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Yeah it seems that Diclofenac sodium, birth control (Endocrine disruptors), Bisphenol-a (estrogen imitator) and triclosan are some nasty accumulators among a myriad of others and that last sentence of weighing the benefit of ORT against cancer risk for others sounded fairly ominous. I guess we'll see where this goes.

Glad your still tight with the new Lady friend. I'm always up for more Muskrat -Old Dog sessions when you record next.
 
I've never played a hollow body guitar before, I will have to try one out next time I'm at the shop. Your Gretsch guitar is lovely looking! Dig the two hum buckers and it has a stylish looking bridge. So my two guitars are a fender fat strat in sunset metallic (with a humbucker bridge pickup), and an ash bodied telecaster with a butterscotch/blonde finish. They are both beautiful and can make so many tones, I don't think I would need a third guitar other than my acoustic. The telecaster is certainly bare bones awesomeness, I use my fat strat for more hardcore type music. Love the nice twang to a telly as well... they are my younger brothers favourite guitars, but I am caught between two guitar loves... they are both so awesome in their own ways, I have standard gauge strings on my telly and heavy ones on my strat (too bad I can never have a threesome with them... could go for one of those sometime).
 
you were employed to do those papers, or do you mean people paid you to write essays for them? :)


what sort of guitar playing are you into?
do you have any predominant style or major influences in how you approach playing?
 
You mean I'm on the pill?! Taken birth control in the water supply... where do the priorities of modern day society lay. I am pretty sure that can mess with my gonads.
 
Oh it's not just the ton of metabolites and conjugated drug that get pissed into the water cycle everyday from birth control but crap like Bisphenol-A that cheap plastics have been made with that can not only reverse the sex and cause hermaphrodism and development problems in animals but undetermined effects in people with long term exposure. BPA literally mimics estrogen and the shits everywhere. Ever microwave anything in cheap plastic? Ever handle a receipt made of thermal paper (like from walmart or 7-11)? BPA is the scary bastard.
 
you were employed to do those papers, or do you mean people paid you to write essays for them? :)


what sort of guitar playing are you into?
do you have any predominant style or major influences in how you approach playing?

I was employed tutoring at the time and introduced by my boss, but I cut him out as he was taking a cut and started doing direct deals with the students. It was great work for me looking back, I felt like I was back in university and the diverse range of topics I got/chose to study made for interesting and dynamic work. I made all the money from the last minute students, who wanted something major done by the very next day. You can charge a lot to someone like that, and I always got paid up front too due to my reputation. The heat was all on the students too. I was writing engineering research papers and making presentations with cue cards for 4 people in the same small 3rd year class.

I play my only thing, I am always improvising and still developing my style. It has funk influences, post-hardcore / metalcore influences, a little bit of psychedelia thrown in, emo influences, even a little rap/hip-hop influence and ends up being quite rhythmic, crunchy, anything from melodic to chaotic, and a little spacey (I like my phase 45 and my really awesome, but bare bones analog delay.. I approach my playing, by picking up my guitar and just messing around on it. I always record my practice too, and soon I will be taking bits and pieces of stuff that I like to make songs. I've been writing a lot of lyrics too. Biggest influence would be the creative spirit of the universe manifested as a flowering seed from within. It's just me, how I'm feeling. An emotional outlet. If I am angry or anxious I will play fast-paced more hardcore type stuff, if I'm sad I'll play down tempo chord progressions and stuff like that.

How about you? I wonder if a hollow bodied guitar could be used in any genre? I am not sure how that affects the tone... I'm assuming more resonance and like greater presence of higher frequencies or overtones I'm guessing? I know a little self taught musical theory... essentially the circle of fifths so I know what key I'm playing in, all the notes on the fretboard, and also the chords in each key and different ways I like to play them. This helps me with the creative process too, but it is subconscious in the back of my mind when I'm playing or I wouldn't be able to improvise on the spot.

How about you? I really like Hillel Slovak's playing, and Lil Peep has been influencing me lately a lot in subtle respects as he's all I really listen to now. I knew BPA was on receipts... is the exposure from that really significant?
 
