John Lewis
Ex-Bluelighter
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That could cause enough brain damage to lead to mental health problems?
That could cause enough brain damage to lead to mental health problems?
How come you didn't address the toxic metabolites found in the urine of people who had taken MDMA?
Not saying that this disproves what you're saying but I just thought it was interesting that you didn't address the studies.
Exactly. For all we know the problems brought to us by the users of this forum could be from adulterants.
So far studies with only mdma has found little negatives.
Who is to say that everyone bringing issues to us on this forum have taken only MDMA and not adulterated pills?
I dunno.....food for thought.
To answer some of the previous questions, I made this thread because a moderator demanded proof.
In the I'm scared thread and in one before. I responded that ecstasy doesn't cause brain damage and isn't proven neurotoxic. That may be a bit of an overstatement. I should have said that there is not strong evidence that MDMA causes brain damage to date.
because.. It is the fact of how powerful the drug is. Cannabis can bring out underlying problems like psychosis if you were predisposed otherwise extremely low chance. MDMA CAN AND WILL CAUSE problems like anxiety is a huge one. I have read countless posts where E user's suffered from anxiety attacks including my self. I already linked the video where it showed anxiety is related to low levels of serotonin. EVERYONE HAS LOW LEVELS OF SEROTONIN AFTER ROLLING. Hence many people get anxiety and some deal with it better. Also if you have never felt this sort of anxiety you are bound to have a panick attack from it. I can take your guys counters all day, fact of the matter MDMA is truly a brain banging drug. Not only that you will be in a forced depressive state because your brain is robbed of its feel good chemical serotonin, and then you have to feel like shit and wait until your serotonin stores slowly recover. Even with moderation its doing nasty nasty in your brain. I have read countless studies and have personal experience from responsible use with preloading and post loading.Cannabis can and does cause problems including psychosis... or does it just bring out underlying problems including psychosis?
MDMA can and does cause problems including long term depressive states... or does it just bring out underlying problems including long term depressive states?
Which is cause and which is effect? There's evidence for either or both being true in both cases so why is the MDMA research suggesting it's the cause true cos it agrees with what you believe and the cannabis research that suggest cannabis is the cause clearly false cos it disagrees with what you believe?
Just wondering...
I'd say no drug is without risks - especially when abused - and that includes cannabis.
Cannabis can and does cause problems including psychosis... or does it just bring out underlying problems including psychosis?
MDMA can and does cause problems including long term depressive states... or does it just bring out underlying problems including long term depressive states?
Which is cause and which is effect? There's evidence for either or both being true in both cases so why is the MDMA research suggesting it's the cause true cos it agrees with what you believe and the cannabis research that suggest cannabis is the cause clearly false cos it disagrees with what you believe?
Just wondering...
I'd say no drug is without risks - especially when abused - and that includes cannabis.
One more thing, I live in the US where things are strict, and i can walk down 2 streets and smoke pot at a club medically. That's because they have found no lasting damage with pot and it is able to be used long term medically with basically very minor side effects. You think this would be possible if pot caused psychosis and as much cognitive problems as you say it does? NO, once again get your head out of your ass. I don't like people disrespecting pot with stupid statements. Do you know why pot is the most widely used drug, its because everyone knows it doesn't do shit to you, no hang over or comedown, no lasting damage ( minor memory problems that aren't very noticeable), no physical addiction, pretty much VERY minor things. The only way you really get any negatives from pot is when you abuse it (me) but it still is SO minor and subtle.
Cannabis can bring out underlying problems like psychosis if you were predisposed otherwise extremely low chance.
Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the major psychoactive component of marijuana, is toxic for hippocampal neurons. Treatment of cultured neurons or hippocampal slices with THC caused shrinkage of neuronal cell bodies and nuclei as well as genomic DNA strand breaks, hallmarks of neuronal apoptosis.
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There is evidence of psychiatric, respiratory, cardiovascular, and bone toxicity associated with chronic cannabis use. Cannabis has now been implicated in the etiology of many major long-term psychiatric conditions including depression, anxiety, psychosis, bipolar disorder, and an amotivational state. Respiratory conditions linked with cannabis include reduced lung density, lung cysts, and chronic bronchitis. Cannabis has been linked in a dose-dependent manner with elevated rates of myocardial infarction and cardiac arrythmias. It is known to affect bone metabolism and also has teratogenic effects on the developing brain following perinatal exposure. Cannabis has been linked to cancers at eight sites, including children after in utero maternal exposure, and multiple molecular pathways to oncogenesis exist. CONCLUSION: Chronic cannabis use is associated with psychiatric, respiratory, cardiovascular, and bone effects. It also has oncogenic, teratogenic, and mutagenic effects all of which depend upon dose and duration of use.
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Heavy, long-term cannabis use may result in minor structural abnormalities in the brain as well as some subclinical effects on memory and mental health, according to research published in the Archives of General Psychiatry...
In the cannabis using group, the hippocampus was an average of 12% smaller and the amygdala an average of 7.1% smaller, by volume, compared with those who had not used cannabis. Cannabis users were also more likely to have subthreshold symptoms of psychosis and performed significantly more poorly on tests of verbal memory...
Today's research challenges the belief that chronic cannabis use has no major neurotoxic effects. Extremely heavy, long-term use may affect brain structures and possibly have an impact on memory and mental health.
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MDMA CAN AND WILL CAUSE problems like anxiety is a huge one.
I have read countless posts where E user's suffered from anxiety attacks including my self.
Not only that you will be in a forced depressive state because your brain is robbed of its feel good chemical serotonin, and then you have to feel like shit and wait until your serotonin stores slowly recover. Even with moderation its doing nasty nasty in your brain. I have read countless studies and have personal experience from responsible use with preloading and post loading.
Also haven't you guys ever noticed all these posts of people crying about how ecstasy damaged their brain, changed them, made them a zombie, and caused so many complications with them.
... when ever someone posts about E its solely on how it damaged their brain beyond repair.
Keep debating with me please.