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What Jesus Said

LOL. It's no wonder they hated Jesus. And the delivery is so un-religion like. I would love if we just had one teacher like that now. Well, he's got to be around somewhere.
 
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That race car guy has more of a kind of Christ consciousness energy to him. It's a very sweet and loving energy. People don't understand it in theory, but when they meet it in actuality people adore that energy.

There's also that actor who was meant to play Christ in "The Passion of the Christ", Aidan Quinn. He's really Christ consciousness and has a very holy energy to him. But these things need to be experienced or it's something you need to become sensitive to.
 
once, in jail, i was discussing this with a bible scholar. i said the one thing in particular that jesus supposedly said and i didn't believe was, 'the only way to the father is through me'. he replied that most scholars agree with me - is that true?
 
Well, yes, because they would have similar traditions throughout the world at different times that taught the same things. Hinduism has Brahman, etc.
 
THE twelve apostles now had reached the stage of spirit consciousness, and Jesus could reveal to them the deeper meanings of his mission to the world.
2) Next week the great feast of the Jews would be observed, and Matthew said,
Shall we not gird ourselves and go unto Jerusalem?
3) But Jesus said,
We will not go up to the feast; the time is short and I have many things to say to you; come you apart into a desert place and rest a while.
4) And then they took their boats and crossed the sea, and came into a desert place near Julius Bethsaida.
5) The people saw them go, and in vast multitudes they followed them.
6) And Jesus had compassion on the anxious throng, and he stood forth and taught them all the day, because they sought a light and were like sheep without a fold.
7) And as the night came on the twelve were doubting what the multitudes would do, and Thomas said,
8 ) Lord, we are in a desert place; the multitudes have naught to eat and they are faint from lack of food; what shall we do?
9) And Jesus said,
Go to and feed the multitudes.
10) And Judas said,
Shall we go down and buy two hundred pennies' worth of bread for them to eat?
11) And Jesus said,
Go look into our larder and see how many loaves we have.
12) And Andrew said,
We have no bread, but we have found a lad who has five barley loaves and two small fish; but this would not be food enough for one in ten.
13) But Jesus said,
Command these people all to sit upon the grass in companies of twelve; and they all sat down in companies of twelve.
14) Then Jesus took the loaves and fish, and looking up to heaven he spoke the sacred Word.
15) And then he broke the bread and gave it to the twelve; he also gave the fish unto the twelve, and said,
Go to and feed the multitudes.
16) And all the people ate and were refreshed.
17) There were about five thousand men, a company of little ones, and women not a few.
18 ) And when the people all were filled the master said,
19) Let not a crumb be lost; Go to and gather up the pieces of the bread and fish for others that may want.
20) They gathered up the fragments and they filled twelve baskets full.
21) The people were bewildered by this wondrous act of power; they said,
And now we know that Jesus is the prophet that our prophets said would come;
and then they said,
All hail the king!
22) When Jesus heard them say, All hail the king! he called the twelve and bade them take their boats and go before him to the other side;
23) And he went all alone into a mountain pass to pray.
24) The twelve were on the sea and hoped to reach Capernaum in just a little time, when all at once a fearful storm arose, and they were at the mercy of the waves.
25) And in the fourth watch of the night the wind became a whirling wind, and they were filled with fear.
26) And in the blinding storm they saw a form move on the waves; it seemed to be a man, one spoke out and said, It is a ghost, a sign of evil things.
27) But John discerned the form and said,
It is the Lord.
28 ) And then the wind blew not so hard, and Peter, standing in the midst, exclaimed:
29) My Lord! my Lord! If this be truly you, bid me to come to you upon the waves.
30) The form reached forth his hand and said,
Come on.
31) And Peter stepped upon the waves and they were solid as a rock; he walked upon the waves.
32) He walked until he thought within himself,
What if the waves should break beneath my feet?
33) And then the waves did break beneath his feet, and he began to sink, and in the fearfulness of soul he cried,
O save me, Lord, or I am lost!
34) And Jesus took him by the hand and said,
O you of little faith! why did you doubt?
And Jesus led the way unto the boat.
35) The storm had spent its force; the winds were still, and they were near the shore, and when they landed they were in the valley of Gennesaret.
 
