Ok, i would say that this is probably the main reason that i decided to stop lurking and finally make a BL account, because what im experiencing is beyond frustrating. Hope this is the right section, as its part basic-preventative info, part trip report(s), part pharmacology... idk. I thank each and every person who reads thru this, as i am seriously having difficulty figuring this out and i know SOMEONE out there has experienced something similar.
A little background... im 27 y/o, male, live in southern California. Been using one drug or another for 10 years, opiates basically throughout until 3 months ago. I would say that i am definitely an authority on drugs and how they affect MY body and what i can expect out of one drug or another.
I have dabbled in just about every drug there is, save for real mescaline and PCP (just never came across my path i guess LOL) but, as most of us know, the one that really undeniably sunk its teeth in was the general brand of opiates...painkillers, predominantly heroin. Ive had it in my life for 7 years and could not for the life of me kick it for more time than i was in residential treatment. Typical story, i know. In the last treatment i was in, one of the staff members told me about a once a month shot called Vivitrol. She said it blocked all effects from opiates and was proven to significantly curb cravings. Sounded good, and my insurance would cover it in its entirety. ($1200/ shot otherwise)
I decided to give it a go. They told me in the consultation that i needed to be 7-10 days clean prior to getting the shot, as precipitated (acute, accelerated) w/d would happen if i didnt, since Vivitrol immediately knock any opioids right off your receptors and sits on them for the duration, not allowing any other chems to attach. I was not able to gather enough willpower to stop even for ONE day, and used all the way up until the night before, telling myself i would be able to handle a day or two of kicking, if it meant freedom from dope afterwards. I got the shot and within 30 minutes, already felt sore, yawning like crazy, and my legs were starting on their trip as well. All symptoms just got worse and i had a fairly terrible rest of the day, night and morning after. And then it was over, i felt ok.
I have not had ANY cravings at all to use opiates, or even TRY and see if it would work, as many ppl on here have (to no avail). I knew that it would be a waste of cash and total frustration, and plus, i didnt feel like i needed it at ALL. The absence of opiate cravings still stands true to this day.
My problem is... I have tried other drugs (since i still feel like getting high from time to time) and have noticed something (actually a few something's) that the doctor or the internet never told me was going to happen. My sex drive is all but completely left me. I dont ever get even a dirty thought around the sexy girls at my work, feel the urge to masturbate or watch porn at all, and cant even get hard when said porn is watched. Drinking is also out, alcohol has no pleasurable effects but i knew that goin in. Not much of a big drinker, dont mind. I dont eat or crave food like i used to, nor do i sleep quite as well.
AND THE KICKER... i have done meth, powder cocaine, even smoked rock cocaine (just to see if itd work!!) and realized that the effects of these drugs (which act primarily by releasing more dopamine, more or less) have been greatly diminished or straight up ERASED by... something.. Vivitrol is seemingly the variable, but i also started taking a slew of vitamins (lsted at bottom) in the last 2 months, which corresponds with the loss of effects. Im sayin i can smoke a bunch of crystal, til im basically shakin, and not feel one single ioda of desire to watch porn..or do much of anything for that matter. Sex ruled my mind when i used to do meth here and there, and EVERYTHING was super fun. Now granted i have been smoking it fairly consistently for about the last month, and take tolerance/ dopamine reuptake pathway damage into account. But especially since after the 3rd shot, the effects of any stim have been SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. Since this started noticeably occurring, i have researched a bit and seen some studies for Naltrexone (Vivitrol) suggesting that it can help with more than just opiates & alcohol... but meth as well, as proven by people coming in and being given Naltrexone (or placebo) for a few days and then given IV methamphetamine. Naltrexone works by, essentially, blocking the dopamine reuptake/release via an outside agonist (heroin), and in my experience, does not affect dopamine release from natural stimuli, like actually having fun, good music, etc. However, heroin, meth, coke, amp, and many other drugs work on the dopamine receptors, thus presenting the possibility of some (or all) of their effects being somewhat muted. Like off-label uses that havent been thoroughly discovered yet.
Now, I have taken these stims (meth, coke) before starting Viv and can attest to their quality, as I lived 2-3 hrs from the border and the coke and crys that i always get are both from the same...well... the same guy with Mexican cartel connections... just know its quality, respectively the best ive had of both.
So know i am seemingly OUT of options, except to be sober, which i mean... isnt so bad, but id still like to use occasionally since nothing but opiates have been detrimantal in my life thus far and ive never liked anything else enough to do it consistently at all. I dont like weed, after i stopped smoking years ago, it just makes me way too high and uncomfortable every time i do it. Its out. Psychs are fun, acid works just fine LOL did it a few weeks back, but psychs dont fit the bill of what im lookin for in terms of social/ comfortable use, understandably.
Now i know some of you will probably just say somethin like "count your blessings and be clean, most of us would Love to be free of real cravings and out from under the fear of w/d!!!"
I get it. Im just looking for some people who have experienced something like this, AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT THINK IM TOTALLY WRONG!! please. i WANT to be wrong, but i know its not weak dope. I dont ever smoke coke, EVER. and i did earlier today (HUGE rips, should have been major ringers, but instead had no high OR any comedown). I want to think a period of abstinence from everything is all i need, maybe a few weeks, but ive never needed that before to get high...
. Im currently on the 3rd month of Vivitrol (Naltrexone) 350mg time release injection as well as these supplements DAILY:
-GNC Mens multivitamin (plenty of random ingredients)
-1000mg Omega 3 fish oil
-500-1000mg L-tyrosine (for dopamine supplementation...tell me if youve heard it can be an inhibitor!!)
