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Stimulants Amphetamine - The Drug You Learn to Hate

Very good post. I would say right now I am between stage four and stage five. A few weeks ago amphetamines stopped working for me I no longer get the euphoria or motivation even when taking larger doses that just leads now to brain fog. I normally take 60mg Vyvanse in the morning and 30-50mg Adderall throughout the day. 2 weeks ago I started 70mg Vyvanse in the morning vs 60 and it?s as if it didn?t even work at all. At first I thought maybe I got the wrong prescription but instead of my normal morning euphoria/energy boost I just got lethargic, anxiety and brain fog. The past few days I dumped a little Vyvanse out of the 70mg cap(probably 10-15mg) and I notice no difference. Same lethargy and brain fog. I just randomly started getting this brain fog and complete loss of desire to do anything. I experimented with a few things. 1.) low dose benzo .25-.5mg Xanax eliminates the anxiety and about 50% if the brain fog but lethargy is a little worse. 2.) one small hit of cannabis actually helps with the brain fog but more than a hit or two doesn?t help. But regardless nothing is helping so far in regards to lethargy and motivation.
 
Hello,

Ive been using Adderall for about a year now.

However, at some point, I began not to feel the effects of the drug.

Is this common?

Is there a remedy?

Thanks,
-Pick

Josh Pickeral
 
First of all, welcome to Bluelight Josh.

The remedy for a tolerance, is a tolerance break (not using), or an increase in dose.

I recommend going to T-break option. Taper down slowly.
 
How many times a week were you using? How many times within those days would you dose? What dose what you take each day? Do you sleep every night? Do you eat during the days you use and I'm not just talkin a granola bar lol. I'm only asking these question to better help you with advice as I was once on Adderall/Vyvanse and this same thing effected me and was a turning point in my use. Just trynna help ya out homie
 
Yeah, i binge meth often and it's pretty hard comedown but being Bipolar i'm real used to it TBH.

I'd rather a amphetamine comedown any day over opioids.
 
tripoflife said:
You registered in August and have 501 posts to your name. You told me you can tell I'm a tweaker due to my capitalisation - well Sir, your post count is the teller for me that you're a tweaker too ;). Have a good day!
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To be fair, a high post count in a short amount of time doesn't always mean the poster is a tweaker or even active drug user at that time.

Some of us are just really obsessive in our hobbies, bluelight being one of them ;)

And it probably isn't unusual for someone who is bipolar to go through periods of heavy posting.

But I saw your ;) so I know you were not being mean or anything. I'm just rambling really...
 
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Oh no, just he told me he could tell I'm a tweaker so I was just writing regarding that, no mean intentions!

I like your username, I've never tried MDPV because of the fact it's known for causing psychosis easier than other stimulants - your username definitely tells the truth. I assume you've experienced psychosis from MDVP? :p
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Yes, too many times. Was using on and off for like 8 years. A few of my heavier binges lead to psychosis, some of which required hospitalization and/or law enforcement intervention. Was a shitty embarrassing time of my life but I just couldn't get myself to stop going back and using again. I even managed to use daily for ~3 years at the end and managed to control my use well enough to avoid psychosis for those three years... well Mostly, anyways, my grip on reality during that time was pretty weak.
 
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Yes, too many times. Was using on and off for like 8 years. A few of my heavier binges lead to psychosis, some of which required hospitalization and/or law enforcement intervention. Was a shitty embarrassing time of my life but I just couldn't get myself to stop going back and using again. I even managed to use daily for ~3 years at the end and managed to control my use well enough to avoid psychosis for those three years... well Mostly, anyways, my grip on reality during that time was pretty weak.
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I only got a hold of some MDPV once in the OG bath salt days, might have been mixed with meph but never been that high in my life other than dissociatives, totally blasted for 3 days on a 20 bag.
 
Couple years late but oh well 🤣

I was put on adderall back in elementary school (2003ish) and did great until my senior year when all my friends would binge adderall etc. Being the dumbass I was at the time I started doing so as well and did it for years to follow. Back in high school and up to about 3 years ago I was outgoing as hell now I do believe I've fucked myself and am the polar opposite of who I was. I'd run through 2,000mg of adderall/vyvanse or any type of stimulant in a matter of 2 1/2 days. Self control is not my strong point. Don't do dumb shit like I did. You'll thank me later.
 
