Esoteric What's more Meaningful for You: Acid Hallucinations, Ketamine Visions, DMT Breakthroughs?

[whahahahwhahahahw]

I absolutely agree it would require a low dose!!
Drug synergy is very very real!

 

[AutoTripper]

I never take acid, looking for or hoping for hallucinations.

Acid is so much more than that for me. It's an electrical state.

It's that Salvia extradt outside of DMT, if you want real fairyworld...

Espec with ket, shrooms and MDMA.

 

[GearoftheYear]

LSD has been the most consistent and repeatable. Oral DMT the most life changing and strongest after glow but with no interest in repeating intentionally. Ketamine is more artificial, it wears off very quickly but at the time feels effective.

Ketamine goes much nicer with DMT than LSD for me in big doses. Can be a bit hit and miss on LSD when the dosing is high.

 

[Jabberwocky]

LSD has been the most consistent and repeatable. Oral DMT the most life changing and strongest after glow but with no interest in repeating intentionally. Ketamine is more artificial, it wears off very quickly but at the time feels effective.

Ketamine goes much nicer with DMT than LSD for me in big doses. Can be a bit hit and miss on LSD when the dosing is high.

Yeah. I notice that when taken separately ketamine seems a lot stronger than LSD. Like even in the middle of the peak on 300 ug LSD you could pull your shit together in an emergency but once you are fully in a k-hole you are in for the duration.

However when taken together it’s definitely the acid that dominates and you have an acid trip with ketamine characteristics not a k-hole with acid characteristics. You also get over the ket a lot faster when you are on acid as well.

 

[negrogesic]

The most profound trip i ever had was on, of all things, deschloroketamine.

I had never taken it before, and am sensitive and somewhat inexperienced with dissociatives. Not a big fan actually, aside from nitrous oxide. But even in that case i more enjoy the opioidergic and gabaergic properties rather the freaky NMDA antagonist side. Nitrous, at its peak, rivals IV heroin in peak euphoria but this state is almost impossible to reach, only gotten there a few times. The head space is dark, I've seen weird, violent porn, in a fuzzy black in wide play in my minds eye on it. I once also reached some extreme state where i realized i myself some sort of god, or demi god, but it had a cosmological connotation that sort of reminded me of mormon and scientologist philosophy. This heaven and hell, good and evil, theme is a hallmark of dissociative drugs and not suprisingly, a hallmark of schizophrenia. More on this later.

In any event, ketamine and so forth, never a fan, made me feel weird. The only times i enjoyed it was intravenously where it more resembled an opioid or nitrous oxide. Only tried this with one vial. Even then it felt weird. There's a discomfort and edginess to a dissociative high. It doesn't feel quite right. There is some anxiety or dysphoria or weirdness, a darkness, even with IV ketamine.

Back to the most intense experience, bought some deschloroketamine and the first use took ~500mg over the night. Most intense psychedelic experience hands down, far more impactful then my stupid ~350mg 4-aco-dmt mistake.

I snorted some, smoked a little (50mg maybe total) then started to feel weird/spooked so i took a bunch of benzos. Benzos cut all inhibitons and brings out this death wish bravado in me so i thought, lets see where this shit goes. I proceeded to swallow a rock weighing around 460mg. Later i took 120mg of n-ethylpentedrone and maybe 300-400mg tianeptine sodium

Its a blur what happens next though not really, in that i remember an astonishing amount. I don't remember some things, like when my girlfriend said i was bowing to some imaginary audience.

There were many things i remember but the profound part was this: I was on the bed shortly after taking the n-ethylpentedrone and all of a sudden i feel like im rolling harder on MDMA than i ever have in my life. I give my girlfriend some apologetic hug, and boom wide eyed im sucked back into the womb and im still hugging her but now im a fetus and she is a fetus, its implied that we've known each other from back then. I remember her. But then i realize, i dont just remember her, i remember everything. The secrets of the universe. We are born omniscient beings and then forget everything upon birth. Then boom im up in space looking down on earth and see these blue beams, like a wiring system, and then im back. Granted i dont believe it for a second, now but it felt profound.