"If you do not know me, you do not know my father."

It can sound all biblical and scary.

Or it can sound like a rich kid being a prick.
 
sounds like a misunderstanding^

the idea is that jesus plays an intermediary between mankind and the father. there are a lot of definitions of god and a wide variety of interpretations about what his character is like. but if you want to commune with the father than the only way to do that is by Jesus. he is mankinds advocate. only by his blood is a sinful person able to approach him. all that means that we have to do is accept him and we can partake in the kingdom of heaven. which is an inheritance. one who follows Christ's inheritance is love, joy, peace, kindness, etc is what that speaks of and is ours to have on this earth in this life. the fruits of the spirit so to speak.

i fall victim to feeling judged, condemned, etc by some of the things the Bible says, but i ultimately i am coming to the conclusion, that god is about love and forgiveness. God is pure love and i think part of the test that is this life is finding that out. I do think that he tests us and wishes us to seek the truth. some of those tests can be about understanding that he isn't about judgement or condemnation.

the teachings of Jesus can hardly be denied. He was a great teacher and there isn't much negative to say about the guy. yet, he gets a lot of grief. Christians can suck sometimes, but i can't find any flaws in the teachings of Jesus and he seems to reflect what my impression of what God would be about. Christianity can seem pretty simple but there is a lot of depth there.

as far as this thread goes, im not sure Jesus said any of these things. some of it has kind of a pagan/gnostic feel to me. the rhythm of it all is entirely different from anything else in the Bible. he could have said some of it suppose but i wouldnt put a whole lot of faith in it personally.
 
That's funny, as this rings more true to me than most of what is said in the Bible, which sounds very censored/manipulated.
 
NOW, Jesus took the twelve and with them crossed the sea at night and came unto the borders of Decapolis,
2) That he might find a secret place where, all alone, he could reveal to them the things to come.
3) They went into a mountain pass and spent three days in prayer.
4) Then Jesus said,
Behold, the time is near when I will walk with you in flesh no more.
5) Lo, I have taught that he who counts his life of so much worth that he would give it not in willing sacrifice to save his brother man, is worthy not to enter into life.
6) Lo, I am come as pattern for the sons of men, and I have not refrained from helpfulness.
7) When I had passed the seven tests in Heliopolis, I consecrated life and all I had, to save the world.
8 ) In the Judean wilderness I fought the strongest foes of men, and there I reaffirmed my consecration to the service of my fellow man.
9) In troubles and in trials I have wavered not; when false accusers came, I answered not.
10) God gave the saving Word to me, and I have often spoken it and healed the sick, drove unclean spirits out, and raised the dead.
11) And I have shown you how to speak the Word; and I have given you the Word;
12) In just a little while we turn our faces toward Jerusalem, and one of you who hear me now will then betray me into wicked hands.
13) The scribes and Pharisees will bring false charges up and hale me into court, and, by consent of Rome, I will be crucified.
14) Then Peter said,
My Lord, it shall not be. The Roman soldiers will tread on twelve dead men before they reach our Lord.
15) But Jesus said,
A saviour of the world cannot resist.
16) I came to save the world and I have taken up your names before the highest courts of heaven, and you have been confirmed as saviours of the world.
17) And not a name, excepting that of him who shall betray, will ever be disgraced.
18 ) I go my way, and though my flesh shall pass, my soul will stand beside you all the way to guide and bless.
19) And wicked men will seize you in the streets, and as you kneel in prayer; will charge you with some legal crime, and think they serve their God by putting you to death.
20) But falter not; the load will heavy be, but with the consciousness of duty done, the peace of God will lift the load, dispel the pain and light the way.
21) And we will meet where carnal executioners come not; there we will serve the cruel men, who in their ignorance had tortured us to death.
22) Can we prevent this outrage and this slaughter of our lives? If not we are but creatures of the ebb and flow of carnal things. It would not be a sacrifice of life.
23) But we are masters of the things of time. Lo, we can speak, and all the spirits of the fire, water, earth and air will stand in our defense.
24) We can command and many legions of the angel world would come and strike our enemies to earth.
25) But it is best that not a power of heaven or earth should come to our relief. And it is best that even God should veil his face and seem to hear us not.
26) As I am pattern unto you, so you are patterns for the human race. We show by non-resistance that we give our lives in willing sacrifice for man.
27) But my example will not end with death. My body will be laid within a tomb in which no flesh has lain, symbolic of the purity of life in death.
28 ) And in the tomb I will remain three days in sweet communion with the Christ, and with my Father-God and Mother-God.
29) And then, symbolic of the ascent of the soul to higher life, my flesh within the tomb will disappear;
30) Will be transmuted into higher form, and, in the presence of you all, I will ascend to God.
31) Then Jesus and the twelve went to a village by the sea.
 
