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Why are so many holy men sexist creeps?

@December Flower

You are frustratingly precise and very rarely (if ever) wrong. I got a lot of shit done today, I'm just tired. I am not jealous of your lunchtime breakfast, you lazy bum! (I am jealous.)
 
birdup said:
@December Flower

You are frustratingly precise and very rarely (if ever) wrong. I got a lot of shit done today, I'm just tired. I am not jealous of your lunchtime breakfast, you lazy bum! (I am jealous.)
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It's my personal philosophy with words. If words are not meant to be precise, what is their use? I apologize for being frustratingly precise. If it helps you I will decrease lyrical accuracy by .35% :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: sorry, I slay myself today.

Get some sleep, sorry for being so impertinent
 
December Flower said:
Get some sleep
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Way ahead of you. I'm currently knocking myself out with etizolam, beer and wine. My lock box opens at 7AM. I have one day of psychedelic hijinks then back to work.

I was joking about the precision stuff. You were wrong just recently about something. I forget what. Maybe I dreamt it.
 
birdup said:
Maybe I dreamt it.
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In your dreams!

I'm wrong so often. Just yesterday my tutor at the dementia/schiz/drug-abuse course I'm doing right now scolded me a bit for assuming schizophrenia was hereditary, just because many people in a family share the trait. They share it because of similar environmental background, there is zero evidence to suggest that there is a gene that spreads :ROFLMAO: whoops
 
You said "I might be wrong about this, I will look into it", then you scurried under the fridge like a cockroach and we never saw you again.

I very much agree with your post above, though. You have a very good track record, but nobody is perfect.
 
birdup said:
You said "I might be wrong about this, I will look into it", then you scurried under the fridge like a cockroach and we never saw you again.
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I probably didn't look into it yet, I'm fucking busy with my course, going to the course all day, learning all night. Bah
 
If my application for CEPS mod is successful then I'm going to have to edit conversations like this for being off topic, which makes me sad.

I think the off topic stuff is some of the best of BL. (This isn't the best of BL.)
 
birdup said:
I used to work in a house with mostly male residents who all had full blown dementia.

Not all men who have dementia are creeps. I realize nobody is saying that.

I don't like the idea of calling men creeps. Maybe that is because I am a man, but I don't think so.

We're all animals. You can't blame a dog for humping your leg. It is just frustrated.

I worked with a guy today that openly admits he uses his disability to get away with being inappropriate, but he has no sexual outlet and that isn't his fault.



Were you a creep at 13 years old?

I wasn't. I said stuff occasionally to fit in due to peer pressure, but most young men I knew at the time didn't have a toxic attitude towards women. I honestly don't know any adult men who have a toxic attitude towards women.



I don't know, man.

Do priests who rape kids really believe in God?
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lol. I never said all men with dementia are creeps. I know you said you realize nobody is saying that, so I just wanted to reassure you. I spoke of one case, my grandfather whom I love dearly, making unwanted explicit sexual advances toward women he finds attractive like the wife of his great-grandkids baby daddy or female neighbors or other women who are not my grandmother.

I guess I wasn't a creep at 13. I didn't become a creep until I was 19 or 20 :ROFLMAO: But once I became mentally ill in my mid twenties, my personality and attitudes changed completely and I essentially became a different person. So my creepiness ended nearly 20 years ago.

As for priests raping kids, I don't know what is going through their minds when they do that. Who are you to say whether a person you've never met believes in God or not. I saw a meme the other say of Charles Manson playing guitar in a church sanctuary. Did he believe in God?

My comment on forgiveness was more from a Protestant point of view given that's how I was raised. However, I'm aware of Catholicism and AFAIK they don't even have to wait until Judgment Day to have their sins expunged. All they have to do is confess to a priest then say some Hail Marys and all (or most) is forgiven here on Earth.
 
Holy men, sure... but men?

When it's an entire gender or an entire race it's problematic.

Everything is relative. Holy men are creeps relative to other men.

Who are men creeps relative to? Women? That's like judging a shark because it's more aggressive than a squirrel.

Jerry Atrick said:
Who are you to say whether a person you've never met believes in God or not.
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I didn't say it; I heavily implied it in the form of a question. ;)

Who am I to heavily imply (in the form of a question) that someone who rapes kids probably doesn't care about Godliness?

I am me.

I believe in forgiveness.

