So did u find it more darker.and sinister than other 4 aco xxx like reports say ? Ive only ever felt that with high doses of 4 aco dmt a feeling like being frightened. I personally dont think 4 aco det will be like that and expect it to be pretty recreational, not too deep, and decently visual ?
WAY LESS darker then 4 aco dmt for me
4 aco det seems very friendly and not bizarre, less alien more gentle while 4 aco dmt is much more weird and scary to me and uncomfortable.
Exactly it sounded very good to me despite all the negative comments i see about it
To be honest, I don't think you guys are talking about what you think you're talking about. I'm one of the the most recent people who's been writing trip reports about how dark and sinister 4-AcO-DET (and 4-HO-DET) can be. But frightening, scary, and uncomfortable are
not words I would use to describe the experience, nor would I say that there's really anything negative about it at all. 4-AcO-DET is beautifully gentle, perhaps the most gentle psychedelic I've taken so far. The darkness has nothing to do with the trip being negative but simply the way that the visuals and the accessible emotional range feel in general. Unlike on a lot of psychedelics where you're nothing but happy and bubbly, on 4-AcO-DET I find it extremely easy to think about the darker sides of life such as death, but the feel of the trip is so warm and welcoming that it actually allows me to make peace with these things by associating positive feelings with them instead of negative ones. Even when I allow my mindset to take me into a complete demon netherworld on 4-AcO-DET, including with demonoid entities (the best description I ever saw in another trip report was DMT entities dressed in demon costumes), it never feels even remotely threatening. As for the ways the visuals actually unfold, their darkness can be compared to high doses of LSD, in that they can get very shadowy and delirious in style in a way distinct from the most typical psychedelic visuals. In some ways, they actually remind me a lot of how 5-MeO-DMT visuals have been described to me, including the frequent flashes of white light, but that one I've never tried myself to make a direct comparison. From my perspective, all of these things are very positive and part of what make the experience unique; I actually tell people that 4-AcO-DET is very dark as one of the main selling points, not to scare them off.
As for quick comparisons based on my own experiences so far....
Fractals: 4-HO-MET > 4-AcO-DET >= 4-AcO-DMT > 4-HO-MiPT
Hyperspace: 4-AcO-DET >= 4-AcO-DMT > 4-HO-MET > 4-HO-MiPT
Visions: 4-AcO-DET > 4-HO-MET > 4-HO-MiPT > 4-AcO-DMT
Euphoria: 4-HO-MET > 4-HO-MiPT > 4-AcO-DMT >= 4-AcO-DET
Dissociation: 4-AcO-DET > 4-HO-MET > 4-HO-MiPT > 4-AcO-DMT
Body Load: 4-HO-MiPT > 4-HO-MET >= 4-AcO-DET ~= 4-AcO-DMT
These may change with future experiences, so take them as you will. Do note that of these four, I have also only had a complete ego death, with feelings of infinity, cognitive disintegration, and blinding white light, on 4-AcO-DET.