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Film Donnie Darko
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^^ Thank you!
Every action affects every other action... would they have competed in the talent show? Would they have won? Would they have gone to Star Search? Would they have won that? Would they have taken the red-eye flight instead of the regular one?
It's safe to say that the answer to at least one of these questions would be no, due to the aftereffects of Donnie's death and how it changed what happened to everyone else in the future.
/end longwinded analysis
Peace ~Katie
Every action affects every other action... would they have competed in the talent show? Would they have won? Would they have gone to Star Search? Would they have won that? Would they have taken the red-eye flight instead of the regular one?
It's safe to say that the answer to at least one of these questions would be no, due to the aftereffects of Donnie's death and how it changed what happened to everyone else in the future.
/end longwinded analysis
Peace ~Katie
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^^ yeah I guess it is possible that the sister wouldn't have been on the plane, especially since it was a get engine that landed on her brother. That certainly may have given her a fear of flying that would last a while so I will conceed that 
How about Jim Cunningham's kiddie porn dungeon? W/O Donnie's pyrotechnics Senor Cunningham remains a respected figure in the community and is not exposed as the petter ass that he is. Great flick that still keeps me thinking months after seeing it for the first time.
EDIT: thanks hon, I didn't think that was right even when I was typing it
Good thoughts Lingo
[ 20 November 2002: Message edited by: cravNbeets ]
How about Jim Cunningham's kiddie porn dungeon? W/O Donnie's pyrotechnics Senor Cunningham remains a respected figure in the community and is not exposed as the petter ass that he is. Great flick that still keeps me thinking months after seeing it for the first time.
EDIT: thanks hon, I didn't think that was right even when I was typing it
Good thoughts Lingo
[ 20 November 2002: Message edited by: cravNbeets ]
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^^ It's Jim Cunningham
I'm just teasing. I've been thinking about this movie way too much lately!
Peace ~Katie
I'm just teasing.
I've been thinking about this movie way too much lately!Peace ~Katie
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i just watched it tonight.. and just like everybody else, am fascinated.. pretty much all of my ponderances have been addressed but a question brought up tonight after watching it by my b/f was.. why didnt he.. since he knew what WOULD happen.. try to prevent it all from happening by staying alive and avoiding the jet engine?
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i just watched it for the first time today
i wanna adress the fat asain girl again. for some reason i can't just dismiss her as being a fat asain girl and that's it because why they make a point of her being in the talent show before the motion sparkles in her dance (?) peice called earth angel?
but i agree with earlier comments about the music, i thought it was FANTASITIC and was glad like so many movies that refer to the 80s it didn't resort to silly kitchness
i wanna adress the fat asain girl again. for some reason i can't just dismiss her as being a fat asain girl and that's it because why they make a point of her being in the talent show before the motion sparkles in her dance (?) peice called earth angel?
but i agree with earlier comments about the music, i thought it was FANTASITIC and was glad like so many movies that refer to the 80s it didn't resort to silly kitchness
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^^^
Re: Charetta
I'm glad someone else couldn't over look her role in the movie. How about the ear muffs??? WTF I posted some query about her on P 1 of this topic. Check it out
Re: Charetta
I'm glad someone else couldn't over look her role in the movie. How about the ear muffs??? WTF I posted some query about her on P 1 of this topic. Check it out
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i saw this about a week ago... it was fantastic. i really loved it, it really made me think. all the questions that have been asked about this movie in this thread have been going through my mind. i love some of the answers that have come up here.
i am gonna head over to the website soon to have a look around...
CB
i am gonna head over to the website soon to have a look around...
CB
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oh yeah, that's it Charetta. another reason why i didn't want to look over her role is because they kept come back to her time and time again. i also wonder about her ear muffs because it seemed Donnie found some comfort in wearing them towards the end of the film.
