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Yeah, the experience was ok after the first two hours when I finally stopped coming up and realized that maybe I was overreacting.DarkCode said:Hey, don't you love that feeling though when your sitting and you zone out and your mind warms and its a weird pleasurable throbbing sensation, ahh man, I love that. Ritalin / Adderal are up there, next to coke.
SpunkySkunk347 said:Yeah, the experience was ok after the first two hours when I finally stopped coming up and realized that maybe I was overreacting.
Coming down wasnt really fun and wasnt worth the euphoria.
I shouldn't have jumped to 60mg even though to some people that really isn't that high of a dose.
It is a dangerous drug though, it's a combination of 4 different amphetamines. Some people get an idea in their head (i was one of them) that it is a weak drug that is prescribed for a disorders like ADD and somehow that makes it less powerful than an illegal drug like big bad cocaine.
I am almost pretty sure though that as the media attention grows on adderall and other uppers it will be illegalized and added to people's lists of "big bad drugs"
SpunkySkunk347 said:But the problem is that some people who do drugs during their teenage years dont ever really mature past that point.
It's also good to see a little bit of support and a post that wasnt offensive or not intentionally offensive.
Spunkyskunk said:Yeah no offence taken I totally understand what you are saying and agree with you.
But the problem is that some people who do drugs during their teenage years dont ever really mature past that point.
DarkCode said:Media attention? What media attention? I don't see any negative media things running about the drug. Pharmaceutical companies make too much money off this thing, the fact its one of the most prescribed ADHD treatments next to Ritalin, ect, is showing something.
Btw, you shouldn't just quit drugs in general from one experience. I know your gonna be responding back, "but hey, its my choice, just realized something in myself", well think of it this way. If you were into experimentation before, your gonna be into it in the future, expect to within a month, if that, but maybe more, you'll be back into doing the same old stuff. Sometimes taking too much of something can scare someone, but not necessarily take them away from something completely. I mean, I may have OD'd on ecstasy once, and I tell all my friends I won't touch it, but when it comes down to it, I'm craving (not physically), just to try it again, its a fun drug, just really "toxic" so to speak, to your body. Causes the deterioration of your brain function.
Btw, when you mentioned that the drugs that are illegal are illegal because of the risks they may pose to your health. Well, all I gotta say is, thats the smallest part to the basis for their reasoning. The DEA looks to ban new drugs not because of health reasons but because of politics. They ban substances people are using in good numbers, no matter if its legal or not, just so that they can say to the American people "we are fighting a war on drugs and shall continue to do so". Remember, the original bannings back in the turn of the 20th century, well, Cocaine, Heroin, Morphine, ect, all used to be very legal, and very heavily used. But because of problems with women being addicted to heroin / morphine, gringo's smoking marijuana, blacks doing coke to stay up at night, all the drugs got banned to win votes in the next election. Progressives ended up seeing physical abuse against women as a direct result of alcohol, but it isn't, thats why prohibition was reversed. You need to understand, theres the few that abuse, and for everyone else thats responsible, there fine. Sure body chemistry may change over time in some ways, but that chemical difference isn't always as significant as you think. Don't say because a few people overdosed drugs are bad. You can overdose from anything, water, even sugar. Nuff said.
Beenhead said:I do, however, pretty much guantee that after this episode has subsided in your mind you may feel the urge to try drugs again. If not that excellent for you, and Im glad you learned something. If you do decide to experiemnt more, you should me much more mature about it, and learn your lessons. This board is here for this very reason, drugs are dangerous and people need help making decisions about their use. Calling every one her junkies was wrong. Is Xorkoth a junkie? Hey may like is kratom tea, but that dont make him a junkie. What about Fastandbulbous? He's one of the smartest people Ive ever talked to. Smyth, Dr. Heckyl, these are all brilliant people who help others make sound decisions. And I cant forget Church, my Florida compadre . So I suggest to you you take what you want out of this and be glad it wasnt really that bad. 60mgs is not too much, but Set and setting, I believe played its roll here. You go an Idea stuck in your mind and it escalated to panic.
SpunkySkunk347 said:It's not that I am scared of drugs at all. ...or getting a laced batch.
SpunkySkunk347 said:When I mentioned why I think drugs are illegal, I never disagreed with you. I even mentioned that a lot of the drug laws are biased. But still the very core reason why I think they are illegal is for health reasons. Even though some of it may be government scandals.