This is a very interesting post that I agree wholeheartedly with. I believe I was at stage 7 or 8 when I gave up amphetamines. They now make me more distracted than if not taking them. It’s harder to focus on a task and amphetamines give me a sense of ADD and procrastination these days with no feel good feelings or anything, just negative side effects.

For 3 months I took doses of 100-200 mg a day and that’s what drastically pushed me through the stages
 
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I am a heavy daily user, and all the stages you list appear to happen in a week or two, shit I've been getting high every day for years. Once in the past year have I gone longer than one day without it. Where I live its so commonplace, you only have to look around you when in public to see other meth addicts... I will admit, its a motherfucker to try and stop, and from what Ive read maybe you should, but if you are that fucked up already anyway then what's the point in stopping now? On the other hand, if you want to change your life and doing drugs is what you need to stop doing, then go for it...
 
I am surprised so many people over the years commenting on this post gave it such credence referring to it as though it was some absolute set of stages everyone using will go through. Just within the comments alone, there was demonstrated a wide diversity of experiences, histories and habits, a great many in no way resembling the OP's stages.

The OP wrote what amounts to a journal entry about his perception at the time, of his own experiences with stimulants, but then he declared it a universal truth. I found it odd how many people just accepted it as a real and inevitable process based on the writings of one unhappy stranger on the internet. I'm sure most people who use can relate in some ways to at least a bit of hs list, but there were so many people who immediately started constructing narratives of their own lives with the stages as a guiding and biasing lens. Generally, people are known for being suggestable as well as having a tendency to over relate, especially if they are being offered something sounding orderly and authoritative.

Of course, the addiction/recovery business has a long proud tradition of doing the same thing, just composing their own addiction narratives and calling them absolute truths. It is one of the baffling things about the recovery biz, the way they all insist that everyone is identical, their addictions are identical, their shortcomings identical, their treatment regime identical.

Most people I know who use stimulants or any other substances don't fit at all into this narrative of inevitable progression into the abyss. Bluelight seems usually to be such a sensible place, I don't know why they would leave a post up where someone has made unsupported claims, labelling their subjective viewpoint a universal process, bolstered with the vague assertion that they have done research? Many people who read this were very young and impressionable. Fear Mongering is not harm reduction.
 
Japhy Ryder said:
I am surprised so many people over the years commenting on this post gave it such credence referring to it as though it was some absolute set of stages everyone using will go through. Just within the comments alone, there was demonstrated a wide diversity of experiences, histories and habits, a great many in no way resembling the OP's stages.

The OP wrote what amounts to a journal entry about his perception at the time, of his own experiences with stimulants, but then he declared it a universal truth. I found it odd how many people just accepted it as a real and inevitable process based on the writings of one unhappy stranger on the internet. I'm sure most people who use can relate in some ways to at least a bit of hs list, but there were so many people who immediately started constructing narratives of their own lives with the stages as a guiding and biasing lens. Generally, people are known for being suggestable as well as having a tendency to over relate, especially if they are being offered something sounding orderly and authoritative.

Of course, the addiction/recovery business has a long proud tradition of doing the same thing, just composing their own addiction narratives and calling them absolute truths. It is one of the baffling things about the recovery biz, the way they all insist that everyone is identical, their addictions are identical, their shortcomings identical, their treatment regime identical.

Most people I know who use stimulants or any other substances don't fit at all into this narrative of inevitable progression into the abyss. Bluelight seems usually to be such a sensible place, I don't know why they would leave a post up where someone has made unsupported claims, labelling their subjective viewpoint a universal process, bolstered with the vague assertion that they have done research? Many people who read this were very young and impressionable. Fear Mongering is not harm reduction.
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Unfortunately stimulant addiction and especially stimulant treatment and recovery are terribly under-researched. A lot of what is known is adapted from animal rather than human studies and those human studies that do exist are very small and tend to use very small dosages to construct their tests - very far from real world practice. Though its hardly surprising from an ethical perspective. I’m not saying there is no useful research on amphetamine addiction, treatment and recovery - just that there is so little of it that there is a lot of scope for people to make all kinds of fanciful claims about various aspects of it (or about the whole process as in the case with OP in this thread).

The fact that so many people bought into the OP’s theory/model suggests there are some recognisable elements in it for many people and that they possibly feel they are on such a doom-laden trajectory even if they have not gone through any or most of the stages he posited.