Thermal printed receipts found to contain bisphenol: A potential carcinogen~BPA has been implicated to be associated with a wide variety of probable adverse effects including abnormal reproductive system development, diminished intellectual capacity, behavioral abnormalities, reproductive system cancer, obesity, diabetes, early puberty, resistance to chemotherapy, asthma and cardiovascular system disorders [6]. BPA alters the way genes switch off and on and causes genetic changes that can be passed on to the next generations [3]. There have been a number of animal studies which have outlined the carcinogenic effects of BPA. Fetal BPA exposure triggers changes in the postnatal and adult mammary gland epigenome and alters gene expression patterns. These events may contribute to the development of pre-neoplastic and neoplastic lesions that manifest during adulthood [7]. BPA has been found to promote the growth of ovarian cancer [8], and breast cancer cell lines [9]. A recent study on human prostate stem-progenitor cells concluded that developmental exposure to BPA at low doses increases hormone-dependent cancer risk in the human prostate epithelium [10]. The list does not end here and includes testicular cancer [11], hepatic tumors [12], osteosarcoma [13] and endometrial carcinoma [14].
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1110036214000624

At least Canada finally banned the stuff along with the EU, The US has only banned it for infant bottles but we're a little slow sometimes, or even moving backwards like with the Paris Accord.
 
I was employed tutoring at the time and introduced by my boss, but I cut him out as he was taking a cut and started doing direct deals with the students. It was great work for me looking back, I felt like I was back in university and the diverse range of topics I got/chose to study made for interesting and dynamic work. I made all the money from the last minute students, who wanted something major done by the very next day. You can charge a lot to someone like that, and I always got paid up front too due to my reputation. The heat was all on the students too. I was writing engineering research papers and making presentations with cue cards for 4 people in the same small 3rd year class.

yeah cool. sounds kind of intense. i was looking into doing similar sort of tutoring (in ESL or english literature - those being my two main qualifications) before i got the writing job i've been doing recently.

I play my only thing, I am always improvising and still developing my style. It has funk influences, post-hardcore / metalcore influences, a little bit of psychedelia thrown in, emo influences, even a little rap/hip-hop influence and ends up being quite rhythmic, crunchy, anything from melodic to chaotic, and a little spacey (I like my phase 45 and my really awesome, but bare bones analog delay.. I approach my playing, by picking up my guitar and just messing around on it. I always record my practice too, and soon I will be taking bits and pieces of stuff that I like to make songs. I've been writing a lot of lyrics too. Biggest influence would be the creative spirit of the universe manifested as a flowering seed from within. It's just me, how I'm feeling. An emotional outlet. If I am angry or anxious I will play fast-paced more hardcore type stuff, if I'm sad I'll play down tempo chord progressions and stuff like that.

nice :)

that's the way to do it man; straight from the heart.

How about you? I wonder if a hollow bodied guitar could be used in any genre? I am not sure how that affects the tone... I'm assuming more resonance and like greater presence of higher frequencies or overtones I'm guessing? I know a little self taught musical theory... essentially the circle of fifths so I know what key I'm playing in, all the notes on the fretboard, and also the chords in each key and different ways I like to play them. This helps me with the creative process too, but it is subconscious in the back of my mind when I'm playing or I wouldn't be able to improvise on the spot.

yeah, the gretsch has the best tone of any guitar i've ever played. hands down.

i can actually pick a gretsch on records, because of the tone - or i'll say "wow. that guitar sounds incredible!" - and very often it is a gretsch.

lots of 60s beat groups used them - think the animals or the troggs, if you know those bands - or george harrison's guitar and the first few beatles records.
really warm tone, heaps of mid-range and a truly chunky rhythm guitar chords sound.

but it also has a delightful twangy top end, if i use the bridge pickup.