I wonder if he actually believes his death will save, and why. I'm sure he'll have a good reason for it, but I just don't understand how his death is meant to save us. I can understand how his life could, in many ways.
 
The idea of propitiation is that somehow his death is an appeasement of our "sins" and allowing us access to God.

In practice what I find is some people just can't forgive themselves for things they did, this is where I see WE are held back from God by our own mindset not because of some toxicity toward God but because we haven't learned to love ourselves. This appeasement isn't for God at all, it is for those that are stuck behind some law they feel they broke. Once we can forgive ourselves we can see how to forgive others and the path to divinity/God is visible again.

When Christians become obsessed in thinking, "if it works for me it must be for you too", it deters people from even looking at why. I needed this at a time in my life, things seemed pointless and lost. Now, my spiritual beliefs are fairly far off the traditional christian but I still began at this point and still understand I needed this teaching to get here. Religion is a lot of bathwater but Jesus still opened up my life, real or not doesn't even matter to me now, just another Catch 22 on the way through life.
 
Well said. People nearly only focus on the bad sides of Christianity, I think, and it's easy to forget that it's really helped many. Not everyone necessarily has the motivation to read so much for themselves and find their own path, and it can be helpful for those.
 
NOW, in the night while the disciples slept, lo, Jesus rose and went alone into a mountain pass, six miles away, to pray.
2) And in the morning when the twelve awoke they could not find the Lord, and all the people of the village sought, and when the sun had passed its highest point they found him in the mountain pass.
3) And multitudes of people came and brought their sick, and Jesus taught and healed.
4) And when the night came on the people would not go; they slept upon the ground that they might be a-near the Lord.
5) Three days and nights the multitudes remained, and none had aught to eat.
6) And Jesus had compassion and he said,
If I should send the multitudes away they might not reach their homes, for they are faint, for some have journeyed many miles.
7) And his disciples said,
Where shall we get enough of food to feed them all? There are four thousand men, besides the women and the little ones.
8 ) And Jesus said,
How many loaves have you?
9) They answered,
Seven, and some little fish.
10) And Jesus said,
Go to, and seat the people as you seated them the other day when all the multitudes were fed, in companies of twelve.
11) And when the people were sat down in companies of twelve the loaves and fish were brought.
12) And Jesus looked to heaven and spoke the Word; and then he broke the seven loaves in little bits, and likewise cut the fish.
13) And every bit of bread became a loaf, and every piece of fish became a fish.
14) The twelve went forth and gave to every one; the people ate and they were filled; and all the fragments that were left were gathered up, and there were seven baskets full.
15) And then the people went their ways, and the twelve took boats and came to Dalmanatha by the sea.
16) Here they remained for many days, and Jesus told the twelve about the inner light that cannot fail;
17) About the kingdom of the Christ within the soul; about the power of faith; about the secret of the resurrection of the dead; about immortal life, and how the living may go forth and help the dead.
18 ) And then they went into their boats, and came unto the northern coast of Galilee, and in Chorazin where the kin of Thomas lived, they left their boats and journeyed on.
19) They came to Merom, where the crystal waters seem to catch the images of heaven and to reflect the glory of the Lord of hosts.
20) And here they tarried certain days in silent thought.
21) And then they journeyed on, and came into the land of Caesarea-Philippi.
22) And as they walked and talked among themselves, the master said,
What do the people say about the son of man? Who do they think I am?
23) And Matthew said,
Some say that you are David come again; some say that you are Enoch, Solomon, or Seth.
24) And Andrew said,
I heard a ruler of the synagogue exclaim, This man is Jeremiah, for he speaks like Jeremiah wrote.
25) Nathaniel said,
The foreign masters who were with us for a time, declared that Jesus is Gautama come again.
26) James said,
I think that most the master Jews believe you are the reappearance of Elijah on the earth.
27) And John spoke out and said,
When we were in Jerusalem I heard a seer exclaim, This Jesus is none other than Melchizedek, the king of peace, who lived about two thousand years ago, and said that he would come again.
28 ) And Thomas said,
The Tetrarch Herod thinks that you are John arisen from the dead;
29) But then his conscience troubles him; the spirit of the murdered John looms up before him in his dreams, and haunts him as a spectre of the night.
30) And Jesus asked,
Who do you think I am?
31) And Peter said,
You are the Christ, the love of God made manifest to men.
32) And Jesus said,
Thrice blessed are you, Simon, Jonas' son. You have declared a truth that God has given you.
33) You are a rock, and you shall be a pillar in the temple of the Lord of hosts.
34) And your confession is the cornerstone of faith, a rock of strength, and on this rock the Church of Christ is built.
35) Against it all the powers of hades and of death cannot prevail.
36) Behold, I give to you the keys to open up the doors of safety for the sons of men.
37) The Holy Breath will come upon you and the ten, and in Jerusalem you shall stand before the nations of the earth, and there proclaim the covenant of God with men.
38 ) And you shall speak the words of Holy Breath, and whatsoever God requires of men as earnest of their faith in Christ, you shall make known.
39) Then turning to the twelve he said,
What you have heard this day tell not to any man.
40) Then Jesus and the twelve went up and were Susanna's guests for many days.
 