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my take on the film is as follows:
okay, its pretty clear that Donnie isn't exactly "stable" up in the attic...he's about one sandwich short of a picnic basket, if you will...as such, one night, hopped up on his shrinks goofy pills, he invents this fantastically bizzarre scenario inside his fantastically bizzarre mind...that plays out something along the lines of this:
"oh, i wonder what would happen if a jet engine would fall out of the sky one night down into my room, but instead of being in my room and getting crushed, i was out at the golf course in the middle of the night chasing invisible magic rabbits, and instead of me sitting here in my room inventing fantastically bizzarre scenarios of me getting chasing rabbits at the golf course, i'd get crushed by that particular jet engine...jeez, i wonder what that would be like."
and then he gets crushed by a jet engine. a bit ironic, eh?
and as we've seen from Donnie's classroom comments with Mrs. Barrymore, Donnie like's irony and destruction, oh yes indeed.
i like this redescription instead of the cliche'd "time travel-fate-god" trifurcation...the latter is just reeks a bit of some sort theodicy, which everybody knows is played out...that is, ironic temporal and spatial nonsense as opposed to the typical meaning-grasped-through-fantastic-scenario....
okay, its pretty clear that Donnie isn't exactly "stable" up in the attic...he's about one sandwich short of a picnic basket, if you will...as such, one night, hopped up on his shrinks goofy pills, he invents this fantastically bizzarre scenario inside his fantastically bizzarre mind...that plays out something along the lines of this:
"oh, i wonder what would happen if a jet engine would fall out of the sky one night down into my room, but instead of being in my room and getting crushed, i was out at the golf course in the middle of the night chasing invisible magic rabbits, and instead of me sitting here in my room inventing fantastically bizzarre scenarios of me getting chasing rabbits at the golf course, i'd get crushed by that particular jet engine...jeez, i wonder what that would be like."
and then he gets crushed by a jet engine. a bit ironic, eh?
and as we've seen from Donnie's classroom comments with Mrs. Barrymore, Donnie like's irony and destruction, oh yes indeed.
i like this redescription instead of the cliche'd "time travel-fate-god" trifurcation...the latter is just reeks a bit of some sort theodicy, which everybody knows is played out...that is, ironic temporal and spatial nonsense as opposed to the typical meaning-grasped-through-fantastic-scenario....
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After finally going to www.donniedarko.com last night (incredible site, by the way), I looked up the previous acting credits of the cast...
Donnie Darko's little sister = Cimora in "The Ring"
I definitely didn't pick up on that one, and saw both movies within a few days of each other. *sigh* That cute lil girl from D.D. scared the living hell outta me in The Ring. Just thought I'd share.
Peace ~Katie
Donnie Darko's little sister = Cimora in "The Ring"
I definitely didn't pick up on that one, and saw both movies within a few days of each other. *sigh* That cute lil girl from D.D. scared the living hell outta me in The Ring. Just thought I'd share.
Peace ~Katie
I just finished watching the movie for the very first time. Excellent flick, definetely gave me a lot to think about.
I think that one of the things that the write wanted to express was how people that are more intelligent that others get looked upon by the less intelligent people who play along with everything that is fed to them by the government, church, etc. This explains drew barrymores part in the movie as well as the science teachers and the little asian girl.
Throughout the entire movie, donnie is misunderstood. Nobody could understand where he is coming from because they do not percieve reality as he does. The little asian girl is misunderstood because i'm not even sure she speaks english fluently. I think she is there to just show how majority of the people look at foreigners. Donnie is considered a schitzophrenic with delusions. Drew Barrymore (the teacher) is considered to not know how to teach and gets fired because her methods are unsatisfactory by majority standards. The science teacher refuses to discuss time travel on a more deeper level out of fear that (majority) will take away his job because those ideas that donnie suggested about god are considered irrational in his field and insane by majority. The little asian girl just wants to keep to herself because she understands that she is being judged by her appearance plus cultural divergence so because of this she wishes to block off everybody and just conentrate on her studies. I think the ear muffs covering her ears represent how she doesn't care to hear what anybody has to say because they do not understand/see her perspective + make fun of her for seeing things in the way that she does. Another reasons i think this is the case is because the only thing she sais throughout the entire movie is "shut up!", also showing how she doesn't want to hear wat anybody has to say about her anymore. Even when donnie goes to tell her everything is going to be ok, she misunderstands maybe because she might not even know english and just from being used to everybody picking on her she assumes that he is as well or perhaps she does understand english but is so used to shutting herself off to everybody else because of how she was being treated that she reacts in that way and runs off because she doesn't know what to do. So basically it could be to show what happens to people who are treated that way.
Another intersting observation i made was when the crazy teacher lady asked to donnie to put an x on love or fear when presented with a certain scenario, he goes on to say he cannot just break it down to those 2 things because it is irrational and there are other variables at play. The irony in this is that the reason donnie is treated the way he is, drew barrymore getting fired, the asian girl being made fun of, and the science teachers fear of getting fired all come from the fear side of that line on the part of the people who preach that it really is just fear and love when it comes down to it.
