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NESSxix
19-07-2002, 17:49
Wow, go see this movie now, being stoned is a big plus too.
So who has seen donnie darko, cause im still not sure what happened in the end.(SPOILERS, DONT READ BEYOND THIS)
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Did he time travel, was he dead all along? was the bunny a hallucination or his friend(cause it was halloween) what a good movie, wow
[ 19 July 2002: Message edited by: NESSxix ]

Wage
23-07-2002, 16:20
Dayum...that movie was HELLA tripped out. It was cool.
Want the ending???
--lemme know...

evsid
23-07-2002, 16:35
*************SPOILER***********************
I got the impression that most of the movie was his fever dream as he was dying, much like the last 15 miunutes of "The Last Temptation of Christ".

Lingo
23-07-2002, 20:03
** MAJOR SPOILERS**
Donnie is alive for the entire movie... right until the end when the jet engine falls through his roof the second time. Frank the rabbit is an apparition from the future, sent to warn Donnie about his destiny, and to show him how to change it. Donnie wasn't supposed to die when the jet engine fell on his bed. He may have escaped death, but doing so brought about a slew of other problems. Once Donnie figured all this out he went back in time and let himself die.
Adios,
Steve

Wage
25-07-2002, 16:07
yEh...what he said

Ludikruz
25-07-2002, 17:36
you have to go to the website if you want to learn more.. there are hidden puzzles that give you info..
i joined the yahoo groups for donnie darko last year and i learned alot about its background.. the book on time travel is also located on the webiste if you pass the puzzles.. it explains ALOT

IvI I C R 0 I=I /-\ VV K
25-07-2002, 19:30
There were 2 different universes. The real one, and the alternate one. But, which one is the real one? Maybe the alternate universe is actually the real one. What a great movie. It keeps you thinking for months after you see it. It's one of my favorites of all time.
Watch the director's commentary on DVD and it will explain it all in great detail.

Idiosynkrasia
29-07-2002, 16:52
I'm really glad to see a discussion on this movie. I rented it a few weeks back and must have watched it 6 or 7 times before returning it. The directors commentary and the deleted scenes provide a lot of insight into some of the unanswered questions. Frank was actually divine intervention, but the director didn't want to push the religion aspect on the viewers so it was left to the imagination. I think Donnie was always supposed to die, Frank was only helping him die with a purpose. Isn't it ironic that Frank was actually Donnie's sisters boyfriend, yet Donnie never realized this. When the jet engine first fell on the house, Donnnie's sister had been with Frank while Donnie was also with "the other" Frank on the golf course. When Frank ran over Donnie's girlfriend he was on his way back to Donnie's party.
Anyway, yeah...great movie.
[ 30 July 2002: Message edited by: Idiosynkrasia ]

Pardoned1
29-07-2002, 19:20
Spoiler*************
Get the DVD it explains quite a bit of what is actually going on. Frank is Donnie's sisters boyfriend. The time travel is what the call it and what it is supposed to be. And at the end yes they do accomplish time travel. The only question I have is does everyone remember the occurance as he does. Watch the end when it shows everyone and their reaction to waking up i.e frank rubbing his eye and jim crying hysterically. what do you think?
Also if you have seen this movie you should also see the ATTIC EXPIDETIONS
[ 29 July 2002: Message edited by: Pardoned1 ]

alasdairm
07-08-2002, 18:18
i saw donnie darko recently and just bought it on DVD. it's a wonderful movie. aside from Jake G's amazing performance, there are so many other wonderful things to love about this movie"
- the performances of Mary McDonnell and Holmes Osborne as the parents
- Drew Barrymore (who also exec produced) as the teacher
- Patrick Swayze's performance
- the soundtrack
plus, one of my favourite lines of dialog from any movie ever:
"Sometimes, I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion"
alasdair
[ 07 August 2002: Message edited by: alasdairm ]

Lingo
07-08-2002, 22:46
Drew Barrymore's performance was anything but wonderful. Mary McDonnel, yes. Noah Wylie, sure. Patrick Swayze even. But NOT Drew. She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag.
Adios,
Steve

aliengrrl
11-08-2002, 06:31
just rented this movie the other day. i had heard nothing about it, but i found the website while looking for cool flash sites. im a harsh critic and was pleasantly surprised. this movie was one of the best, most interesting movies i'd seen in a long time. the site is also sick, and very strange. the music in the movie was great. music always makes or breaks a film for me.
as for Pardoned1's question...
"does everyone remember the occurance as he does?" i thought the part when the donnie's girlfriend and his mom wave at one another...made me think maybe that why sometimes when you meet someone you swear that you've met them before. i don't think the other characters remember what happened, but subconciously they may have some memory. sometimes i remember things that haven't happened, but maybe they happened in another dimension or something. blah nevermind.

