how do you know what the 12-panel showed positive results for?

 

[dez79]

You shouldn't be taking benzos all day every day, if that isn't obvious enough. They don't do much in the long term, you just get more anxious because of withdrawals. Take them when you have a panic attack, not as a precaution!

That may be in your situation but some people NEED a benzo everyday or they lose their fkn mind !

 

[roi]

That may be in your situation but some people NEED a benzo everyday or they lose their fkn mind !

That's what a benzo addict would say. What did people do before there were benzos? Grow some balls?

 

[speedballs_over]

That's what a benzo addict would say. What did people do before there were benzos? Grow some balls?

This is not intended to be an arrogant reply or to start a disagreement, just pointing out some cases that conflict with the above post. I write this in the spirit of healthy, HR focused debate.

While there is a lot of truth to the above, there are legitimate exceptions. Let's not 'ban' a drug b/c of it's properties of addiction and w/d syndromes, nor its potential to fuck up cognition over the long term (spoiler alert - this is why I favor clonazepam for most people.)

In the past people: turned to alcohol and/or other drugs that led them to continue to be or become worthless to everyone. Kill themselves. Go insane. Learn to live with it. Live a life of agoraphobia, paranoia, fear and constant anxiety. Become recluses which as we kind of know tends to drive most people somewhat insane.

Some find a safe alternative that is also a mild intoxicant that can be effectively used to relieve anxiety - cannabis!

Medically, best practices as of today dictate that for most people with mild to moderate GAD/Panic/other psych issues, benzos are to be used short term only (a month, maybe two), at low doses while concurrently working in earnest, and at the right time, with a trusted and skilled therapist or religious leader - thinking Buddhist meditation, mindfulness through spiritual or religious means, etc... - and deal with anxiety in daily life through the techniques these people are trained and successful at teaching others. This is the current ideal, intended use of these substances per their FDA approval, when we speak of treating anxiety spectrum disorders.

Anti-seizure, hypnotic, amnesic pre-surgery usage is different, and very valid. But that's not what we're discussing.

A small portion of all people benefit greatly from benzos taken indefinitely. Primarily, to my knowledge, to use them to function and maintain their integration to society at large - to be able to get out the door without panic attacks despite years of HQ therapy and every other effort to try to get by without them.

This usually requires years of hard work and lots of tries with various psychologists/therapists to determine. Solely working with a psychiatrist, if you're in the US - you will likely find yourself offered a potentially harmful,possibly successful SSRIs/SNRIs. Sometimes these do not work as well or come with life limiting side effects that for them benzos do not. Sometimes they work "great" - in quotes b/c I know nobody for whom this has happened but have read of such cases.

This was my case - I tried everything else that I and my therapist and psychologist felt reasonable before determining long term benao therapy was required for me to live a fulfilling, socially integrated lifestyle. I am now tapering after decades taking one of various benzos at a time, chronically. I continued my work on handling anxiety without benzos., with a wonderful therapist. I've tapered before and turned back into a hermit, unable to drive, socialize, even make a phone call. No shit. I have great hopes that my current slow, very gentle taper will allow me to be free of benzos, but if not then I have no problem with lifelong clonazepam treatment.

Lifetime treatment with a benzo is possibly the best route for a small portion of the population - a much smaller proportion than those chronically prescribed benzos today. I'd favor Klonopin for most of these this situations, but these cases should be definite outliers. Not the norm, as it is today.

Otherwise, best to let them be, they aren't good for getting high. The best use I can think of "off label" is for sleep, again very short term, and to treat people with severe, acute or chronic PTSD. We do not need our returning soldiers to continue to blow their brains out b/c they do not have access to good therapy, something other than SSRIs and all the other hassles of dealing with the VA, to not be offered a benzo to see if it will help, Thank all the benzo abusers out there for this situation.

So, yeah, fuck unnecessary use of this class of drugs.

 

[roi]

I didn't mean to offend anyone, it's just that being dependant on a drug to "function" causes more problems than it solves. Especially when it comes to self medicating with benzodiazepines.