What I intend to do [Advice Needed Please]

[mountainrange]

Hey guys.
I intend to take over a 1,000ug of LSD. This is the first time I would of taken such a high dose but I want to try it. I've taken LSD three times, mushrooms a dozen (at least 10 times) and mescaline once. I've had incredible experiences as I've progressed through life particularly due to maturity and gaining a better understanding of life. I intend to take it whilst camping on my own, no trip sitter, no-one but myself and I intend to take it away from people and places that may disorientate as can be expected when taking high doses of psychedelics. Apart from not having a lot of money right now I have no other issues in my life, I'm not depressed, not psychotic, not on any medication and don't take drugs other than psychedelics maybe twice a year at the most, once in the Spring/Summer and in the Autumn when the local fields fill with mushrooms. In life I'm stable, I'm the one who doesn't worry about having tonnes of money, cars, houses etc. I'm not superficial and I don't do social media and I keep myself to myself, not a loner but not been in a position to be social where I'm living right now either.

I want to take such an amount because A) I want to know what it feels like, I've heard a lot about taking heroic doses and B) I really want to delve deep into my mind and I'd love to try such a dose to see where it gets me. I've never had a 'bad' trip, the only time I've really f*cked up so to speak was when I took mushrooms with an idiot who was meant to be my friend apart from that all my experiences more-so the most recent ones (in the last few years) have been amazing. I've taken 180ug twice, 360ug twice, over 5g of mushrooms several times if not more and mescaline once at 500mg.

Looking for advice, suggestions, comments please! Thanks guys!

 

[LlewellynDrury]

Such a high dose shouldn't be taken alone in the wilderness. Go with a sitter you trust or take the dosage you are used to. Over 500 ug, for most people, it's a transpersonnal/mystical experience that is often difficult to remember, LSD can cause amnesia.

I strongly suggest you to learn yoga and meditation and pranctice while tripping. That way you will be able to access the deepest realms with lower doses.

Camping by myself in the mountains is definitly one of my favorite setting.

Take care

 

[mountainrange]

Why do you suggest yoga/meditation?
I've been practicing meditation for quite a while now; mindfulness. I find it amazing! I'm not a fan of yoga, don't feel it necessary then again I've never actually tried it to perhaps I have opinions on it that need addressing with evidence? Maybe. I've taken somewhat close to 500ug before, maybe not 500ug but somewhere near, around 120ug less if I do the math properly and don't count me on that - my math is terrible. I've taken dozens of mushrooms which have through my recollection been way stronger than any LSD experiences I've had. I can see your point on high doses and being alone without a trip sitter though it goes without question; I will be using a high dose and it will be on my own.

 

[Dracarys]

I think you may be underestimating LSD a little here. If 360ug is the most you've ever done, there is no way that you can have a clear picture of how you would respond to such a dose. 1000ug realy is extreme for someone who doesn't have a high tolerance for acid. I'll bet that if you take just a little over 360, say 400, you will be satisfied already. It doesn't take that much at all. To get the experience you're after, you only need to take just a little bit more. Just that little bit extra is enough to get you there. Trust me, too much acid is not funny at all.You won't be able to think, let alone think rationally.

 

[jammin83]

I would not jump right in at over 1 mg. I agree with dracarys that you might be underestimating how strong L can get. not fun strong.

I would try 500 to 600 mics first and see how that goes. Tripping 3 times at medium doses isn't a ton of experience with acid. Titrate your way up. 500 mics is plenty strong and some think that saturation happens around that range anyway. only takes 10 mics are so for it to be noticeably stronger. Too high of a dose could be traumatic or ruin a great drug for you. most likely you will just feel like you have lost your damn mind...bad idea to not have somebody present. 1 mg and up you are going to wish somewhere was around.

If you are talking about street L25, then most likely You don't have any idea how much is actually on those tabs so I would gauge potency first if it's a new batch.

I'm not saying you can't handle it but over 1 mg is an extremely high dose. Doesn't sound very fun to me tbh but you might like it. Dpnt let me ruin your fun tho man. Good luck.

 

[Atmozfears]

The fact that you act like you aren't going to have a bad trip or have anything else go wrong is a little concerning. It's always possible.

 

[slimvictor]

I agree with people who say you might be underestimating LSD.
Partly because you said mushrooms have always been stronger for you - not much can possibly be as strong as 1000ug of LSD, so you might be headed for a different word.
I took a large dose of acid before I was experienced, and alone. It was difficult, to say the least, and not fun.

I now have had over 100 psychedelic experiences over the past 30 years. I have taken large doses of LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, ayahuasca, DMT, and a few others. I have read about psychedelics and talked with experienced people over these 3 decades.

