Misc The Pain Management Mega Thread v. 7

[ShroomySatori]

Yeah so I was abusing everything and now I am on 40mg of percocet and that crappy tamper proof stuff combo a day. The withdrawals are ongoing for 2 months and extreme. I guess that's what happens when you get really high for 3 years on heroin, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and opium. It has been driving me insane the depression is so bad I think I spent the past 24 hours crying almost non stop. It was insane. Body feels sick. They dont' really follow through with the opioid therapy just leave me at the same dose which eventually becomes normality and impossible to come off. I have been fighting this shit for months now it's just insane to have your life on hold for that long.
When is this bullshit from dropping to 40mg going to end. I know the answer to that question because I already did 120 to 60 which was probably just as bad. This is agony though. And then my spine will start hurting like hell after the symptoms subside because I'm not sleeping or taking care of myself at all. A 20mg dose of oxycodone every 12 hours is just miserable for someone like me who was using all those drugs for so long.

 

[SS373dOH]

What dose are you dropping from? 60mg? If so, did your buddy fully adjust to that dose before reducing to 40mg?

 

[ShroomySatori]

Absolutely not, I didn't have enough pills. I wanted to stay at 60 so much longer but it was for only a few days. It's been rough, I have been in tears unable to get off my couch for 3 whole days now. Just crying over nothing I literally want to die. But I will get through this bullshit, or I won't and I'll get more drugs. Either way, this state of hopelessness and despair is not permanent.
I was dropping from 120mg+ oral oxy daily almost all of it IR and unprescribed (taking like 3 or 4 times what I was prescribed) but honestly with all the heroin I was sniffing it was hard to keep track, that's where the plus comes from, I'd just do a bump of dope whenever I felt pain. Hopefully I can get through this, right now it's not by choice like it was in the beginning. I'm just low on pills and I get more in a few days so we'll see how it goes. I'm definitely going to take 120mg right away because I can't even sleep with the benzos and a second relaxing gaba drug right now. The symptoms are unbearable and I have known such lows before, but not manifested in this particularly cruel way, and not in a long time since I had mainly been high 24/7 for 3 years. It is hard to handle and it's been going on for around 2 whole months now with no functionality whatsoever. I did start to stabilize at 60mg after 2 weeks - so I know about the light at the end of the tunnel. I just wish I could have stayed at that meager fucking dose for longer.

 

[Fuzzing]

Hey I both need some advice and need a better group of people who can understand the anger and frustration of being in a great deal of pain. My support system at home is not bad they just dont understand how it feels to feel like to be in so much pain and then even have the chance of having a kid ripped out of you. I am 26, a female (obviously), ended up having a hysterectomy in April because and I quote it will help the pain and it didn't work at all. In all actuality it made the abdominal pain worse. I have severe degenerative disk disease as well and i don't know what to do or how to think. I see and have been looking at the pm forum for a while and you all care about eachother. All of your stories are heart breaking and i wish there was a magic fuck it all pill they could give every one of us who suffers from excruciating pain constantly and not just manage it but make it go away and us still be functional. All the meds that help long term make me goofy and i want to think clearly but not feel so terrible. All the people here need a hug. I wish i could give you each one. Instead why don't we all find one good thing in the world today and concentrate on that for a few minutes. Every smile is important. Every person you cross paths with, you do for a reason. Just realize that amd the small things are usually the hardest. Thanks for letting me share my story.

 

[Fuzzing]

Shroomy, you can make it through. Smile and know that people got yah.

 

[Runtoparadise]

Shroomy mate, sooooo sorry you are tapering so quickly!! Not dicksizing, (cos I don't have one), but my PM dropped me from 200mg prescribed oxy, (so around 400mg most days), to zero.

Over two days. I was fucking pissed at him, still haven't paid his account!
Know ur mates with Mike, PM me & I'll give u my email & let you know how I've handled wd & pain control.

Rtp

 

[Runtoparadise]

Welcome Fuzzing!!

Great to hear some positivity although I'm so sorry to hear you've had a hysterectomy at such an age.

So, you have stomach pain as well as DDD unfortunately? This is the thread to vent your frustration at chronic pain, drs, meds, your thoughts,- anything really...

Glad you have a supportive family even if they can't fully understand, I guess that's what brought me to BL (after reading online all I could to make my meds work more efficiently, or tamper with them for optimum pain relief), no one truly can empathise unless they're also struggling.

I like your idea of finding something good in each day,- I have a 'Grateful' diary that I write everything I'm grateful for in. When times get tough & all I can do is breathe to get through it, I'm grateful for the ability to control my breathing. We all can find something ?

Rtp

 

[Fuzzing]

Rtp,
You Dr has officially reached the jackass factor that is no meds. Mine did this twice. Where ever you are in the us realize that pm dr is a dime a dozen find a new goddamned dr before your oain becomes emergent as it kills people. Thats not a joke its real. At least try to get ahold of some strong mrs and benos to come down on. And keep realizing that wds last less than one week generally.