I felt high and manic for around 3 days and felt far longer. Also felt unpredictable, like walking into traffic, punching random walker-bys in the face, afraid to be around knives in fear id do something with them. I couldn't walk by my TV for a few weeks without feeling like ripping it off the wall. When i was in the car, with my girlfriend driving, i had to sit on my hands as i felt compelled to grab her steering wheel and pull it into oncoming traffic. Part of it was i had been using benzos for 5 days and stopped after the DCK experience. 5 days is enough to make me very sick and dissociated given my past monster benzo habits, but this time felt different. There was this aggressiveness i haven't really felt before (yet noneless has been seething under the surface, having been historically a fast paced testosterone charged male all my life, and yes, quick to brawl, even taking pleasure in it in my youth). I am a very nice, warm and effectionate guy but perhaps like those super sweet pit bulls or rottweilers that just snap when pushed (or frightened). Interestingly enough, I have uncle who in high school was fooling around with angel dust and flipped out, was found at a park doing donuts in the grass, had to be restrained by many people. He has been schizophrenic ever since. I believe I have a bit of that in me but i appear harder to break. During the experience i remember loudly weeping about this saying something like, "I've worried my whole life that would happen to me, this will prove if thats possible" or something in that vein.

The whole story and trip is actually quite interesting i should write it up, it is bizarre. And unfortunate in some ways for girlfriend. And me. I wouldn't do it again, but i dont regret it. Even more boggling, my girlfriend, who is still my girlfriend mind you, says that she doesn't regret that i took it because of how interesting it was to see a person in such a state, which seems crazy because i essentially half-raped her on the stuff, or rather forced myself on her (i thought we were playing some dark sex game, we weren't, i was covered in bruises from her trying to pry me off). Interestingly, like the hazy weird violent porn i would sometimes see on giant doses of nitrous, when i "woke up" the morning after the DCK, i was still tripping balls, and on the ceiling, relatively clear open eye visuals, was a spot on the ceiling playing violent 1970s looking 16mm film porn, in color.

Never ever again, but what a trip. I was afraid i wouldn't snap out of it, it was horrifying in its whole. But it was better than the 350mg of 4-aco-dmt, that was 100% horrifying and i do regret that one. But with that i snapped back in 8 hours mostly. The DCK tooks weeks to recover from. From what i later heard, the batch may have been O-PCE contaminated, which is a potent and stimulating PCP like dissociative.

 

[Jabberwocky]

The most profound trip i ever had was on, of all think, deschloroketamine.

I had never taken it before, and am sensitive and somewhat inexperienced with dissociatives. Not a big fan actually, aside from nitrous oxide. But even in that case i more enjoy the opioidergic and gabaergic properties. Nitrous, at its peak, rivals IV heroin in peak euphoria but this state is almost impossible to reach, only gotten there a few times. The head space is dark, I've seen weird, violent porn, in a fuzzy black in wide play in my minds eye on it.

In any event, ketamine and so forth, never a fan, made me feel weird. The only times i enjoyed it was intravenously where it more resembled an opioid or nitrous oxide. Only tried this with one vial. Even then it felt weird.

Back to the most intense experience, bought some deschloroketamine and the first use took ~500mg over the night. Most intense psychedelic experience hands down, far more impactful then my stupid ~350mg.

I snorted some, smoked a little (50mg maybe total) then started to feel weird/spooked so i took a bunch of benzos. Benzos cut all inhibitons and bring out this death wish bravado for me so i thought, lets see where this shit goes. I proceeded to swallow a rock weighing around 460mg. Later i took 120mg of n-ethylpentedrone and maybe 300-400mg tianeptine sodium

Its a blur what happens next though not really, in that i remember an astonishing amount. I don't remember some things, like when my girlfriend said i was bowing to some imaginary audience.

There were many things i remember but the profound part was this: I was on the bed shortly after taking the n-ethylpentedrone and all of a sudden i feel like im rolling harder on MDMA than i ever have in my life. I give my girlfriend some apologetic hug, and boom wide eyed im sucked back into the womb and im still hugging her but now im a fetus and she is a fetus, its implied that we've known each other from back then. I remember her. But then i realize, i dont just remember her, i remember everything. The secrets of the universe. We are born omniscient beings and then forget everything upon birth. Then boom im up in space looking down on earth and see these blue beams, like a wiring system, and then im back. Granted i dont believe it for a second, now but it felt profound.