My grandfather had Alzheimer's. He was a great man. If I have a son, I will name him Jack. My daughter's middle name comes from her great grandmother, his wife.

Jack got sick young. Not young enough to technically be early onset, but young enough that he died when I was a teenager. My grandmother stayed with him almost until the end. He was a big man - he was a bricklayer and a fisherman - he had fingers like sausages. Towards the end, he would get violent. He was a very confused man when he died, but he was a great man before that. Never a creep. Never violent. He didn't regress back to a time when he was an asshole. He was just a sick old man. I've worked with many women with brain injuries and dementia who are violent and inappropriate.

I don't like negative statements about race/gender/sexuality.

I see what you're saying, obviously, regarding my statement about holy men. I wonder if women are corrupted by power to the same extent? Feminists sometimes suggest that females would be different, somehow, as presidents or prime ministers. History suggests otherwise.

Perhaps I should have titled the thread why are so many holy people creeps?
 
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I just think a lot of them are sexually repressed and the organized christian schools/colleges have a lot of pedophiles working for them. We have a preacher in my family that's always been very odd. He's never done anything but any time young girls or women come to swim at our pool he's always lurking around. He's got a box of his mother's clothes in his room. I'd seen the box a couple of times over the years when he forgot to put it away and I needed to enter his living area when he wasn't around.

A few months back I walked over to his house to take care of something for his mother. He's in his 60s and still living in his mother's basement. He'd neglected to put away the lawn mower again and a big storm was coming up. I tried to enter the basement door and there he was. Dick in hand, wearing a dress and stockings, door wide open for the world to see. I knocked anyway and scared the shit out of him. Pink isn't his color.

His browser history is always some crazy stuff. I only know because I have to monitor traffic sometimes when his mother asks me to fix their network. He's into some type of age regression adult baby fetish.
 
@HeadphonesandLSD

Well, you're an increasingly interesting person.

I have some questions.

1. What relationship do you have with this priest?
2. What happened when you knocked?

Pink isn't his color.
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Fucking LOL.

age regression adult baby fetish.
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Yeah the diaper stuff (like the Japanese child porn) is too close to pedo for my liking also. I don't care if the child is 6,000 years old. They're still sexualizing children. *I realize I'm crossing threads here.

As for the diaper stuff, that shit just freaks me out generally. How little self worth do you have to have to pretend to be a baby when you're a grown man?

A lot of these baby men get women to jerk them off while they're doing the roleplay. That - for me - is way too close to paedophilia. It strikes me (like the anime stuff) as a more socially acceptable way to indulge in something incredibly creepy and inappropriate.
 
Sure sexual repression doesn't help; however, masturbation does curb that repression. I think it's because they're older, they learned the secrets, miracles are fake, God is emotionally Dead, and what you have left are the creeps who use power and influence to alter the course of human lives with the threat of eternal damnation. A stones throw away from "Keep this sexual assault quiet or something bad will happen".
 
I think it's largely due to two factors. First and most significantly, being a "holy man" means you are a gatekeeper to the most profound form of social control available, which is a person's very immortal soul. That position, like all other positions of power (police, politician, etc), attracts a disproportionate percentage of people who seek it specifically in order to have that power over others. One of the main areas in which people purposely abusing positions of power will exert their influence is to exert sexual control over people. These are the kind of people who created these systems of control.

The other big reason, due to the sickness of the people who devised the system of control, involves adhering to, in many cases, an unhealthy position on sex. See, for example, catholic priests, who are expected to completely forego sex, and are left in a frustrated, unnatural position, coupled with remaining in a juvenile, childlike mindset about what sex is. This sort of repression can easily lead to someone's unfulfilled sexual desires manifesting in sick, deviant ways. The people who succumb to this are themselves victims of the system they are helping to uphold, and likely did not intentionally become dangerous creeps.
 
Xorkoth said:
I think it's largely due to two factors. First and most significantly, being a "holy man" means you are a gatekeeper to the most profound form of social control available, which is a person's very immortal soul. That position, like all other positions of power (police, politician, etc), attracts a disproportionate percentage of people who seek it specifically in order to have that power over others. One of the main areas in which people purposely abusing positions of power will exert their influence is to exert sexual control over people. These are the kind of people who created these systems of control.