 

[Runtoparadise]

Thanks Fuzzing,

I'm actually over in OZ. Used to going CT also unfortunately as my meds over the last near decade have lasted me shorter & shorter despite being increased, well, until a few yrs ago when my PM was not happy to raise the dose over 200mg oxy daily. Diminishing returns my friends!

I lasted around ten days before realising I actually don't know how to live & have any function with full throttle pain & probably the beginning of Paws settling in. That's a one-two punch I never expected. Although I fully expected something had to be done in respect to stopping or halting my opiate useage! That's why I sought help after all..

Jackass is too nice a term for what my PM of many years did though. Even my GP was later affronted & said that opioid reduction was a very slow process. Ideally dropping around 10-20% monthly. Over two days is cruel. No shit!

Rtp

 

[Fuzzing]

Sorry as hell for you. I finally found total relief this weekend from a friend of mine. Shes on hospice at 26 and even her iv narcs dont work in comparison to what she showed me. Low dose kratom with kava tea calms the pain to a 2 to 3 out of 10 for about 12 hours and its amazing. Even with her pain she only doses every four hours. And hey she found a guy in a bar last night that doesnt even know shes sick and took him home with her. God im so glad shes happy and i have relief.

 

[ShroomySatori]

Shroomy, you can make it through. Smile and know that people got yah.

Shroomy mate, sooooo sorry you are tapering so quickly!! Not dicksizing, (cos I don't have one), but my PM dropped me from 200mg prescribed oxy, (so around 400mg most days), to zero.

Over two days. I was fucking pissed at him, still haven't paid his account!
Know ur mates with Mike, PM me & I'll give u my email & let you know how I've handled wd & pain control.

Rtp

I just noticed this now. Thanks, I think finding humour is important to get through it. It is a huge fight. I'm finding people to help me through. I just wish I wasn't feeling so strung out 2 months in. Or has it been longer now? I don't even know anymore. I feel like it's endless. I regret a lot of what I have done these past few years to deal with my back pain.

I need to start taking better care of my body, as I have become skin and bones in withdrawal. I am going for a slight dose increase so that I can practice yoga and get three healthy meals a day. I'll probably recover more quickly if I'm actually doing stuff instead of flipping around like a fish out of water.

And RTP, I just noticed your posts here and sent you my email addy. I'm good friends with Mike. Thanks for the support as well, I normally don't post in this thread any more (but the ones in the dark side section)... or just email with friends.

 

[Runtoparadise]

^Shroomy, just pm'd u to find out I'd reached my stored msg quota.

Damn hate that, I'll be in touch soon. Thinking of you.

Rtp

 

[ShroomySatori]

: ) thanks for being nice and supportive. I really need it right now, probably more than ever before for a few reasons. I've been setting up my own mutually beneficial online support system for some time now. It's turning out to be a really great way to deal with the drastic negative emotions that I often experience from pain.

Thanks for your message, made me smile this morning. Anything helps when you've been strung out going on the third month. I feel like I stayed in the game for far too long, if I got out after a year or so it would have been so damn easy in comparison. I can't blame myself for using something like this when I remember how extreme my pain was when I got on them, and still is. I just find that the addiction aspect can make me really down on myself and depressed. I don't like being a slave to pills and big pharma. I really wish they were trying concomitant treatments like cortisone shots, or physiotherapy... but like my pain management clinic is all about quick appointments and painkiller scripts.

Shroomy

 

[Wassup024]

I don't have much pain only 18 but it's painful to watch my dad who's 49 and struggles with Ms it hurts to know he can't do what he used to be able to he loves playing guitar and the ms is now starting to affect his playing and he crys and so do I it hurts to watch. I don't suffer from physical pain I suffer emotional pain watching my dad slowly become fully disabled he doesn't deserve this and I would do anything to make him be to ride a bike and play like before it's terrible and I hope he can stay strong and not get any worse than he already is

 

[opiatekrzy]

Quick question guys: do you feel like being referred to pain management is a DISS coming from your primary doctor. Reason I ask is because my primary will give me whatever I need for my leg pain and metal rods, ha claimed he didn't want me to go through the hassle and bullshit with a pain management doctor.

It seems that the only time I get referred to a specialist is when I break cardinal rules, like failing a drug test while prescribed ccontrolled drugs, or if I get too fucking annoying or pushy asking for certain meds for my diagnosis or whatever. ALL MY INTENTIONS are good and I am NOT trying to scam any doctor, I just wanna have a right to be what I WANT TO BE IN . At a reasonable degree of course!

Any opinions?

 

[Runtoparadise]

Wassup, sorry you & your Dad are hurting,- albeit in different ways. Is he a sole parent? Just that you didn't mention mum...