How about you? I really like Hillel Slovak's playing, and Lil Peep has been influencing me lately a lot in subtle respects as he's all I really listen to now. I knew BPA was on receipts... is the exposure from that really significagrnt?

i play some really experimental sort of guitar styles, at times - but i don't use any effects. just a really overdriven valve amp, a bit of spring reverb on occasion - and a lot of contolled feedback. very controlled, and melodic.
hollow bnodied guitars are perfect for that.

but generally my guitar playing is fairly melodic sort of rock n roll. i listen to a lot of 50s and 60s garage and rockabilly, but the bands i've been playing in are mostly what you'd loosely describe as post-punk, i guess.

i fool around a lot with analogue synths too, so it's a heady brew :)

but yeah, i play everything from electro pop to blues to sonic noise experimentation...usually in the same set. :)
 
Yeah ovo I won't call you out because you already did, but it was a great option. If the ball wasn't dropped on my care discharging me on a Sunday in a city with an event creating such a crowd I would've been laughed out a hospital going there saying I just left detox and was in pain afraid I was going to use so I used poppy seed tea that night....

Of course that was self medicating, but I knew it was not like I'd get anything the next day. I've been keeping my use down and avoiding IV or heroin yet it is hard on my situation. I'd rather not even go into further details because really fuck you. I will say the phenobarbital detox was a godsend to get through the withdrawals and reduce my usage from my estimates 50 mg+ iv a day if the dope was 10% pure to 20 mg that of course when I couldn't sustain a half lb a day of pst due to the quality drop I ended up going in between dope and methadone...

Now if only the doctors prescribed the meds I needed when I got out I'd probably be back at my job and just smoking weed and micro dosing ald or 4-aco. I don't got no fucking money though and missed the btc mining period that could've been worth millions more.

All in the meanwhile my primary care behavioral health specialist and now 3 drs acknowledge my health care has never been care and all the false claims in my past from shit doctors the records that follow I literally get shit even for trying to get tylonal prescribed as I don't have the money and have 0$ co-pays. I'm talking plain 350 mg tylonal I get shit for wanting to follow the FDA advice of no more than 350 mg a dose.

So I digress on why after the very successful detox that left me not dependent as it should have that only led back to use due to pain. I wish I was mentally stable enough to get through nights without sleep and extreme pain, but that's not something I can do. So fuck you for your constant ripping on me for not being able to stop using one of the hardest substances to get off with very little support for someone with my developmental issues. I can't just take anti depressants and bitch out my problems because it doesn't fix anything nor give me the ability to deal with it in fact hindering me more especially when I notice the fact and end up not only feeling suicidal, but having my inhibitions to not do that becoming dulled by those drugs leaving more impulsive only makes an attempt more likely. Seriously fuck you.


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Ch you know your shit.

As you can tell shroomy you're making a good choice. I've tried so many times doing my best each time, but living alone with chronic pain on top of other issues including PTSD level trauma makes it impossible. I wish I could just smoke weed or trip every weekend like I used to, but I can't function in society like that... I mean I can, but it is just something I'd rather keep out of the work place.

Even while I was working my job shooting up dope in the bathroom 2-3x a day by the end of it I wouldn't nod at work more than droopy eyes called out once and played off as tired with everyone there knowing I was shooting dope yet acknowledging I was still one of the best workers there. I get pain relief with opiods that I can not find with other substances without heavy side effects on my cognitive abilities. I hate iv though, but the immediate relief is definitely the reason I preferred it as well as using a lower dose for the same level as relief as twice the dose any other roa at least. Just imagine not being able to get into a vein knowing you'll withdraw if you don't poking yourself 5-10 times before registering. Yeah it was not pretty, but I was functional in a way I've only been on opiates.

This bullshit epidemic will be the end of me. I have about enough to get to the end of the month, but have to stay on methadone, which after 5 days of not using it going through excessive amount on my stash as it has raised my tolerance the clinic is pretty much refusing to drop my dose, which might have been cause the computers were out, but I will have to tell them they need to drop it as I can't stay on this dose without it making my dependency worse than it needs to be. I'm trying to get down to 2.5 mg hc 4 times a day if I can then I will have a constant supply I can buy month to month...