I met a guy who took 90 hits so the cops wouldn't catch him with it. (Probably much stronger than your dose, but then again, 45ug or so is average, so it may have only been about 3 times what you are planning to take.) He had some major permanent problems afterward. The barrier between his conscious mind and his subconscious broke down, and seemed to be broken forever. Very scary.

Based on my experiences, I would strongly advise that you have a trip sitter before taking so much LSD in the mountains alone. You are setting up a situation that could potentially be disastrous.
When you take that high of a dose, you will no longer be in control, at all.
It doesn't sound like you understand that you might "wake up" after 8 or 10 hours to find yourself naked, lost, hurt, trapped, etc.
This is a VERY real possibility.
I will say it simply : in the name of harm reduction, DON'T TAKE A MASSIVE DOSE OF LSD BY YOURSELF IN THE MOUNTAINS FOR YOUR FIRST HUGE EXPERIENCE!

And, how do you know the doses? If you don't know the chemist, there is no way you can know how much LSD is on each tab (etc.). With you admitting you have bad math skills - better not fuck this up. There could be no return.

Peace.

 

[mountainrange]

Thanks all for your responses. I'm not an unwise man nor am I irresponsible in the context of drug abuse so I'm not saying that I'm ignorant to what anyone is saying. You may face particular people that have no idea about what they are taking or why or the potential side effects whereas I've been studying psychedelics for the past few years. I'm well aware of the side effects and the damage they can cause and if it comes to a definition of abuse, three times a year for the past 2 years and maybe once a year in the past at random intervals is barely abuse. If I could count I'd say I've probably taken psychedelics 15-20 times so far and that's over the period of about 10-15 years.

As for the acid. Well, I'd be testing it both by sending a sample to energy control and doing my own basic drug test with a test kit. The sampling done by the gas spectrometry gives a percentage of drug content in the product which can be equated to the quality of the drug and what other contaminants and adulterants (if any) are present, this process is simple and doesn't cost me much and I can get feedback from EC after 2 weeks.

To answer any further questions and by no means is just a statement to end this conversation as I'd like to talk more about this I cannot get a trip sitter because I don't have anyone suitable to take that role. I'm no sociopath but I dont associate with many people at least not in my current circumstances where I'm kinda shut out from the wider world (rural area in Europe) so socialising with like minded people is hard seeing as the culture and social backdrop in this area is very restrictive.

As for the control aspect. It's not something I want to worry about as the only time I would lose control (based on past evidence) is encountering unfamiliar people and ending up parading down streets and public places like last time thanks to a silly 'trip leader' irresponsible unawakened ex-friend which really disorientated me. The only thing is, I embraced it whereas he fought it so he ended up getting paranoid and I ended up having to get him out of bad thought loops and I was supposed to be the trip cadet not the trip leader.

So based on that, if I was away from any harm or threatening environments and I'd do some recon work beforehand to ensure that I'm not slap bang on a walkers path or a popular area then I'd be okay as proven. Then again, 360ug is very different than 1000ug and it is just an idea and like I said I'm not irresponsible, I play everything to a tee and I'm very meticulous and precise in all my critical thinking so I'm pretty confident in my abilities and my emotional intelligence in this regard.

I may just up the dose to say 500ug and enjoy the ride. Last time I was by the side of a mountain on looking a beautiful lake and it was amazing. I only started to get confused when a guy I used to know (also the same guy as mentioned earlier) wanted to walk by the side of a busy road and walk on a popular walkers path in an area we weren't knowledgeable about and we went past a dozen people who wanted to talk and have a normal conversation and I just wanted to trip man... Was a clash of intentions...

Either way, experiences are experiences and I'd know to not make those same mistakes again.

 

[woodyfence]

1 mg trips are by far my favorite! I've actually been doing that every weekend for a few weeks now. I even did it with 100 mg MDMA two weeks ago (that was insanely awesome, no ego death but lots of stupification, astonishment, and mindfucking). It's very intense, much more intense than any lower dosages. I think the effects of LSD seem to cap around 1 mg or so, honestly. I've done 6 hits of what I suspect to be 500 mcg and it wasn't that much different from 4, nor 2 from the same batch. It just lasted a couple hours longer. I saw a Dominos pizza box morph into a dog with its tongue out though. I'd suggest staying in your bed if you're going to dose so high; you're almost certain to lose your mind or have an ego death, especially if you smoke a fuckton (can recommend, it gives me insane waves of pleasure across my whole body).

 

[mountainrange]

I don't smoke cannabis nor do I do anything else. I definitely wouldn't take such a high dose every week but each to their own I say. Are you sure you are taking 1,000ug every weekend? Doesn't seem like it to me because I know without taking such a high dose before that there is going to be a HUGE difference between moderate to heavy trips and then taking 1,000ug. LSD is active at as low as 30ug and you can feel it's potential well into 100ug. At 180ug I was deep into a philosophical trip and that's a pretty standard dose. At 360 I was blown away and the acid I took had countless amounts of verification pointing to it's purity and dosage. It really sounds like your LSD might be severely underdosed if you are taking such high doses so frequently. Have you had your stuff lab tested?