-100mg 5-htp (for serotonin supplementation..again.......^^^)
-500mg Turmeric root extract (great antioxidant, many uses)
Thank you so much for reading this and pleasee leave me any input you think is necessary..or not necessary, i dont care.
A little background... im 27 y/o, male, live in southern California. Been using one drug or another for 10 years, opiates basically throughout until 3 months ago. I would say that i am definitely an authority on drugs and how they affect MY body and what i can expect out of one drug or another.
I have dabbled in just about every drug there is, save for real mescaline and PCP (just never came across my path i guess LOL) but, as most of us know, the one that really undeniably sunk its teeth in was the general brand of opiates...painkillers, predominantly heroin. Ive had it in my life for 7 years and could not for the life of me kick it for more time than i was in residential treatment. Typical story, i know. In the last treatment i was in, one of the staff members told me about a once a month shot called Vivitrol. She said it blocked all effects from opiates and was proven to significantly curb cravings. Sounded good, and my insurance would cover it in its entirety. ($1200/ shot otherwise)
I decided to give it a go. They told me in the consultation that i needed to be 7-10 days clean prior to getting the shot, as precipitated (acute, accelerated) w/d would happen if i didnt, since Vivitrol immediately knock any opioids right off your receptors and sits on them for the duration, not allowing any other chems to attach. I was not able to gather enough willpower to stop even for ONE day, and used all the way up until the night before, telling myself i would be able to handle a day or two of kicking, if it meant freedom from dope afterwards. I got the shot and within 30 minutes, already felt sore, yawning like crazy, and my legs were starting on their trip as well. All symptoms just got worse and i had a fairly terrible rest of the day, night and morning after. And then it was over, i felt ok.
I have not had ANY cravings at all to use opiates, or even TRY and see if it would work, as many ppl on here have (to no avail). I knew that it would be a waste of cash and total frustration, and plus, i didnt feel like i needed it at ALL. The absence of opiate cravings still stands true to this day.
My problem is... I have tried other drugs (since i still feel like getting high from time to time) and have noticed something (actually a few something's) that the doctor or the internet never told me was going to happen. My sex drive is all but completely left me. I dont ever get even a dirty thought around the sexy girls at my work, feel the urge to masturbate or watch porn at all, and cant even get hard when said porn is watched. Drinking is also out, alcohol has no pleasurable effects but i knew that goin in. Not much of a big drinker, dont mind. I dont eat or crave food like i used to, nor do i sleep quite as well.
AND THE KICKER... i have done meth, powder cocaine, even smoked rock cocaine (just to see if itd work!!) and realized that the effects of these drugs (which act primarily by releasing more dopamine, more or less) have been greatly diminished or straight up ERASED by... something.. Vivitrol is seemingly the variable, but i also started taking a slew of vitamins (lsted at bottom) in the last 2 months, which corresponds with the loss of effects. Im sayin i can smoke a bunch of crystal, til im basically shakin, and not feel one single ioda of desire to watch porn..or do much of anything for that matter. Sex ruled my mind when i used to do meth here and there, and EVERYTHING was super fun. Now granted i have been smoking it fairly consistently for about the last month, and take tolerance/ dopamine reuptake pathway damage into account. But especially since after the 3rd shot, the effects of any stim have been SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. Since this started noticeably occurring, i have researched a bit and seen some studies for Naltrexone (Vivitrol) suggesting that it can help with more than just opiates & alcohol... but meth as well, as proven by people coming in and being given Naltrexone (or placebo) for a few days and then given IV methamphetamine. Naltrexone works by, essentially, blocking the dopamine reuptake/release via an outside agonist (heroin), and in my experience, does not affect dopamine release from natural stimuli, like actually having fun, good music, etc. However, heroin, meth, coke, amp, and many other drugs work on the dopamine receptors, thus presenting the possibility of some (or all) of their effects being somewhat muted. Like off-label uses that havent been thoroughly discovered yet.
Now, I have taken these stims (meth, coke) before starting Viv and can attest to their quality, as I lived 2-3 hrs from the border and the coke and crys that i always get are both from the same...well... the same guy with Mexican cartel connections... just know its quality, respectively the best ive had of both.
So know i am seemingly OUT of options, except to be sober, which i mean... isnt so bad, but id still like to use occasionally since nothing but opiates have been detrimantal in my life thus far and ive never liked anything else enough to do it consistently at all. I dont like weed, after i stopped smoking years ago, it just makes me way too high and uncomfortable every time i do it. Its out. Psychs are fun, acid works just fine LOL did it a few weeks back, but psychs dont fit the bill of what im lookin for in terms of social/ comfortable use, understandably.
Now i know some of you will probably just say somethin like "count your blessings and be clean, most of us would Love to be free of real cravings and out from under the fear of w/d!!!"
I get it. Im just looking for some people who have experienced something like this, AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT THINK IM TOTALLY WRONG!! please. i WANT to be wrong, but i know its not weak dope. I dont ever smoke coke, EVER. and i did earlier today (HUGE rips, should have been major ringers, but instead had no high OR any comedown). I want to think a period of abstinence from everything is all i need, maybe a few weeks, but ive never needed that before to get high...
. Im currently on the 3rd month of Vivitrol (Naltrexone) 350mg time release injection as well as these supplements DAILY:
-GNC Mens multivitamin (plenty of random ingredients)
-1000mg Omega 3 fish oil
-500-1000mg L-tyrosine (for dopamine supplementation...tell me if youve heard it can be an inhibitor!!)
-100mg 5-htp (for serotonin supplementation..again.......^^^)
-500mg Turmeric root extract (great antioxidant, many uses)
Thank you so much for reading this and pleasee leave me any input you think is necessary..or not necessary, i dont care.
. I just wanted you to know you're not being ignored!