My goal is actual treatment and exercise to readjust and strengthen the hurt areas, but until my pain is acknowledged for real and not just labeled drug seeking behavior I fear this neglect will just continue and it sucks. I just want this fucking cycle to end... I have more important problems that are long overdue being dealt with. Things that haunt me at this point. That doesn't matter to the healthcare system though all that matters is whether or not they are prescribing me something in their mind, which I'm accused of when I just want stability in my life and my pain to be reduced so I can work towards that. Instead I work on just getting out of bed every day. I've really lost any motivation to do anything until this is dealt with and I can return to work and generate some income. I'm tired of being abandoned on a social support system that cares more about keeping one on it rather than helping one gain Independence. Just tired of it....
 
Tacodude, sounds like you want to treat your chronic pain more than you want to quit using heroin. In this case, why are you not getting 100% pure china white for essentially pennies?

I was also very functional (I was an engineer). I could never hold a job forever as there would always come a time when I would be sick, then I was worse than bedridden, but I could hold these types of jobs for around 6 months to a year while I was using. Until it caught up with me at the end, rand myself broke and had to quit as I was spending my life pretty much bedridden.

For several years I was completely functional though, nobody really ever knew. My two past girlfriends knew, and I eventually told my younger brother, who didn't tell anyone even when my life was at risk. I was never after the nod, I started using the drug specifically for pain relief and then got addicted to it. I couldn't get shit but a handful of percs from the doctors, and that was after a 2 year wait in excruciating pain. I had snapped by the end of that, had already done heroin, opium, hydromorphone, and oxycodone by the time I even had my first MRI. I had also started getting daily panic attacks from the stress of being in pain all the time.

I don't know man it's weird like I don't feel the pain as bad now. I swear it would never go away but it's not bothering me the same. I'm also not working a corporate job anymore, though, and my life is generally pretty stress free right now. I feel like the more I keep myself active and my mind off the pain, the better it becomes. Mine is definitely psychosomatic, a lot of it. Like a real bad injury I think I healed from but took so long the acute pain turned chronic simply from the nerves firing for so long they would stfu. Or something like that... I have damage too, but a lot of people have worse damage and no chronic pain, others have no visible damage and excruciating chronic pain. It's complex like that... and makes it tough for doctors to prescribe a med people try and hustle. This is why I tried dope, but it isn't why I got hooked on it. Fuckin loved the high, fit me like a glove in more ways than making me forget I ever even hurt my back. As a heroin user I was 200 pounds and very muscular. I would practice yoga 2 or 3 hours a day, and my guitar for 4 while working. That's a lot for me now.

Eventually my tolerance got so high I couldn't deal with it anymore, shot up 5 times and sort of re-evaluated what I was doing with my life. If I wanted to end up covered in tracks in a couple years if I was lucky enough not to get too heavy of a hit. I can't function without benzos, I would really prefer not to use them but I would otherwise be in a chronic state of panic and fear. I was this way for around a year or longer before I got on them during yet another panic-related visit to the ER. Was cutting my arms and shit. I am not getting off those anytime soon... no way. The lifestyle of my H use and how things ended traumatized me enough for now, that I can taper to a lower dose of those at least in the future.

It's only an epidemic because they don't give out the pure (the cure). I was always pissed about that... I've had really good china white before once in my life. Pretty much so amazing that it ruined all other dope for me forever, even made slabs of afghan #4 chipped off a key seem relatively not-as-good-shit. Why is a drug with such a risk of overdose resulting in death sold in an unregulated black market with no quality control exactly? It's bad enough they fuck with the herb like that.

Yeah man I wish I could just be a stoner and tripper like that... I still have the benzos to deal with, so I guess technically I'm not clean, but doing much better. Used to take massive doses of benzos in withdrawal just to try and knock myself out before I could get high again... when I knew I'd have money or a reup or whatever. I couldn't feel the benzos in withdrawal... I could take like 20mg alprazolam at once and hardly feel the tension relieve itself, never sleep either. Then once I got high I'd realize that I was wrecked on those benzos... dicey behaviour. I don't take abusive benzo doses like that anymore, I'm not trying to escape from anything.