I wouldn't smoke weed and trip as I've heard it can disorientate you and confuse you more, I'm not sure if you read my original thread but I mentioned the fact that I'd be tripping along and until I can pinpoint exactly where I'll tripping among everything else I wouldn't want to be adding anything else to the mix not at least without a tripsitter which as the original thread states, I don't have and cannot get.

 

[woodyfence]

1 blotter from my chemist he says is 125-150 mcg and I get good visuals from just 1 blotter. I've had weak blotters and gels before, and I was frustrated by this and had my first ego death when I took 15 tabs of weak blotter that I think was about 50 mcg.

 

[Dracarys]

1 mg trips are by far my favorite! I've actually been doing that every weekend for a few weeks now. I even did it with 100 mg MDMA two weeks ago (that was insanely awesome, no ego death but lots of stupification, astonishment, and mindfucking). It's very intense, much more intense than any lower dosages. I think the effects of LSD seem to cap around 1 mg or so, honestly. I've done 6 hits of what I suspect to be 500 mcg and it wasn't that much different from 4, nor 2 from the same batch. It just lasted a couple hours longer. I saw a Dominos pizza box morph into a dog with its tongue out though. I'd suggest staying in your bed if you're going to dose so high; you're almost certain to lose your mind or have an ego death, especially if you smoke a fuckton (can recommend, it gives me insane waves of pleasure across my whole body).

If you're doing that every weekend, you must have a massive tolerance. If that is so, your experiences cannot in any possible way represent what 1 mg of acid is like for someone who doesn't have this tolerance. I know this from my own experiences. There was a time, when i took acid every week. I ended up taking massive amounts like you. A while ago, after a more than ten year break, i started doing it again. Now, i'm doing it only every month or so. And 350ug for me now, is more powerfull than 600 to 800ug used to be, back then.

 

[woodyfence]

Smoking weed potentiates all effects of acid. Confusion, euphoria, and visuals are all potentiated. Ego death becomes more likely if you're constantly smoking throughout the comeup. It's like at drop time plus 1.5 hours, being born right then with no previous memory of anything before that. Pretty interesting to experience.

 

[phuckingnutz]

Well Woody MAY be taking 1mg a week and maybe not. Either way he has some serious tolerance issues whether he knows it or not and from what you say you will have zero tolerance so, IMO, It's apples and oranges.
The fact that you have no sitter and you are in a "restrictive environment" means that if something should happen during the trip you have nobody to come to your aid or to pick you up at the hospital or bond you out of jail.
You obviously think you can handle it, but you are very inexperienced with psychedelics if you are able to "count the times" you've tripped.
The simple fact that you are sure nothing will go wrong tells me you aren't ready.
Get a quarter or half sheet of the acid you plan to take and, as someone said, increase your doses up towards the 1mg mark over a period of months. Then when you are down to the last 1mg of the acid you've been "practicing" with, decide at that time if you can handle it.
I have taken acid ??? times and have only gone up to the 500+mcg range a time or two and that was just going off the vendors potency claims so it was, more than likely, less than I thought even though I generally take around 20% off advertised strength when calculating dose and it was good, but I had a support system to keep and eye out on me even though I was tripping alone...someone to check on me periodically.

I am very curious about this experiment. Keep us posted.

 

[woodyfence]

Try taking 500 mcg first. Then try 750. Then try 1 mg. Don't jump up so fast like I did; I went from 4 weak blotters (200 mcg maybe) to 15 (750 mcg maybe), and the ego death was very frightening for me as I never knew it could happen. I saw Komouri Dragon from Yugioh in my friend's ceiling. My friend asked me who I was, who he was, where I was, etc, and my answer each time was "I don't know." The strange part is I remember those moments of ego death and insanity but can't explain them. Be careful. Definitely work your way up somehow.

 

[LazyTheGreat]

Less is more and more is less. Just adding my two cents

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

1 blotter from my chemist he says is 125-150 mcg and I get good visuals from just 1 blotter. I've had weak blotters and gels before, and I was frustrated by this and had my first ego death when I took 15 tabs of weak blotter that I think was about 50 mcg.

If your "chemist" (dealer) was your own dad I wouldn't trust what he says about the dosage of LSD blotters. I've seen the exact same sheets of acid go from dealer to dealer and legend of how strong they are gets exaggerated and exaggerated just because it's pretty decent acid and the power of suggestion when it comes to acid is extrordinary.