It's such a headfuck when you can't help someone you love & can only stand by as they lose the ability to enjoy their hobbies. Or anything in general.

There are ways around things though,- probably no occupational therapist can help with guitar, but with other assistance/aides & maybe even a physio, your Father can retain what function he now has.

I've lost most of the use of my dominant hand,- even had to have lessons on how to sign my name again. More than a year later I have some function & with devices, home help, & a LOT of physio & brain tricks,- I can partially use it.

Vegie gardening & Cooking for friends is what I miss most, & of course sweetchildofmine It's just about doing the best you can & trying not to dwell on the negatives.

OpiatesK, I think that's the role of a GP/Family Dr,- to refer you on if things get too tricky.

Probably 90% of their patients come in with coughs/colds/headache/low back pain so, when someone begins asking questions that they can't answer or is beyond their realm of knowledge the Doctor will refer you to a specialist with more expertise.

Lucky you if you failed a drug test & are still on opiates! Def in the minority there!!

Unless you mean you're being forced to do PM as in a multidisciplinary clinic. Lol, I didn't get past the second appt....apparently I was deemed not ready for it by the higher powers that be.

Here in OZ the current treatment for pain is to engage the chronic pain patient in a 6-8 wk course where you learn to live without 'Unhelpful Meds' ie: Opiates.

Instead turn to mindfulness, psych, physio or even hydro. Just take away those nasty, hyperalgesia causing narcotics!!

Rtp

 

[Fuzzing]

@shroomy we all need people every now and again. Im here too when you need someoneone and physio is generally something that needs asked for because at this point in the year youve usually maxed what the insurance company will cover. Also bonus points some insurances cover massage therapy in certain situations. Ask your pm for a script 9/10 times they cover.
@wassup024 I get your path I have been there for 12 yrs since my dads accident (he worked for x company and took massive weight to groin=now using cane but found new purpose to his life) he found true joy again. Help him find his. Be encouraging with what he can do if he likes old schoold video games (atari and sega) see if you guys can find a console on ebay and play together. It is more fun than you expect.
@opiatekrrzy new fda guidelines have put drs nuts in a squeeze tighter than you can imagine. I work in a hospital and have seen drs that operate daily cut off from prescribing narcotics because they have reached said new fda quota for the month. Stupid shit stupid rule so now we only really have pain management doctors writing post op narcotics even due to new rules passed just recently. They can write all the scripts they need to but no one else can. New fda nut squueze to piss off drs and pain patients. Also there is a risk of every 6 months being dropped off meds to baseline pain with some patients due to this rule as well. Stupid. Fucked. Up. Sysyem. Degenerates who arent in legitimate pain and feeding addictions have messed it up for everyone.

 

[Mad Cow]

Hello everyone. I am very new to this forum and not a drug user. Regarding drugs, my personal and professional interest in pain management, because I have a family member living with a chronic pain and because I am a nurse. Changes I currently see in approach to pain management simply make me scared. I was born and raised in Russia, where doctors couldn't care less about the patient's comfort. I had undergone a tonsillectomy without anesthesia, and witnessed my grandparents dying of cancer in unrelieved pain. Needless to say, American healthcare felt like heavens for me... And not a surprise, pain management is my professional interest.
Now I am scared. Recently I took my mom to an ER for back pain. My mom is a senior citizen, and her diagnosis is confirmed by Xrays and MRIs. She wasn't prescribed opioids for years. Her pain was 10, she literally couldn't move. She was given toradol, steroids, and one pill of Vicodin... Yes, just one. No more. I felt like my eldely helpless mom is being treated like a drug seeker.
And at work, I see patients being undertreated for pain all the time. I am advocating for them like a bulldog, but doctors can't do much because of regulations.
I am so scared. The healthcare system is losing respect for human beings, losing empathy. We the healthcare professionals feel helpless. I always liked palliative and hospice nursing, but now I feel that only with terminal patients I can be a caring and helping nurse, because I can give them enough meds to make them comfortable.
I think that these new regulations are harmful, and the people who suffer the most are the most helpless patients. People with chronic pains and limited income. People with limited English skills. People who do unskilled labor. The elderly, especially single.
Lawmakers who pass such regulations and scream about "overuse of opioids" have the best healthcare and all the meds they need. People who suffer from their regulations have pain, fear, and suspicious attitude toward them. Unfortunately I know all to well where this road leads. And again, I am scared.
Thank you for listening.

 

[ConGi]

Headaches

First post!

Also I saw someone mention taking tramadol with imitrex. My pharmacist told me that taking the two together could potentially cause serotonin syndrome. Not sure how likely it is or in what doses it becomes a danger

Maxalt MLT, works great

 

[Fuzzing]

I was on the combo for five years depends on dosage of each per day