Physix Media
25-08-2002, 02:01
[quote]Originally posted by Lingo:
** MAJOR SPOILERS**
Donnie is alive for the entire movie... right until the end when the jet engine falls through his roof the second time. Frank the rabbit is an apparition from the future, sent to warn Donnie about his destiny, and to show him how to change it. Donnie wasn't supposed to die when the jet engine fell on his bed. He may have escaped death, but doing so brought about a slew of other problems. Once Donnie figured all this out he went back in time and let himself die.
Adios,
Steve
I agree with that until the part when you said he WASN'T supposed to die....
he WAS supposed to die..... but his premonitions allowed him to beat fate... so fate took all his friends and loved ones... then presented a TIME WARP to go back in time to change it.
The ultimate self-less act.
It's a more character-based study on teh tired theme that FINAL DESTINATION had ... (was that the movie??)
And the guy who playe Donnie is FLY!
He was cuter (and funnier) in THE BUBBLE BOY (or whatever it was called) -- which was light-hearted.. but TWISTED!
-physix

Physix Media
25-08-2002, 02:08
[quote]Originally posted by aliengrrl:
as for Pardoned1's question...
"does everyone remember the occurance as he does?" i thought the part when the donnie's girlfriend and his mom wave at one another...made me think maybe that why sometimes when you meet someone you swear that you've met them before.
I think they were connected by the fact that they were SUPPOSED to meet. Many of them had the urge to cry (remember the guy that got his eye shout out?)...
It was almost as if Donnie had 2 FATES ... not 1 ... and it was up to him to decide ... on the one end, he was to live, but be without those he loved... on the other end, he could die, and preserve those he loved.
He was given the luxury of seeing life in one choice and then having the choice to change it. He changed it... but maybe since he had 2 fates, then it was destined that the other characters would also share 1 of 2 fates... since the one was deleted by Donnie's selfless act, then maybe they subconsciously knew what their fate was supposed to be.. or maybe they dreamed it all.... knowing that they killed some girl and then got shot.. or got busted with their child porn... or died in a plane crash (the mother may also know that it was the wing of her plane that blew up that killed her son - what a heart wrenching thing to know!), or that they were hit by a car and killed....
All-in-all, it's sad, because the movie follows the traditional "do bad things and it catches you and you suffer"..... but then Donnie's sacrifice changes that...... Everyone is suffering, but not everyone deserves it.
A truly sad movie.
-physix

Lingo
25-08-2002, 03:24
Did anyone PAY ATTENTION to the movie? Remember the bubble looking objects that Donnie saw coming out of people's chests? Those were the hands of fate... leading each and every person on a pre-determined course. By seeing the path that fate holds would then give one the ability to go OFF that path.
I'll add more to this later...
Adios,
Steve

Physix Media
25-08-2002, 04:07
[quote]Originally posted by Lingo:
Did anyone PAY ATTENTION to the movie? Remember the bubble looking objects that Donnie saw coming out of people's chests? Those were the hands of fate...
I saw it more as a visual representation ofDonnie's ability to predict the future.
"hands of fate" doesn't tie in well, because he never saw those around the peopel immediately affected by his death/non-death.
At least, I don't recall seeing that on the bunny-guy, girlfriend, mother, or little sister.
-physix

Lingo
25-08-2002, 04:44
Near the end of the film, when he actualy goes INTO one of the tunnels and finds himself kneeling in front of his girlfriend... it was supposed to be her "bubble" he saw.
Adios,
Steve

Big boy
31-08-2002, 02:34
what Donnie Darko character are you (http://hope.falling-star.org/donnieq.html)

NESSxix
31-08-2002, 10:32
Chut up!
LOL!

cravNbeets
03-09-2002, 20:28
Edit:
I've watched it about 4 times and I have a few questions if anyone would care to field them.
1. Is the jet engine that falls in Donnie's room from the plane that his mom and sister are on? If so did the mom and sister die on the "second" 10.30.88 even after Donnie sacrafices himself?
2. Does anyone have any ideas on what the fat Asian girl is supposed to symbolize? I get the idea that she is supposed to symbolize purity and innocence. Where as the two trouble making youths represent the opposite. Fear and love spectrum maybe?
3. What in the name of God is the point of Drew Berrymore's role? Aside from her helpful cellar door comment she seemed to serve no purpose and waivered in between a good and bad character.
I've got a million more ????s I really liked this flick but I would be lying my ass off if I said I totally understood it
[ 09 September 2002: Message edited by: cravNbeets ]

NESSxix
10-09-2002, 06:33
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To Answer number two:
"Chut Up!"