THE news soon spread that Jesus and the twelve were come, and many people came to see.
2) And Jesus said,
Behold, you come to see, but that means naught. If you would have the benedictions of the Christ, take up your cross and follow me.
3) If you would give your life for selfish self, then you will lose your life.
4) If you will give your life in service of your fellow men, then you will save your life.
5) This life is but a span, a bauble of today. There is a life that passes not.
6) Where is your profit if you gain the world and lose your soul? What would you take in payment for your soul?
7) If you would find the spirit life, the life of man in God, then you must walk a narrow way and enter through a narrow gate.
8 ) The way is Christ, the gate is Christ, and you must come up by the way of Christ. No man comes unto God but by the Christ.
9) The kingdom of the Christ will come; yea, some of you who hear me now will not pass through the gates of death until you see the kingdom come in power.
10) For seven days the master and the twelve remained in Caesarea-Philippi.
11) Then Jesus, taking Peter, James and John, went forth unto a mountain top to pray.
12) And as he prayed a brilliant light appeared; his form became as radiant as a precious stone;
13) His face shone like the sun; his garments seemed as white as snow; the son of man became the son of God.
14) He was transfigured that the men of earth might see the possibilities of man.
15) When first the glory came the three disciples were asleep; a master touched their eyes and said,
Awake and see the glory of the Lord.
16) And they awoke, and saw the glory of the Lord; and more, they saw the glory of the heavenly world, for they beheld two men from thence stand forth beside the Lord.
17) And Peter asked the master who awakened them,
Who are these men who stand beside the Lord?
18 ) The master said,
These men are Moses and Elijah, who are come that you may know that heaven and earth are one; that masters there and masters here are one.
19) The veil that separates the worlds is but an ether veil. For those who purify their hearts by faith the veil is rolled aside, and they can see and know that death is an illusive thing.
20) And Peter said,
Praise God! And then he called to Jesus and he said, My master and my Lord, this is the gate of heaven, and it is well that we remain.
21) May we go down and bring three tents; a tent for you, a tent for Moses, and for Elijah one?
But Jesus answered not.
22) And Moses and Elijah talked with Jesus on the mount. They talked about the coming trial of the Lord;
23) About his death, his rest within the tomb; about the wonders of the resurrection morn; the transmutation of his flesh, and his ascension on the clouds of light;
24) And all symbolic of the path that every man must tread; symbolic of the way the sons of men become the sons of God.
25) The three disciples were amazed, and suddenly the ethers were surcharged with song, and forms as light as air moved all about the mountain top.
26) And then from out the glory of the upper world they heard a voice that said,
27) This is the son of man, my chosen one to manifest the Christ to men. Let all the earth hear him.
28 ) When the disciples heard the voice they were afraid; they fell upon the ground and prayed.
29) And Jesus came; he touched them and he said,
Arise, fear not; lo, I am here.
30) Then they arose, and as they looked about they saw no one; the men had gone. The master only stood with them.
31) As Jesus and the three came from the mountain top they talked about the meaning of the scene, and Jesus told them all; and then he said,
32) Till I have risen from the dead tell not to any one what you have seen.
33) But the disciples could not comprehend the meaning of the words, Till I have risen from the dead.
34) And Jesus told them once again about his death, and rising from the grave; about the kingdom of the soul that was to come in glory and in power.
35) But Peter said,
The scribes have taught that e'er the king shall come Elijah must appear.
36) And Jesus said,
Elijah has already come; but scribes and Pharisees received him not;
37) And men reviled him, bound him, cast him in a prison cell, and shouted with a fiend's delight to see him die.
38 ) What men have done to him, that they will do to me.
39) Then the disciples understood that Jesus spoke of John whom Herod slew.
 