My back is somehow improving over time, I can't explain it but I think it has to do with positivity and attractive constructive things into my life. Keeping myself busy and if I ever feel that pain flare up I'll either lay down on my heating pad or push myself through it. None of my previous bosses even new what chronic pain was, and I look like a healthy, youthful man. So when I tell them I simply can't help them lift something, it's like wtf. Or, if I am in too much pain at work to function, it's not like it is acceptable for me to lay down on a heating pad for 30 minutes. So I am still trying to find the right job for me. I love what I am doing now but I need more money. The money I was making as an H user, but without spending every last cent on heroin.


Spacejunk, a friend from here gave me the idea to write a book the other day. I never knew what I would write about before but many people have suggested that I look into this. I have the idea now, so that is pretty neat to me. I will have to try playing a Gretsch sometime. Your style sounds crazy diverse! I use an overdriven valve amp as well, and I play in a small unfinished cement area that has really nice acoustics. I have 2 dials on my amp, like to control everything with analog pedals. I would like a keyboard too, one with a lot of keys, that can make trippy psychedelic sounds with different pedals (like maybe a Moog phaser, or something like that)... that is the idea I have for the 3rd member of the band I would like to form. Just someone with a solid piano background who would have fun messing around with new sounds, and maybe some beats and stuff too. Yeah though once I started playing from the heart things got a lot more fun, I randomly became a lot more creative at one point in my life. Since I quit using H, I have been more creative than ever before in my life. Not just with guitar but photography, journal writing, my appearance (tattoos, new piercings, dyed and oddly styled hair), my work that involves teaching... and somehow I have attracted this foxy lady into my life. Taking things slower with her than anyone before, but there has been attraction building up for like a month and I have very strong feelings for her. I don't think I had a sex drive when I was using heroin... it didn't really matter to me at the time, because I had no desire for anything like that.
 
You got the hookup? Obviously you know how hard it is. I don't live in a good environment and always struggled with being on my feet with pain being the biggest issue. I know what you mean the pain isn't the same off them, but the pain on them is more manageable while off them I start getting pain spikes 6+ every step in my right lower leg and glute joint. Plus I developed tightness and tension I can not push through. I barely can with the opiates.

I always knew I was weak and out of shape, but the level I deal with now is ridiculous and I wish I could just blame on myself and overcome with the love of those around me, but again Asperger's is a bitch. I would not know empathy without ever having used psychedelics and mdma to say the least.

Still it's hard for me as I have no real outlet for frustration, talk therapy does not help as it just leaves me ruminating on my problems after forcing me to get out of bed, and the lack of support is an everlasting source of frustration of course. Today is also a pretty fucked up morning for my city.... Real tragic loss. The first day of Chanukah too.... Literally like first thing that happens. FML
 
Not anymore, or I'd probably still be on the stuff. That was years ago before this fentanyl craze hit as well (if it ever did...). Yeah, it's a total catch 22. I can fuck myself up with heroin, but I will be pain free and function. I will be content. Or I can face the extreme stress of life, pain, and be rewarded with having more of a fiery, emotional spirit and more creative energy to work with. My pain is sharp and at a very specific spot of my mid spine... it is there almost all the time, but gets really bad if I am up on my feet for a while and then go to sit down, lay down. Can be so bad at times I will pass out from it.

I am really lucky to have made some new friends through my new job since I quit. I just started being way more social with everyone. I am def on some spectrum dude I used to be so antisocial I would block out the world around me and not even be paying attention to my surroundings to the point that if someone talked to me I'd be like ummmmm... what. Internally I'd be super smart though and studying physics or whatever. This passed with time, I grew out of it somehow. I am proud of that. My friends boyfriend said, dude is so chill, you don't realize you JUST met the guy. It's so true haha. I was never like that before, not sure what changed. I am definitely borderline I've had every symptom of bpd, with an obvious underlying reason for it, and have a severe panic disorder though... who knows what else haha. Life is fucked when you are fucked up, it is hard enough with good health.