Ludikruz
10-09-2002, 06:39
like i said.. alot of what you guys are contemplating is explained in the book that goes with the movie

Big boy
10-09-2002, 21:17
[quote]Originally posted by cravNbeets:
Edit:
I've watched it about 4 times and I have a few questions if anyone would care to field them.
1. Is the jet engine that falls in Donnie's room from the plane that his mom and sister are on? If so did the mom and sister die on the "second" 10.30.88 even after Donnie sacrafices himself?
2. Does anyone have any ideas on what the fat Asian girl is supposed to symbolize? I get the idea that she is supposed to symbolize purity and innocence. Where as the two trouble making youths represent the opposite. Fear and love spectrum maybe?
3. What in the name of God is the point of Drew Berrymore's role? Aside from her helpful cellar door comment she seemed to serve no purpose and waivered in between a good and bad character.
I've got a million more ????s I really liked this flick but I would be lying my ass off if I said I totally understood it
[ 09 September 2002: Message edited by: cravNbeets ]
1: no, because the reason his mother went to star search with the dance team was because the coach stayed. the coach had to go to Patric Swazys child pornography trial. since Donnie died he couldn't burn down his house the police didn't find the kiddie porn. BUT the sister might have died because the coach could have also taken the "red eye" flight home.
2: she's a fat asian chick deal withit
3: she was the producer of the movie, she wanted a little action too.
[ 10 September 2002: Message edited by: Big boy ]

cravNbeets
11-09-2002, 09:38
[quote]Originally posted by Big boy:

1: no, because the reason his mother went to star search with the dance team was because the coach stayed. the coach had to go to Patric Swazys child pornography trial. since Donnie died he couldn't burn down his house the police didn't find the kiddie porn. BUT the sister might have died because the coach could have also taken the "red eye" flight home.
2: she's a fat asian chick deal withit
3: she was the producer of the movie, she wanted a little action too.
[ 10 September 2002: Message edited by: Big boy ]
Obviously the mom wasn't on the plane. That was an error in my question. Thanks for entertaining my theory tho.
As for the answer to my last 2 ?'s I asked if anyone had any theories on the characters' sybolyism.
Saying "fat asian chick, deal w/ it" and "she wanted a piece too" does not really qualify as analysis.
I had some legit questions, anyone have some legit answers?
[ 11 September 2002: Message edited by: cravNbeets ]

NESSxix
12-09-2002, 06:22
Alot of Drew Barrymoore's scenes were cut from the movie. if you get the dvd, it shows alot of drew's scenes that were cut. it adds a little more to the movie.

Physix Media
14-09-2002, 18:56
[quote]Originally posted by cravNbeets:

Obviously the mom wasn't on the plane. That was an error in my question. Thanks for entertaining my theory tho.

The mother WAS on the plane... at least in the 'alternate future'... the wing on the plane that killed Donnie Darko was the wing that the mother and little daughter was on in the future...
there was a time rift... and depending on the author's take on time travel and "changing the past", you can argue that one never REALLY changes the past during time travel rather it creates a 'splinter' effect....
the time rift was there, regardless of what Donnie Darko did or the parents or whoever... so it COULD be said that it wouldn't matter WHO was on the plane...
OR you could say that there is a 'time loop' between two alternative realities bridging them...
OR you could say that the 'second ending' where he goes back in time and stays in bed when he KNOWS what's going to happen creates a diverging reality...
In that theory, the denizens of the 'original reality' are still living in the fact that the bunny guy is dead, the mother is dead, the little sister is dead, the girl is dead and now, Donnie Darko is missing...... and this new diverging reality veers off the path of the 'original timeline' and Donnie is dead... but everyone else is alive....
I haven't listened to the DVD section where the director explains things, so i don't know what his take is on time travel ... or even if it was time travel to begin with ...
-physix