The other big reason, due to the sickness of the people who devised the system of control, involves adhering to, in many cases, an unhealthy position on sex. See, for example, catholic priests, who are expected to completely forego sex, and are left in a frustrated, unnatural position, coupled with remaining in a juvenile, childlike mindset about what sex is. This sort of repression can easily lead to someone's unfulfilled sexual desires manifesting in sick, deviant ways. The people who succumb to this are themselves victims of the system they are helping to uphold, and likely did not intentionally become dangerous creeps.
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Yeh, I couldn't imagine being locked into a system that allowed for zero sexual release. They have to be sexually abstinent and no masturbating either, because that is killing or wasting your seed. Dudes must have a lot of wet dreams I guess.

Your last sentence was bolded for effect. What about accountability? I understand that victims of abuse often become abusers themselves due to not knowing any other way. But how can we hold an abuser accountable for their actions if we write all of them off as victims of the system? I mean if we go down that road, we must look into dismantling the entire system itself. (Which is fine with me, btw)
 
birdup said:
I have some questions.

1. What relationship do you have with this priest?
2. What happened when you knocked?
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I prefer not to get into details about my relationship with this person. I'll just leave it at we are very close and he's been in my life since I came out of my mother. When I knocked he freaked out, ran to close the door to his room, got dressed in men's clothing and then opened the door for me. The door I was trying to enter was locked and right across from the door to enter his living area. He was zoned out on his computer and didn't see me walk up. I don't understand why he chose to leave the door wide open like that. Maybe he gets off on the idea of getting caught. I was pretty pissed off about it at the time because it was the 100th time I had to walk over to put away the tools and his mother was fighting for her life in the hospital at the time.

I have considered inviting him to a festival and giving him some MDMA multiple times but I'm afraid to bring him. I used to think he was a really good person but he's not. He lurks around like a creepy old man no matter where he is if young girls are around. He manipulates his family for personal gain. He's pissing away everything his father worked for on stupid shit. He's never held a real job yet he tosses down $100 bills at the local diner as tips for the waitresses. He's all about appearing to be something he's not.

Here is the worst part. In addition to being a preacher he was in charge of the church's youth program for years. When they got rid of him because of complaints he went back to school and got licensed to teach in the public school system here. He did that for a couple of years. He was the teacher of the short bus class at a middle school in a near-by city. He did it long enough to draw a small retirement and got out as soon as he turned 62.

He's basically lived off his parent's his entire life. He dates a really trashy woman at the moment and I'm sure when his mother dies he's going to move her in along with her 5 children by four different men. I know she hasn't slept with him despite "dating" him for 3 years. It's so awkward when she comes around. He practically begs her to show up for his birthday or other family events. You can tell she doesn't want to be around him but she shows up from time to time to keep milking him for his mother's money. He planned a vacation with her a couple of years ago and blew thousands of dollars on reservations. He talked about nothing else for months. Come the day of the trip she called and gave some bullshit excuse for not being able to go. I ran into her later the same day when I drove into the city for a tournament. She was at the bar with another man. She's a major whore.

I've tried to explain this to him many times but he refuses to listen to reason. Even with all his quirks he could find a better person than that to spend time with. He's majorly obsessed with her for some reason. It's like watching one of those loser kids in high school that has a crush on the cheerleader who's constantly putting him down in front of everyone. No matte what she does to him she's perfect in his eyes and one of these days he's finally going to get to have sex for the first time with her. It's really sad.

I'd probably do something about it if he hadn't stolen so much money from me and did everything in his power to isolate me from other people. He thinks he's a lot more intelligent than he really is. One of these days I'm going to end up giving him a lesson in what it means to be a man. If his mother wasn't alive I would have done it by now. In her eyes he can do no wrong.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
Yeh, I couldn't imagine being locked into a system that allowed for zero sexual release. They have to be sexually abstinent and no masturbating either, because that is killing or wasting your seed. Dudes must have a lot of wet dreams I guess.

Your last sentence was bolded for effect. What about accountability? I understand that victims of abuse often become abusers themselves due to not knowing any other way. But how can we hold an abuser accountable for their actions if we write all of them off as victims of the system? I mean if we go down that road, we must look into dismantling the entire system itself. (Which is fine with me, btw)
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I think we should absolutely hold perpetrators of this system accountable, I just wanted to point out that the real sick fucks are the ones who set the system up. I feel bad for people who are convinced that sex is evil and told that even masturbating is a sin, but if they go on to victimize other people because of it, they deserve to be held accountable for sure.
 
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