I used to be an athlete, that is how I injured myself but it wasn't just that. There was a lot of psychological stuff going on that manifested in harmful ways I was treating my body... I dunno, somehow ended up with chronic pain. Can't go swimming, or jogging, the gym like anything like that is completely out of the question for me. I can do yoga, and ride my bike a bit.

Yeah dude if you have a disorder that makes it harder to communicate and make friends then you will feel especially stuck on H. My friend agrees that she doesn't think I need therapy... just really supportive friends and I agree with her. I never had them before, just hung out with a motley of lost spirits. I do have a few amazing friends now though and one in particular is always there to listen to whatever is on my mind. She is sketching my next tattoo, and is really artistic. Important to have good friends man. I don't know how I made it this far as I was so far gone? I don't even know... I think one day I just woke up and snapped out of it, realized I was throwing my life away and had to change. Regardless of what that means, it is better to me than who I used to be. My back is killing me at the moment fuck.

Ah that sucks about your city man. Sounds like working hard on a creative outlet would do you well.
 
Opiates can actually make your pain WORSE over time.
As did the gabapentin for me. It's an actual Thing.... not called rebound pain but something like that.
 
Spacejunk, am I allowed to ask what band (s) you’ve toured with?

I’m a wanna-be musician myself, pretending to play the bass lol.

I’ve done plenty of gigs, including several traveling gigs, but never got to tour. I always wanted to, but I don’t see that happening now. I think that time has passed. I’m too old for that shit. Hell I can barely make it to the end of a bar gig when we close the place down until last call (2 AM in Texas).
 
Opiates can actually make your pain WORSE over time.
As did the gabapentin for me. It's an actual Thing.... not called rebound pain but something like that.
Yup hyperanalgesia is hell. That being said my pain is still worse off.
 
Spacejunk, am I allowed to ask what band (s) you’ve toured with?

I’m a wanna-be musician myself, pretending to play the bass lol.

I’ve done plenty of gigs, including several traveling gigs, but never got to tour. I always wanted to, but I don’t see that happening now. I think that time has passed. I’m too old for that shit. Hell I can barely make it to the end of a bar gig when we close the place down until last call (2 AM in Texas).

Nothing big name you would've heard of, i'm afraid - just some australian post punk sorts of stuff mainly.
I haven't toured too extensively, but definitely want to get to europe and the states sooner or later.
Some friends of mine who are in some legendary australian groups do really well in places like spain, greece, croatia.
It's interesting - there are australian bands that are more popular there than they are here, and something in the way we play rock'n'roll just translates well i guess.
 
I just had my first electric guitar jam with my younger brother of 10 years. It was a beautiful experience... our styles are so different, but they meshed to create something beautiful. Clearly, we have good musical chemistry being very close brothers and all. Was one of the most amazing experiences of my life... our brotherhood is on a whole new level of awesome now that we can make music like that.

He's like you made that rhythmic stuff up really? While I was doing little rifts and funky stuff in a minor key.

I'm like, you're soloing that sick off my groove? Was beyond words, really. He balanced out my anxiety and anger fuelled hardcore chaotic type stuff with his super chill groove and we created something still chaotic, but totally balanced and amazing.

We made really beautiful music together : )
 
Very cool shroomy did you get a video of the session?

If not that's a good excuse to get together again soon. Post it up on YouTube channel.

I'm so sad.
Family dynamics.
I made a post n deleted because I felt it was too personal (*and I'm not trying very hard to be anonymous w my own pic as an avatar . I don't wanna humiliate anyone or "air our dirty laundry ")

Let's just say my heart got ripped out tonight by a family member. Things CANNOT ever be ok there, again. And if my (dead now) parents knew this happened, IT would kill them.

I need to cry n haven't.
I need to cry n can't
I'm Stunned.
 
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