Physix Media
14-09-2002, 19:00
[quote]Originally posted by Big boy:
what Donnie Darko character are you (http://hope.falling-star.org/donnieq.html)
Booger!
I'm Gretchen fuckin' Ross....
I rather be Donnie, so I could jerk off and knwo that i am touching a FLY ASS MUH FUCKA!!!
heh!
ahem!
-physix

aristofenes
02-10-2002, 04:59
"Donnie Darko" satirizes the superstition of god, religions and cults by showing that they are man's flawed inventions.
Religions and cults attempt to fit man into whatever doctrines and outlook they have concocted and codified into bibles, tablets or whatever. That is revealed in "Darko" when the teacher tries to get Darko to put an "X" into her diagram between Love and Fear. Darko refuses and says that the answer to her question is too complex to be scaled down to an "X" between two points on a blackboard.
Darko is telling the teacher that Jim Cunningham's cult (and by extension all godly systems) cannot be simplified by "X's." Religions and cults consist of systems with doctrines and a particular place for man within those systems. "Donnie Darko's" message is that there is no system in which man can or should be neatly placed.
When Darko visits the psychiatrist she puts words into his mouth by bringing the idea of god into his thoughts and by putting god language into his mouth, when god-thoughts are furthest from his mind. "Donnie Darko" is about the fact that god and god-talk is nothing but man's invention (in this case, the psychiatrist's)--not the other way around.
Not to say that Donnie isn't familiar with religious terminology as when he laughingly calls Cunningham an "antichrist" to his face.
This is like General Bush placing North Korea, Iran and Iraq into a pseudo-religious belief system of "good and evil," and trying to shove it down American throats and down the world's throats. Except that the reasonable world and reasonable Americans like a Donnie don't buy it.
That may be why "Donnie Darko" got little recognition. It's too subtle or too blasphemous for simple American minds like those of the religious right, who happen to be Bush's biggest and blindest supporters.

cravNbeets
03-10-2002, 05:18
^^^Excellent insight and interpretation. Doesn't Donnie directly tell his shrink that he doesn't believe in a god? I can't remember the exact words but I'm pretty sure he does.
Well done :)

aristofenes
04-10-2002, 02:09
Thanks cravNbeets.
I don't remember the entire dialogue with the shrink either. And I can't find the screenplay online. Eventually, hopefully someone will post it on one of the screenplay sites.
aristofenes

cravNbeets
05-10-2002, 11:00
DD: "I don't even question it. It's absurd"
Shrink: The search for god is absurd?"
DD: "It is if we all die alone"
I think that's pretty close

aristofenes
06-10-2002, 05:59
Thanks for the words, J.D.
To me, they are the words of a remarkable script, and then some:
psychiatrist --The search for god is absurd?
Donnie --It is if we all die alone.
Thanks again,
Bob

Dtergent
15-10-2002, 06:39
I guess Grandma Death cheated her death? That's what I think. Not cheated, but didn't concede to it like Donnie did. Perhaps because his continued life held much more negative impact on people surrounding him.
I really loved this movie.

Lingo
15-10-2002, 16:04
^^
Grandma Death didn't have much of a life to begin with. She too could see the "fate bubbles" that Donny could see. She knew that her fate was to wait for the letter. If she hadn't been at the mailbox that night, Frank's car would have never swerved to hit Donnie's girlfriend.
Adios,
Steve

Righty1776
25-10-2002, 02:30
Though i don't like my movies always spelled out for me, i am hesitant to say i liked this Donnie Darko simply because it was too confusing. I haven't seen it in months so i can't even remember most of it but u know what i'd love? For someone to give a rundown of the movie with it's twists and turns of the plotline. To really explain it. Arisofenes did a good job of explaining some of it with a clear, level-headed approach. I challenge anyone to do the same for the rest of the movie. It would be appreciated

Dtergent
26-10-2002, 06:20
I don't think anyone ever sees this movie in the same way. It's gonna be different for every single person, in my opinion.
Like one of my friends said, "I was sure as shit about the story right after I watched it. But once I started talking about it with other people, I got really confused."

Nexus One
03-11-2002, 09:38
I'm Donnie!
Rock!
[ 03 November 2002: Message edited by: Nexus One ]

alasdairm
03-11-2002, 23:17
i hear from my friends across the pond that DD finally opened in UK theatres. go see it :)
alasdair

FunkyAlfonzo
04-11-2002, 00:18
^^ it opened in London theatres only, last weekend and is still not on general release. As soon as I see a showing near me, I'm there!!