What i dont understand is that originally is why donnie flooded the school or burned down that guys house. The only reason he did it was because frank told him to. Had he not listened, he would not have been at the old ladies house with his girlfriend that night, and his mother would not have been on the flight.
Also, from what i understand the only reason donnie did not get hit by the engine the first time is because frank appeared to him and told him the his world was going to end at a certain time. So he did not choose to avoid dying, it happened by chance. Therefore it was not his fate to die. So him not dying was not him avoiding his fate resulting in him losing his family as a result of doing so. Perhaps it was franks fate to die at the hands of donnie because he is a disturbed violent individual that burned down a house and flooded the school, maybe that is why is he is on pills at the beginning of the movie. Not because he hallucinated frank or watever. At the end of the movie donnie realizes that he doesnt want anything to happen because of his violent actions and his only way out of committing all those acts that result in everybody getting killed including frank is to get hit by the plane. Basically god or some sort of higher power is giving him a chance to not kill all those people by creating a time rift that will cause a plane engine to come into his room. He is then shown his fate, flooding of the school, killing frank because he ran over his girl, and burning down that guys house. He didnt do it in order to expose the guy, he is not even sure why he is doing it when he is doing it maybe it is just because he does not like the guy. So the higher power sais, here is fate, everybody has one. I'm giving you a chance to change yours but you will have to let yourself die.
blah... random thoughts...
anyway... i'm really friggin tired and um, i'm sorry if some of this reply doesn't make much sense. I'm too tired to proofread or write more. Maybe i will later......
peace and much love,
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I think that one of the things that the write wanted to express was how people that are more intelligent that others get looked upon by the less intelligent people who play along with everything that is fed to them by the government, church, etc. This explains drew barrymores part in the movie as well as the science teachers and the little asian girl.
Throughout the entire movie, donnie is misunderstood. Nobody could understand where he is coming from because they do not percieve reality as he does. The little asian girl is misunderstood because i'm not even sure she speaks english fluently. I think she is there to just show how majority of the people look at foreigners. Donnie is considered a schitzophrenic with delusions. Drew Barrymore (the teacher) is considered to not know how to teach and gets fired because her methods are unsatisfactory by majority standards. The science teacher refuses to discuss time travel on a more deeper level out of fear that (majority) will take away his job because those ideas that donnie suggested about god are considered irrational in his field and insane by majority. The little asian girl just wants to keep to herself because she understands that she is being judged by her appearance plus cultural divergence so because of this she wishes to block off everybody and just conentrate on her studies. I think the ear muffs covering her ears represent how she doesn't care to hear what anybody has to say because they do not understand/see her perspective + make fun of her for seeing things in the way that she does. Another reasons i think this is the case is because the only thing she sais throughout the entire movie is "shut up!", also showing how she doesn't want to hear wat anybody has to say about her anymore. Even when donnie goes to tell her everything is going to be ok, she misunderstands maybe because she might not even know english and just from being used to everybody picking on her she assumes that he is as well or perhaps she does understand english but is so used to shutting herself off to everybody else because of how she was being treated that she reacts in that way and runs off because she doesn't know what to do. So basically it could be to show what happens to people who are treated that way.
Another intersting observation i made was when the crazy teacher lady asked to donnie to put an x on love or fear when presented with a certain scenario, he goes on to say he cannot just break it down to those 2 things because it is irrational and there are other variables at play. The irony in this is that the reason donnie is treated the way he is, drew barrymore getting fired, the asian girl being made fun of, and the science teachers fear of getting fired all come from the fear side of that line on the part of the people who preach that it really is just fear and love when it comes down to it.
What i dont understand is that originally is why donnie flooded the school or burned down that guys house. The only reason he did it was because frank told him to. Had he not listened, he would not have been at the old ladies house with his girlfriend that night, and his mother would not have been on the flight.