...SpunkySkunk347 said:I am for legalization for drugs and everything else.
SpunkySkunk347 said:What do you mean the body chemistry doesnt change that much? Eventually your body becomes used to the dopamine release of drugs and sooner or later you will need drugs just for your dopamine levels to be stable.
SpunkySkunk347 said:It is a dangerous drug though, it's a combination of 4 different amphetamines. "
SpunkySkunk347 said:I think any person who took some pills thinking they wouldnt do shit but ends up tripping balls would atleast have a minor freak out.
Well, a look at the adderall trip reports on erowid will reveal people going into the 100mg+ range and still being quite fine.Beenhead said:Well, you looked at Erowid and saw that 30mgs was a normal dose with good euphoria. I dont think that by taking twice Erowid's reccomendation for a beginner
you thought that "nothing" would happen. Im not trying to be an asshole, because I beilieve you have learned your lesson, and are nothing like some of the dumb kids who do stupid shit and brag about it here. But, Erowid doesnt just put random bullshit on their page so wont get a buzz. It just really showed youre inexperience and that "invincible nature" teenagers have. Next time, I suggest you listen to Erowid, that was a foolish mistake.
Im glad, though, that there are kids like you who actually learn from their mistakes. Believe me, there are plenty of dumbasses here that have made worse mistakes than you, and didnt learn a thing. If anything this will make you more mature, hopefully.
Who ever said I was out to save the world? I'm just telling a story that has a lesson learned at the end but people have difficulties agreeing with parts of it.morninggloryseed said:If you are going to save the world, at least know what in the heck you are talking about. Clearly when it comes to salts and isomers of amphetamine, you don't.
Adderall has 2 different salts of 2 different isomers of amphetamine. It does not have "4 different amphetamines." 1-phenylpropan-2-amine is 1-phenylpropan-2-amine, regardless of what salt or isomer. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.
I'm going to leave the rest alone because much as already been said...but I have to echo that drugs are not good or bad. They are chemicals with no intentions.
It is the users decisions that are either good or bad...not the drug.
Anyone who makes blanket statements (all drugs are bad and all users will eventually find their doom) such as yours should re-evaluate their views because nothing is black and white. To even lump such diverse things as crack with LSD shows you have not taken much time to make reasonable arguments to back your feelings. I know you stated you have LSD experience, but you still made those blanket statements that do not hold water in every situation.
Your experience is not representative of everyone's. As the old statement goes, your mileage may vary.
What do you mean referring to ecstacy? Almost anything can have a bad batch! Weed laced with pcp, heroin laced with other depressants.canaana said:It's statements like that which make people think you are a misinformed drug user. Of course, you could be referring to "ecstacy" which is a different chemical from MDMA, but that is why smart drug users test their drugs...
I may be mistaken, but did you not previously say that you wanted drugs to be legalized....
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You should also know, if you're so well informed, that not all drugs effect dopamine, or if you somehow thought that dopamine could be used to describe the thousands of neurotransmitters in the brain, that not all drugs are addictive, and with a good drug user's sense of moderation, that even classically "severely addictive" drugs can be used without ending in problems...
SpunkySkunk347 said:Who ever said I was out to save the world? I'm just telling a story that has a lesson learned at the end but people have difficulties agreeing with parts of it.
Yes sorry about the chemistry mistake I guess.
All drugs aren't bad, some drugs can be bad for your health and mind but certainly not all drugs are bad.
I never said all users will fall to their doom! Actually I specifically remember saying that this was not what I meant. Read my posts before you decide to quote them and post in this "i am superior to you" way of posting that you are doing. Why should I re-evaluate my views? They are just a view and if you actually did read my posts (which I dont think you did well enough) you can see that I am not trying to force those views on anyone. It isn't the point of this thread.
You really haven't read my posts at all have you? If you don't think I have reasonable arguements to back my feelings then just don't reply to this thread, I won't take you seriously. You didn't read my posts but then decided to criticize them.
morninggloryseed said:How much adderall are you on now? In your rushed, manic response you managed to ask me four times in one paragraph to read your posts! Settle down...do you have a bite stick so you don't harm yourself?
I don't recall saying I was 'superior' than you, although I certainly have far more life experience than you....just simply because I have been on this earth almost twice as long as you are. I also never claimed your were trying t 'force' your views on anything. Read my post and lay off the stimulants kid!