Without wanting to fear monger, it does seem to be a fact that stimulant users have very high failure rates in recovery (measured by re-use after treatment when stated intention was not to). Many users reading OP have probably had several goes at quitting and, having failed, felt the inevitability of their addiction keeping a hold on them and potentially getting worse. But there are many recovery stories that paint a different trajectory and where people master their addiction at a relatively early stage.

When I was at my worst addicted to IV coke, I would have believed the OP’s model was God’s honest truth as it seemed that was where I was going but an intervention by family and some good psychiatry put me on a clean trajectory for many years (though I now have found love in other stims).
 
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Japhy Ryder said:
I don't know why they would leave a post up where someone has made unsupported claims, labelling their subjective viewpoint a universal process, bolstered with the vague assertion that they have done research? Many people who read this were very young and impressionable. Fear Mongering is not harm reduction.
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One of the reasons BL exists is to record the whole range of subjective experiences of drugs users and to promote discussion through the exploration of that. Much like you're doing here.

If it leads to people questioning or reforming their own preconceived notions through the experiences, thoughts and opinions of others, then it's likely performing a useful function.

In terms of this thread specifically, the OP clearly states in the first paragraph [bolding by myself]:

SpunkySkunk347 said:
This is all mostly through self-experience although I am also researching a bit on the topic.
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That so many others appear to relate to what the OP wrote suggests it has some salience for them too.

If people choose to then interpret that snowballing/bandwaggoning as if the OP has therefore uncovered a universally true process, all others can do is remind them that isn't the case.
 
CFC said:
One of the reasons BL exists is to record the whole range of subjective experiences of drugs users and to promote discussion through the exploration of that. Much like you're doing here.

If it leads to people questioning or reforming their own preconceived notions through the experiences, thoughts and opinions of others, then it's likely performing a useful function.

In terms of this thread specifically, the OP clearly states in the first paragraph [bolding by myself]:



That so many others appear to relate to what the OP wrote suggests it has some salience for them too.

If people choose to then interpret that snowballing/bandwaggoning as if the OP has therefore uncovered a universally true process, all others can do is remind them that isn't the case.
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Well, the OP doesn't say here were my phases of deterioration, he says these are the phases of amphetamine use. He is mistakenly or just arrogantly labelling his subjective personal narrative as an objective truth: a normal, predictable process. This is misinformation and many respondents were clearly misled, influenced and biased by it. Some kind of disclaimer might be useful if this sort of deceptive post is to stay, and with such longevity--this deceptively adds to the illusionary air of authority.
 
Japhy Ryder said:
Well, the OP doesn't say here were my phases of deterioration, he says these are the phases of amphetamine use. He is mistakenly or just arrogantly labelling his subjective personal narrative as an objective truth: a normal, predictable process. This is misinformation and many respondents were clearly misled, influenced and biased by it. Some kind of disclaimer might be useful if this sort of deceptive post is to stay, and with such longevity--this deceptively adds to the illusionary air of authority.
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I'm not sure why you're perceiving any more an air of authority from this particular BLer sharing his/her thoughts, opinions and experiences than anyone else who posts here. I'd say a majority (or at least significant minority) of the posts on BL and, frankly, most other sites - drugs or otherwise - are often written in the way you describe above, with a tremendous, sometimes overbearing, confidence and faith in their own views and the interpretations of their - and other's - subjective thoughts, feelings, experiences and even events ;)

Clearly we aren't - nor ever will be - capable of vetting or inserting disclaimers into the posts of every user who writes like that or who claims something others don't agree with or feel isn't supported with sufficient studies or rigorous scientific theory or [insert reasons here]. Thus, the 'disclaimer' to not interpret things as if they came direct from the mouths of 'professional' researchers, doctors or specialists comes as the default standard for all information shared here.

BL has never sought to masquerade as a highly professional resource bursting with thoroughly objective, painstakingly referenced material - we're a very informal, user-driven, non-professional website. That informality is built in to the very core of BL's mission, which is to freely encourage the discussion among regular drugs users of otherwise often rather taboo and poorly researched or understood subjects. Which is precisely what the OP to this thread has done - nothing more, nothing less.

However, if a user strongly believes that the information in a thread or post is poor or desperately in need of correcting, they always have the option to respond directly with their own posts or threads. While not perfect, it's a system that does generally work over time to distill a kind-of consensus, and has dramatically fewer overheads or requirements for professional vetting and oversight than would attempting to censor users or insert essentially redundant disclaimers into their posts.
 
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