 

[mountainrange]

I notice a lot of people mentioning the negatives of taking such a high dose yet no-one has really mentioned any positives.
I'd like to know what experiences people have had at such high doses I can't imagine taking 1,000ug is rare.

I'm not convinced that I should take such a high dose but at the moment of posting I was quite keen to try such a dose out. Surely if you just lie down and listen to some music or bring with you things that change your thoughts would work? Can anyone elaborate?
And having a trip sitter is not an option. I don't know anyone who can help me throughout the experience as explained above. I know this makes it difficult but there isn't anything I can do about it. I simply don't have that network around me although I have been seeking like minded individuals to trip with I've just ended up finding lost souls that have tried but haven't quite reached 'that' point in life whereby they've found a comfortable spot they can accept themselves in so we've clashed and ended up going our separate ways. For some reason I seem to attract broken people, most likely because I've been broken many times in my life. If I could trip with someone, I would so it's not a case of me being ignorant to the risks involved, it's just a case of me literally not being able to have that option available to me.

 

[Bigazznugz]

Wow I get vascular constriction in my fingertips pretty bad on psychs. 250 ugs of ald-52 and my hands feel numb at times. II personally would be worried about the vascolular constriction. Never had a problem with it until I tried nbomes. :-(

 

[nuube]

Such a high dose shouldn't be taken alone in the wilderness. Go with a sitter you trust or take the dosage you are used to. Over 500 ug, for most people, it's a transpersonnal/mystical experience that is often difficult to remember, LSD can cause amnesia.

I think you may be underestimating LSD a little here. If 360ug is the most you've ever done, there is no way that you can have a clear picture of how you would respond to such a dose. 1000ug realy is extreme for someone who doesn't have a high tolerance for acid. I'll bet that if you take just a little over 360, say 400, you will be satisfied already.

I would not jump right in at over 1 mg. I agree with dracarys that you might be underestimating how strong L can get. not fun strong.

I would try 500 to 600 mics first and see how that goes. Tripping 3 times at medium doses isn't a ton of experience with acid.

The fact that you act like you aren't going to have a bad trip or have anything else go wrong is a little concerning. It's always possible.

I agree with people who say you might be underestimating LSD.
There could be no return.

It would take a HELL of a lot more than taking a substance 3 to be experienced enough to understand the difference in the doses you have had and the dose you intend to have, (taking into account IF you get the correct dose and the blotters haven't degraded in any way). I've had countless trips over this past 20 years, (LSA, LSD,LSZ, AL-LAD, ETH-LAD, 1P-LSD, 25C & 25I NBome, DMT, 4-HO-MET and the ever popular Mushrooms) and there is no way I would think of doubling an already strong dose - that is one big step you can't take back!

Try taking 500 mcg first. Then try 750. Then try 1 mg. Don't jump up so fast like I did; I went from 4 weak blotters (200 mcg maybe) to 15 (750 mcg maybe), and the ego death was very frightening for me as I never knew it could happen.

Here is someone who takes lots of acid admitting things can happen that you never expect.

Less is more and more is less. Just adding my two cents

Wow I get vascular constriction in my fingertips pretty bad on psychs. 250 ugs of ald-52 and my hands feel numb at times.

This is the great thing about this site - if you ask for advice knowledgeable and experienced people give it. ALL here, people with decades of experience over numerous psychedelic experiences, have advised against the whole thing - you may be happy with your mind set for the trip but there is absolutely no way you can be certain of your environment;depending where in Europe you are you could encounter anything from a Mediterranean Black Widow to a Bear! As to the drug - LSD, as with any psychedelic, can be unpredictable, you have NO WAY to guarantee how you will react,(the fact that you think you do does not bode well for you) which brings me back to your mind set which is not from what you say a good mindset for an intense psychedelic experience. SO out of the 3 important things for a safe trip, (Drug, Set and Setting) all three are missing with yours.

In saying that I would like to have the balls to try an experience like that. I've never strayed beyond 300ish mcg of a lysergamide, (although at around 100mg 4-HO-MET was far out there!!),but like Bigazznugs the vasoconstriction is off putting. I would be interested in what you find at that dose, but if you value your physical, mental and emotional well being at all you'll titrate up with a safer setting and a deeper understanding of what you are taking.

I fully appreciate you not having a sitter. I've only had a sitter once, (early trips were in nightclubs and with mates in the park for the giggles, nowadays I prefer to trip alone and get all metaphysical ), for my first DMT trip and I found it very off putting. However if you are tripping outside off the beaten track where anything can happen I would think having another there just in case would be vital. Can I ask why you don't trip where you live? If it gets all balls to the wall and things start spiralling out of control familiar surroundings can be reassuring and ease you back down - if you start feeling unsafe in an unsafe place things can get very scary. Might be of benefit to have a benzo handy in case you do need to take the edge off it.

Stay safe and keep us updated please.