Also, from what i understand the only reason donnie did not get hit by the engine the first time is because frank appeared to him and told him the his world was going to end at a certain time. So he did not choose to avoid dying, it happened by chance. Therefore it was not his fate to die. So him not dying was not him avoiding his fate resulting in him losing his family as a result of doing so. Perhaps it was franks fate to die at the hands of donnie because he is a disturbed violent individual that burned down a house and flooded the school, maybe that is why is he is on pills at the beginning of the movie. Not because he hallucinated frank or watever. At the end of the movie donnie realizes that he doesnt want anything to happen because of his violent actions and his only way out of committing all those acts that result in everybody getting killed including frank is to get hit by the plane. Basically god or some sort of higher power is giving him a chance to not kill all those people by creating a time rift that will cause a plane engine to come into his room. He is then shown his fate, flooding of the school, killing frank because he ran over his girl, and burning down that guys house. He didnt do it in order to expose the guy, he is not even sure why he is doing it when he is doing it maybe it is just because he does not like the guy. So the higher power sais, here is fate, everybody has one. I'm giving you a chance to change yours but you will have to let yourself die.
blah... random thoughts...
anyway... i'm really friggin tired and um, i'm sorry if some of this reply doesn't make much sense. I'm too tired to proofread or write more. Maybe i will later......
peace and much love,
- Trails604 -
My friend Karl had the majority of this theory, it does not utilize everything so is perhaps not complete, but it very strong:
When donnie sees things pointing out of people's chests - these are their paths that he talks about with the psychologist. The paths of people's future.
Then he says that in the god circle you have the power to change time.
Donnie is in the god circle because of his relationship to Frank.
Frank is in the god circle possibly because he has been given the power by god to go back and change things, to apologise for killing Donnies girlfriend.
Frank is really sorry he says to Donnie, this is for running over his girlfriend. He is shot in the eye because he has come from the future.
Frank and Donnie can 'do anything they want' because Frank knows that time will be moved backwards anyway.
As you can see, this theory does have some fairly good evidence to back it up.
When donnie sees things pointing out of people's chests - these are their paths that he talks about with the psychologist. The paths of people's future.
Then he says that in the god circle you have the power to change time.
Donnie is in the god circle because of his relationship to Frank.
Frank is in the god circle possibly because he has been given the power by god to go back and change things, to apologise for killing Donnies girlfriend.
Frank is really sorry he says to Donnie, this is for running over his girlfriend. He is shot in the eye because he has come from the future.
Frank and Donnie can 'do anything they want' because Frank knows that time will be moved backwards anyway.
As you can see, this theory does have some fairly good evidence to back it up.
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I think much emphasis was placed on the warped standards we use for beauty or being admirable.
The movie juxtaposes Cherita and Sparkle Motion: a fat girl dancing a pure, meaningful dance, and skinny white girls dancing a Britney Spears-kiddie-whore type routine. Society condemns one and praises the other because they fail to see beyond external attributes, or what is deemed "beautiful".
Other examples would be Jim Cunningham as a perfect upright man, and his legion of "lemmings".
Also, my friend said that towards the end there was a mention of Deux ex Machina. This means something like the God Machine. If I remember correctly from my classes in high school, this is a mechanism used in old plays, where Divine Intervention comes in during the end of plays to amend the conflicts. I guess this would be the point when the choice was handed to him-- whether to continue living, or to fix the glitch in time.
The movie juxtaposes Cherita and Sparkle Motion: a fat girl dancing a pure, meaningful dance, and skinny white girls dancing a Britney Spears-kiddie-whore type routine. Society condemns one and praises the other because they fail to see beyond external attributes, or what is deemed "beautiful".
Other examples would be Jim Cunningham as a perfect upright man, and his legion of "lemmings".
Also, my friend said that towards the end there was a mention of Deux ex Machina. This means something like the God Machine. If I remember correctly from my classes in high school, this is a mechanism used in old plays, where Divine Intervention comes in during the end of plays to amend the conflicts. I guess this would be the point when the choice was handed to him-- whether to continue living, or to fix the glitch in time.
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Dtergent ~ excellent call on Chareta vs Sparkle motion
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In some ancient Greek drama, an apparently insoluble crisis was solved by the intervention of a god, often brought on stage by an elaborate piece of equipment. This "god from the machine" was literally a deus ex machina.
Few modern works feature deities suspended by wires from the ceiling, but the term deus ex machina is still used for cases where an author uses some improbable (and often clumsy) plot device to work his or her way out of a difficult situation. When the cavalry comes charging over the hill or when the impoverished hero is relieved by an unexpected inheritance, it's often called a deus ex machina.
LOL this is what I meant
Few modern works feature deities suspended by wires from the ceiling, but the term deus ex machina is still used for cases where an author uses some improbable (and often clumsy) plot device to work his or her way out of a difficult situation. When the cavalry comes charging over the hill or when the impoverished hero is relieved by an unexpected inheritance, it's often called a deus ex machina.
LOL this is what I meant