I felt high and manic for around 3 days and felt far longer. Also felt unpredictable, like walking into traffic, punching random walker-bys in the face, afraid to be around knives in fear id do something with them. I couldn't walk by my TV for a few weeks without feeling like ripping it off the wall. When i was in the car, with my girlfriend driving, i had to sit on my hands as i felt compelled to grab her steering wheel and pull it into oncoming traffic. Part of it was i had been using benzos for 5 days and stopped after the DCK experience. 5 days is enough to make me very sick and dissociated given my past monster benzo habits, but this time felt different. There was this aggressiveness i haven't really felt before (yet noneless has been seething under the surface, having been historically a fast paced testosterone charged male all my life, and yes, quick to brawl, even taking pleasure in it in my youth). I am a very nice, warm and effectionate guy but perhaps like those super sweet pit bulls or rottweilers that just snap when pushed (or frightened). Interestingly enough, I have uncle who in high school was fooling around with angel dust and flipped out, was found at a park doing donuts in the grass, had to be restrained by many people. He has been schizophrenic ever since. I believe I have a bit of that in me but,

The whole story and trip is actually quite interesting i should write it up, it is bizarre. And unfortunate in some ways for girlfriend. And me. I wouldn't do it again, but i dont regret it. Even more boggling, my girlfriend, who is still my girlfriend mind you, says that she doesn't regret that i took it because of how interesting it was to see a person in such a state, which seems crazy because i essentially half-raped her on the stuff, or rather forced myself on her (i thought we were playing some dark sex game, we weren't, i was covered in bruises from her trying to pry me off). Interestingly, like the hazy weird violent porn i would sometimes see on giant doses of nitrous, when i "woke up" the morning after the DCK, i was still tripping balls, and on the ceiling, relatively clear open eye visuals, was a spot on the ceiling playing violent 1970s looking 16mm film porn, in color.

Never ever again, but what a trip. I was afraid i wouldn't snap out of it, it was horrifying in its whole. But it was better than the 350mg of 4-aco-dmt, that was 100% horrifying and i do regret that one. But with that i snapped back in 8 hours mostly. The DCK tooks weeks to recover from. From what i later heard, the batch may have been O-PCE, which is a potent and stimulating PCP like dissociative.

I love so many of your stories but I also find them frustrating because they so often reference substances just plain unavailable (or even heard of) in my part of the world. Most people consider me a "hard core" drug user but really I'm just plain vanilla who just happens to like the largest possible serving size and sometimes has desert for breakfast.

I think I could definitely deal with stronger dissociatives than Ketamine and DMT now I've come to terms with them. Though after my first experience of both I thought they were more than I could ever handle and couldn't imagine doing them willingly ever again. However, I've spent my whole adult life in psychotherapy trying to exorcise my trauma-based anger and dark propensity for violence. I wouldn't touch a drug that I thought had any chance of unleashing that shit especially in a sexually related way. Meth used to make me uncontrollably sexual but always in a really nice and never rapey kind of way. I always remaned sensitive to my partners concenting and enjoying themselves.

But I was reflecting today after maybe 6 weeks of taking acid and ketamine and sometimes DMT whenever possible and also a fair proportion of benzos to level me out and make sure I slept kind of properly, that I have been feeling random bouts of rage or anger that wants to manifest as casual violence. I am not feeling angry per se, but when I am out of a walk and some delivery guy comes barreling towards me on a pushbike on the footpath I have to consciously refrain from punching him in the face and telling to stay on the road. Or when someone crowds into the lift in my apartment not wearing a mask contrary to the law and generally accepted social behaviour, I get a sudden urgent urge to slap them down and kick them out. Even on meth I never had feelings or thoughts like that. Fortunately they are only occasional and totally controllable but I feel they are related to dissociative/psychadelic use in some way.

Generally though my main feeling most of the time atthe moment is a light melancholy and my thought all about how my life could have had a lot less collateral damage in it had a been diagnosed and treated properly as a child or teenager. It's not depression, which is interesting, at worst it's maybe sadness and not debilitating in any way. Mostly melancholoy. That's related to all this dissociatives and psychadelic use too.