I actually believe that what he says here is the literal truth but that is only because I've studied Eastern teachings and mysticism all my life.

Otherwise it just comes accross as something fairy tale-like that's not relevant to our life. At least I was never able to understand it from the Christian perspective, because it doesn't explain anything so it doesn't make sense. But now it seems more like the obvious and I think it's the essential truth.
 
Ninae said:
I actually believe that what he says here is the literal truth but that is only because I've studied Eastern teachings and mysticism all my life.

Otherwise it just comes accross as something fairy tale-like that's not relevant to our life. At least I was never able to understand it from the Christian perspective, because it doesn't explain anything so it doesn't make sense. But now it seems more like the obvious and I think it's the essential truth.
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This seems like truth in my experience as well. I think we all need to look at why we have so much discord in our own heads and if we are honest with ourselves we can find amazing internal peace.

I came into my spiritual experience because of Christianity and found the salvation Christians speak of. To live the Christ consciousness life without Buddhist and Hindu teaching as well seems impossible.

How could anyone have found their way to the surface of this bizarre world before the internet?
 
Yes, I think Christianity is set up more with Christ as a godlike figure that you should worship but can't hope to emulate in any real way. I don't know, I guess it was only for the very highly educated and most people didn't stand a chance.

I guess that's why Jesus emphasised faith as much, as that was all the people he preached to could ever aspire to. They didn't have access to books and most were probably illiterate. Those in the higher classes were able to study and practice for themselves to see what was true, and to travel and meet people, like he did. But most of the people would never have an opportunity for that and only had faith to go by.

Kind of like if we were going to go and teach about hygiene and nutrition to the primitive people of Africa. They really would just have to take our word for it. That doesn't make much sense to us now we have much greater oppurtunities for education, but it wasn't always that way.
 
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I've watched his video and read his message, he seems pretty sincere. He spoke a lot about sin in his video, and a need for forgiveness, perhaps he needed the act of salvation. regardless of what people who have not experience it seem to think it is a life changing moment. For me I was 15 years old. Still once you have done that it's not like you ever go back. Accepting Christ or taking the Christ consciousness, is a simple act that works. The religion has all the crap religions have but salvation is a real experience. Having spent the next 40ish years figuring out what was actually true and what wasn't was little better so I left it all behind, until for no reason that I understand I got a wake up call.

I have attempted to find the edges of this experience I still refer to myself as christian, they (christians) may disagree but on the issue of salvation we both agree. It is interesting that I would consider the spirit guide I have to be the spirit of God as he does as well, not some other pickup entity. My doctrine is probably heretical but I'm not much for doctrine.
 
Yes, I have had some encounters with the Holy Spirit, and it is very real. I've put in very little energy in that direction, but I know what is possible if you do.

I basically agree with what this guy says. I believe God is a personal being and not just an energy. And there is no concept of sin (which is really dharma/karma) in the New Age and that's a problem.

I wouldn't take it as far as to reject all the Eastern teachings of heresy, though, as that is their form of Christianity, and the great Christian mystics like Peter Deunov also taught about many of those things, like meditation and a higher self.
 
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