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Durzo1258 said:
I love that each time someone tries to bring up potential harm from smoking weed, alcohol is instantly brought up. We all know that it's harmful, we know it's generally more harmful than weed. No one in here is denying that. But people constantly deny any harmfulness of weed, regardless what evidence you throw at them.

There is always a bigger fish and there is always a more harmful drug we shouldn't compare up in this scenario. Just because it isn't as bad as something else doesn't mean it's harmless.

The shrine surrounding weed as a remedy to all problems is ridiculous.

Each and every time this conversation is had :
Hurr durr alcohol ex machina.
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The comparison is always drawn up again because alcohol is so normalized, and the same people who espouse a vehement fear of the dangers of cannabis also generally fear nothing about alcohol. I for one have almost died from alcohol poisoning yet I've never had any bad side-effects from cannabis aside from being too tired or anti-social. It's socially acceptable to see a person on the ground with a bucket in their hands half-way to a lethal overdose at parties but if someone pulls out a blunt half the people get all uppity. Maybe it's just because for me in the past year I've seen the true damage alcohol can induce, both in myself and others, but I will never fear or turn down cannabis the way that I would a shot of vodka. I'd even go so far as saying it's safer to drive on cannabis than it is to drive when you're tired and on a one hour commute to work; if anything, cannabis users drive slower. When I was a delivery driver I would get stoned on the job, and I was significantly safer - if I had coffee instead before work, I'd be passing in no pass zones, shouting at other drivers, going 20 over the limit in residential zones, just in general ignoring my safety and the safety of others.

The point is, the comparisons are always drawn because society thinks it's okay for you to poison yourself, but not get just a bit impaired by some cannabis.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
What is up with Aussies and trying to prove that cannabis has horrific side-effects? Even us back-asswards 'Mericans are catching on that it's a perfectly benign substance.


Oh no, being too stoned impairs my ability to drive, I guess I should go drink ten pints and get behind the wheel.
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Trying to provide an intellectual basis for prohibition, I guess. We need to protect people from themselves because of x, y and z.

But none of this is surprising. Harmful to developing brains, linked to the emergence of latent mental illness, some temporary cognition issues like short-term memory loss. yawn. These issues are ones that I remember discussing on this website for years.

I don't think that anyone would or should argue that cannabis is harmless. But the fact remains that the social context in which cannabis is discussed is one in which prohibition reigns. In the United States we are only beginning to emerge out of the darkness of (in some cases draconian) cannabis prohibition...until sensible laws are in place it's understandable that people get defensive about cannabis being "demonized".
 
Cream Gravy? said:
The comparison is always drawn up again because alcohol is so normalized, and the same people who espouse a vehement fear of the dangers of cannabis also generally fear nothing about alcohol. I for one have almost died from alcohol poisoning yet I've never had any bad side-effects from cannabis aside from being too tired or anti-social. It's socially acceptable to see a person on the ground with a bucket in their hands half-way to a lethal overdose at parties but if someone pulls out a blunt half the people get all uppity. Maybe it's just because for me in the past year I've seen the true damage alcohol can induce, both in myself and others, but I will never fear or turn down cannabis the way that I would a shot of vodka. I'd even go so far as saying it's safer to drive on cannabis than it is to drive when you're tired and on a one hour commute to work; if anything, cannabis users drive slower. When I was a delivery driver I would get stoned on the job, and I was significantly safer - if I had coffee instead before work, I'd be passing in no pass zones, shouting at other drivers, going 20 over the limit in residential zones, just in general ignoring my safety and the safety of others.

The point is, the comparisons are always drawn because society thinks it's okay for you to poison yourself, but not get just a bit impaired by some cannabis.
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But this isn't a thread about substance X compared to substance Y. I didn't nearly die from alcohol but I had a full blown panic attack from weed. But this isn't personal experience thread either. If you want to argue merits of weed vs alcohol make a alcohol vs weed thread. But nah, let's just reject any claims and research that suggest that weed may be harmful in some ways because alcohol is more harmful.
 
Durzo1258 said:
But this isn't a thread about substance X compared to substance Y. I didn't nearly die from alcohol but I had a full blown panic attack from weed. But this isn't personal experience thread either. If you want to argue merits of weed vs alcohol make a alcohol vs weed thread. But nah, let's just reject any claims and research that suggest that weed may be harmful in some ways because alcohol is more harmful.
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I see your point, but I also don't think all of the sources this 'comprehensive' study used can be considered unbiased and factual; not to mention, it's an Australian study. When even American scientists can't find these correlations, I find it hard to buy. I'll refrain from the comparison's and personal experiences just for you.

I certainly don't think teenagers should engage in illicit drug use (nor drinking) and I certainly agree that if someone is schizophrenic there's a likelihood any drug use can lead to further issues, but there's absolutely no evidence pointing to an increase in mental illnesses, and even if there is it's dubious considering weed's legal status. These studies are much of the time being conducted in unscientific manners which leads me to scoff at them.
 
avcpl said:
It was listed on Google News Health section as an article tagged as "highly cited". That means people are sharing it and talking about it; and if that's the case people should know what the article actually says.
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So what should people take from this article
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I see your point, but I also don't think all of the sources this 'comprehensive' study used can be considered unbiased and factual; not to mention, it's an Australian study. When even American scientists can't find these correlations, I find it hard to buy. I'll refrain from the comparison's and personal experiences just for you.

I certainly don't think teenagers should engage in illicit drug use (nor drinking) and I certainly agree that if someone is schizophrenic there's a likelihood any drug use can lead to further issues, but there's absolutely no evidence pointing to an increase in mental illnesses, and even if there is it's dubious considering weed's legal status. These studies are much of the time being conducted in unscientific manners which leads me to scoff at them.
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And that's one of that major problems with discussion about potential harmfulness of weed. There is very little middle ground, on one hand you have users portrait as completely harmless drugs with countless benefits and on the other you have strict anti drug governments showing reports saying completely opposite. Arguments of both sides need to be taken with a grain of salt. Weed is by a mile less harmful compared to just about any other drug there is, but let's not jump to a conclusion that it's completely safe. And given that it's not that harmful any effects will take significant amount of time to manifest. Unlike say MDMA which if abused shows what it is capable of very rapidly.

I'd say this article isn't particularly anti weed considering country of origin, it doesn't demonise it nor glorifies it.
 
I'm just biased because literally every anti-weed article I read the past few months has been a product of Australia's recent anti-weed hysteria.
 
I live in Australia and i have not noticed any anti weed hysteria
 
^Well it would appear I'm getting the wrong image then. I saw a pattern and made an assumption where there was none; my bad.
 
Thats too bad.. i feal sorry 4 you guys.

in the meantime here is some top shelf CO weed porn for you all=D

Bloom County Colorado

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This is not a source as you need to be licensed to purchase and every law is strictly followed. True

just some kind weed porn<3
 
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