 

[JackARoe]

A lot of good responses and I have nothing really. Other than any powerful experience is meaningful in ways and all 3 of these can produce those. Can't speak too much on ketamine although my first trip taught me that we don't die in ways that LSD and DMT did not. Then again both LSD and DMT are more genuine. I am too old school for dissociatives. I have that Shulgin opinion in that they are different from psychedelics. I also have that DM Turner opinion when he said DMT showed him that ketamine is a frankenstein molecule and does not follow the Shamanic path. But I also feel like it can be very helpful and meaningful used with some discretion. But getting sucked in to an addiction to where you can not quit is the trap.

LSD and DMT did change the world. The 60's, music, art etc... We have tangible evidence of that. I am not sure ketamine would have changed the world that way. But again I could be bias.

But yeah any experience in life can be beneficial and it does not even have to be drugs.

Kep yourself well perforated. Use these things as tools. Any effects that are concerning only mean to lessen the frrequency and quantity and head more towards balance.

 

[TheFrogEffect]

I really want to try Ketamine and DMT so bad. I've heard great things about both. Haven't found anyone who can get their hands on either one, though. But I can't imagine anything topping the overall feeling of acid for me. Maybe I'll be wrong one day.

 

[pupnik]

more channels to the universe open up on eth-lad or lsd - best for perspective

more rapid transformation on salvia (dmt) which hits like a temple gong and resonates afterwards - best for enthusiasm in life

both go to where I feel I am most at home, weed is like a zoom call to home - a busy interface, all the important news, a bit tiring.

 

[dragonix]

So ego death can never be negative? Because there is nothing there to feel or experience the negativity?

I highly doubt that. My experience with what they call "ego death" using substances at least but I am reckless dude.

 

[pupnik]

In my opinion, ego death is lack of short term memory (last five minutes of self-context) and preponderance of resonant layers of (abstract) memory and (chaotic) sensory experience

 

[HOOH]

So ego death can never be negative? Because there is nothing there to feel or experience the negativity?

Hey kid... psst... ego death isnt a real thing

 

[headfuck123]

High dose K and vaped DMT can be equal in intensity, being mindblowing and ineffible. For me DMT is more meaningful because it's everywhere in nature, pointng towards something which makes taking it, connect me to the universe, the earth and everyone on it. K has brought me to some mad places, that I remember feeling super meaningful and spirtual but was always left with heavy amnesia and a dirty feeling (dont like snorting suff) and K has a strong potential for addiction, which DMT definstely doesnt have for me. Any time I tried using DMT too much, it scares me away, tells me to stay in my own dimension and to work on myself before coming back, ket isn't so self limting for sure!

 

[jhjhsdi]

....wait

why not all 3 together
LSD first, peak, hit a line of K, then hit the DMT
hang out with Zeus and Krishna for a minute, intercept messages from the secret Mars station, etc

Done that. Did 2 drops of LSD then multiple grams of K on the come up and at the peak snorted 2 monster lines and smoked a changa joint under a full moon. Oh hell yeah bitches! One of the best experiences ever. Breaking through on DMT at this point would have just been too much but changa in a spliff was lovely.
Ive broken through on DMT while on K before, and ive done more K than that night while on high dose LSD before too.

@Perforated IMO they aren't really comparable. P.s im so jealous of you still being at that magic stage of K where its all fun trips and sparkles! Take it easy and dont be a fiend with it like me and you can keep that magic forever!

Also felt unpredictable, like walking into traffic, punching random walker-bys in the face, afraid to be around knives in fear id do something with them. I couldn't walk by my TV for a few weeks without feeling like ripping it off the wall. When i was in the car, with my girlfriend driving, i had to sit on my hands as i felt compelled to grab her steering wheel and pull it into oncoming traffic

LOL yeah I've had that feeling from the afterglow of high dose RC dissos before, namely diphenidine and MXP, and to some extent, MXE too, its not ideal hey

 

[simstim]

I think I've had more meaningful, and religious experiences with traditional psychedelics. Sometimes I think about God when I'm tripping and I usually wind up crying proclaiming that I feel Gods love when that kind of thing happens.