bdreligrrl
18-11-2002, 06:44
I finally saw Donnie Darko last night. :) Now I know what all the hype and praise was about... wow. That movie was insane. Amazing, even. And between conversations I've had about it, reading the various opinions/revelations in this thread, and just thinking about it nonstop all day, I basically have an understanding of most of it - but as someone already stated, everyone is going to view the movie somewhat differently. And I like that about it.
Oh, and someone mentioned that maybe the mother and little sister died anyways... No way. While it WAS a piece of their plane that went thru the time rip and traveled back a month to kill Donnie, this action caused the month to replay itself. Therefore, everything happened differently and they weren't on that plane. Every action in life, no matter how small, affects what comes after that, and after that, and so on. Donnie's death changed the course of countless lives in this movie, because he accepted his fate, didn't try to change it, and therefore didn't alter the fates of those around him (i.e. they only died because he didn't).
Okay now I'm just rambling... anyone who hasn't seen this movie yet needs to see it again. It's a mind-fuck and a half, but in a GOOD way. :)
Peace ~Katie

Aftermath
18-11-2002, 10:03
yeah. maybe, when donnie was lying in bed for the first time.. he seen into the future..
he looked into the future and seen how bad things would be if he didnt die.. so he just laughed about it and died.

cravNbeets
18-11-2002, 22:49
[quote] Oh, and someone mentioned that maybe the mother and little sister died anyways... No way. While it WAS a piece of their plane that went thru the time rip and traveled back a month to kill Donnie, this action caused the month to replay itself. Therefore, everything happened differently and they weren't on that plane.
I'm pretty sure that the sister is still on the plane. Why wouldn't she have been. Donnie's time travel wouldn't have affected Sparkle Motion's glorious triumph at the talent show. The plane was on it's way back from Star Search when it crashed. The mother was NOT there cause crazy lady would be available to chaperone, but Donnie's lil sister would've been on the plane.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

Nexus One
19-11-2002, 03:08
^
She probably wouldn't have been on the plane because after the death of Donnie, it would hardly be appropriate to go compete in a talent quest...

bdreligrrl
19-11-2002, 04:28
^^ Thank you!
Every action affects every other action... would they have competed in the talent show? Would they have won? Would they have gone to Star Search? Would they have won that? Would they have taken the red-eye flight instead of the regular one?
It's safe to say that the answer to at least one of these questions would be no, due to the aftereffects of Donnie's death and how it changed what happened to everyone else in the future.
/end longwinded analysis
Peace ~Katie

cravNbeets
19-11-2002, 20:45
^^ yeah I guess it is possible that the sister wouldn't have been on the plane, especially since it was a get engine that landed on her brother. That certainly may have given her a fear of flying that would last a while so I will conceed that :)
How about Jim Cunningham's kiddie porn dungeon? W/O Donnie's pyrotechnics Senor Cunningham remains a respected figure in the community and is not exposed as the petter ass that he is. Great flick that still keeps me thinking months after seeing it for the first time.
EDIT: thanks hon, I didn't think that was right even when I was typing it ;)
Good thoughts Lingo :)
[ 20 November 2002: Message edited by: cravNbeets ]

bdreligrrl
19-11-2002, 21:01
^^ It's Jim Cunningham ;)
I'm just teasing. :) I've been thinking about this movie way too much lately!
Peace ~Katie

Lingo
19-11-2002, 21:09
[quote]Originally posted by cravNbeets:

How about Jim Miller's kiddie porn dungeon? W/O Donnie's pyrotechnics Senor Miller remains a respected figure in the community and is not exposed as the petter ass that he is.
Maybe not, but in some ways that is a worse punishment then him being caught...
Think of the scene after Donny dies... a slow pan across all of the faces of the people whom Donnie's life & death affected. Jim was crying so hard because he hated himself and who he was, but he couldn't stop himself.
An interesting post-script to the story: Go to the donnie darko website, and you can read a news article about Jim that was written after Donnie's death. It says he killed himself a few years later... the guilt got to him.
Adios,
Steve

randycaver
26-11-2002, 05:02
i just watched it tonight.. and just like everybody else, am fascinated.. pretty much all of my ponderances have been addressed but a question brought up tonight after watching it by my b/f was.. why didnt he.. since he knew what WOULD happen.. try to prevent it all from happening by staying alive and avoiding the jet engine?

*bubble-fish*
26-11-2002, 11:15
i just watched it for the first time today
i wanna adress the fat asain girl again. for some reason i can't just dismiss her as being a fat asain girl and that's it because why they make a point of her being in the talent show before the motion sparkles in her dance (?) peice called earth angel?
but i agree with earlier comments about the music, i thought it was FANTASITIC and was glad like so many movies that refer to the 80s it didn't resort to silly kitchness

cravNbeets
26-11-2002, 20:34
^^^
Re: Charetta
I'm glad someone else couldn't over look her role in the movie. How about the ear muffs??? WTF I posted some query about her on P 1 of this topic. Check it out :)