That being said, high dose IV K and MXE are the only drugs that have ever taken me to a dimension where there were beautiful, ornate temples devoted to pure energy orb beings that moved about on power wires. There were also statuesque angels with their mouths open continuously singing the carrier frequency of the energy orb beings which I could hear. The angels were loud and intense.

That was an intense experience!! Especially the first that time it happened.

I think I have also encountered this phenomenon on over a gram of DXM once but it's not so well defined in my memory.

On k the energy orb beings were always blue. On MXE they were red. On DXM I feel like they may have been other colors, including orange but it's difficult to remember.

It makes me wonder if energy orb beings aren't involved with my life ever since. It was beautiful and the sound was amazing. Completely immersive. It was nothing like a vision. I was there.

It's still amazing to remember.

 

[jhjhsdi]

high dose IV K

All i can get from this now is either an underwhelming headrush or blackouts.
Another reason @Perforated needs to keep the magic.
Because i took the piss sniffing k so frequently and like always in such high doses when i was younger i can basically never get ANYTHING even remotely psychedelic from it now, any ROA, any dose.
Very rarely, after a session of IV/IM over 5g paired with sleep dep ill get some 1 color OEV on the ceiling in a dark room, like 16bit Gameboy type shit. Its sad.
I used to get all the colorful insane type of stuff you just described from just snorting it!

I do still love it for its wonkiness though - and i also think it helps with the depression I try and ignore lol

 

[simstim]

All i can get from this now is either an underwhelming headrush or blackouts.
Another reason @Perforated needs to keep the magic.
Because i took the piss sniffing k so frequently and like always in such high doses when i was younger i can basically never get ANYTHING even remotely psychedelic from it now, any ROA, any dose.
Very rarely, after a session of IV/IM over 5g paired with sleep dep ill get some 1 color OEV on the ceiling in a dark room, like 16bit Gameboy type shit. Its sad.
I used to get all the colorful insane type of stuff you just described from just snorting it!

I do still love it for its wonkiness though - and i also think it helps with the depression I try and ignore lol

Yeah I haven't used K or MXE in many years. Needles either.

I'm thinking about trying some newer relatives, but my only source is in a country that I'm worried about getting through customs unscathed. I guess if it's legal they'll let it through though. They should.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Hey kid... psst... ego death isnt a real thing

In my opinion, ego death is lack of short term memory (last five minutes of self-context) and preponderance of resonant layers of (abstract) memory and (chaotic) sensory experience

With large doses of LSD my experience of what others may be referring to as ‘ego death’ has just been a total sensory overload and a kind of white-out that results in me not being able to stand up and usually just lying down unable to make any visual or cognitive sense of my immediate surroundings while getting a huge expansion in that sense of ‘connectedness to all things’ acid gives. It has never been a sense of total loss. It’s probably a lot closer to plain old unconsciousness. I associate it with the peak of a hard come-up. After the peak I sometimes flick back and forth a bit between feeling really happy trippy and potentially whiting out again for an hour or so. Then things settle down nicely.

On K + acid on the other hand I have several times had the experience of strongly feeling that I (in a physical sense) no longer existed and that in the form of pure disembodied consciousness I had slipped into another dimension that encompasses our physical universe (which is actually insubstantial and unstable). This other dimension is kind of like a vortex or tunnel that continually moves and in which my consciousness feels no bigger than a single anonymous atom or maybe a quark.

The first time this happened (second time I had K) I really had the sense that I had fucked up and would never again return to this universe and find my present physical form. This new dimension felt eternal and concepts like life or death didn’t exist. Things just were. Existing only at the most fundamental level, Like the sub-atomic level. Surprisingly this didn’t terrify me and make the experience negative in any way. At most I felt a kind of melancholy for not having concluded everything I wanted to do (like rectifying broken relationships) in this universe before moving on.

All in it was pretty fucking amazing. But after using only about 4 grams of K in total in my life (all in last 6 weeks or so) I have the feeling I could never get to that place again.

 

[jhjhsdi]

I have the feeling I could never get to that place again

I had that feeling long ago, but unfortunately I'm too much of a grade-A fucktard to stop trying to get back there
Dont be like me peeps! Look where it got me

 

[simstim]

I would be worried about the health side effects of k if I'd ever used it for as long as many people here have. I've only had access to it for a short period in my life.

I've done so much more MXE.