The End Is Nigh, hold you loved ones close, there is nowhere you can hide.....

[Ignio]

I feel with you people from the UK.

I could fear that we will see a lot of people going through ridiculous bad benzodiazepine withdrawals when the ban kick if. If some people haven't seen it and stocked up so they at least have enough to tapper out it can result in some bad situations. I wonder whether the authorities have any clues regarding to amount of people addicted to RC benzo's. From what I can understand it is ridiculous hard to get a prescriptions for benzodiazepines in the UK?

Dealers dealing illegal prescription benzo's must be clapping their hands. A huge market will be opening up for them.

I don't live in the UK, but I am gonna miss the UK vendors and the UK RC forums. I am gonna place my last order to a UK shop and get a good shipment of Etizest Etizolam. It is over a year since I took Etizolam, so I am looking forward to the experience again. I get diazepam and clonazepam on prescription, but Etizolam is the only RC benzo that I actually prefer above pharmaceutical clonazepam (which is my favorite benzo).

 

[the_gay_blade]

I could fear that we will see a lot of people going through ridiculous bad benzodiazepine withdrawals when the ban kick if. If some people haven't seen it and stocked up so they at least have enough to tapper out it can result in some bad situations. I wonder whether the authorities have any clues regarding to amount of people addicted to RC benzo's. From what I can understand it is ridiculous hard to get a prescriptions for benzodiazepines in the UK?

It most certainly is, and while I sympathise with the plight of anybody left high and dry with a benzo addiction, the example of RC benzos will be an invaluable one in the hands of the prohibitionists: "look what happened when we allowed unfettered access to these evil substances". No amount of horror stories from those unfortunates left in the lurch will be effective in countering this argument, because it fits in perfectly with the 'drugs = bad' narrative. RC benzos are a propaganda coup for the government in this respect.

 

[Shambles]

I really, really, really think that this is unnecessary worry if possession is not going to be an offence. Why spend thousands and thousands of pounds effectively pursuing people for a non-offence? There's some druggy paranoia at work. All that I envisage is the current domestic vendors going out of business, and that's it. It's about curbing easy availability, not chasing down ever gram of 3,4,5-methyl-whatever that crosses the Channel in the hope of catching somebody on a low-level importation charge. Larger amounts may be treated differently, but I'd expect any letter post to be ignored, as is more or less the case for well-packaged illegals already.

I tend to agree with this. But as a matter of principle this law is still an abomination. Whether it makes a difference in reality or not the fact remains that it does completely switch around the traditional legal approach to human rights in this country. The slippery slope/thin end of the wedge argument is always a poor one but there is certainly cause to be concerned given how fundamental a shift it is and when considered in context of so many other changes that either have gone through or have at least been proposed. No it doesn't mean the UK will become a police state, but it does mean the underlying legal necessities are being put into place one by one that would make such a thing feasible. That alone is cause for concern. Certainly not cause for panic and despair but being unhappy with the general trend seems eminently sensible to me.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

From the news reports I have heard, as everyone knows, no one will be much interested in any individuals small amounts of legal highs for personal use.

However Theresa May herself has said that they will be taking a much more serious approach to dealing and importation. Again I dont know if she meant large scale importation, or whether they would be going after someone trying to import 1g of ethylphenidate for personal use post-ban. That would seem a bit counter-productive. I may stock up a little pre-ban, and keep my eyes and ears open as to people ordering small amounts of personal use chemicals from over-seas vendors as to whether anything has changed post-ban.

 

[Shambles]

Given they've not exactly had much success in stemming the flow of drugs that have been illegal for decades - even stinking bulky ones like weed - the chances of a successful crackdown on personal importation lie somewhere between zero and none at all.

 

[One Thousand Words]

So business as usual then, no need to complain?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I dont want to say anything to temp fate, but I hope you're right. In terms of manpower alone, the "austerity cuts" may actually be a good thing in this scenario.

 

[Shambles]

So business as usual then, no need to complain?

Plenty of reason to complain as noted. Some things are more important than whether or not I occasionally have to ask my vendor for a free replacement cos a package got stopped at customs. Although that is pretty frikkin' important obviously.

 

[One Thousand Words]

I'd put public health over your personal inconvenience any day of the week.

I strongly feel there are no good reasons for benzos to be consumed by the public without proper checks in place. I guess I'm fortunate that I have a good supply, but even as an irresponsible drug taker [tm] I accept that they are short term chemicals. I'm happy to bosh a couple of Valium for a long flight or to get some well earned rest, but start washing them down nightly with your beer and you need to question the causes of your symptoms.

 

[Shambles]

I'd put public health over your personal inconvenience any day of the week.

So would I which is precisely the point I and others have been making.

The majority of cases of people getting into big trouble with RC benzos appear to be either people with history of benzo addiction (which rather suggests they're gonna find benzos one way or another whether legal or not) and those who know nothing about benzos and the major risk of addiction and dangerous w/d. Which is why I would agree the current system is terrible. The bit we are probably always going to differ on is that I think it abundantly clear that education and controlled legal supply is the only viable option for truly reducing the harm associated with drugs of all kinds, whilst you seem to live in a world where prohibition works.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Education already exists, it's called a pharmacy or medical degree. What makes you think that Joe Junkie knows better than the entire medical community?

 

[Airmid]

Shambles, I'm sorry to say some of us are just 'casting our pearls before swine'...It seems it would be beneficial for some members of BL to get themselves assessed for
S-RCD.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Education already exists, it's called a pharmacy or medical degree. What makes you think that Joe Junkie knows better than the entire medical community?

Try to belittle the argument all you like by characterising it as such but it won't make any difference to the truth.

No-one is suggesting "Joe Junkie" - by which you presumably mean, in words you'd use, 'all injecting junkie chav scum' knows better than 'the entire medical community'.

But to suggest 'the entire medical community' comes out on top in pharmacological knowledge over every drug user is disingenuous at best.

Yes, pharmacists, no-one is going to argue with you there. Tremendous pharmacological knowledge. That's their fucking job after all. But it's not pharmacists your average drug user goes to for help and advice is it? In my country, and I presume yours, pharmacists play a decidedly secondary role to doctors. You know, the ones with the 'medical degree'. And having a medical degree is no guarantee whatsoever of having a wide range of pharmacological knowledge. GP's and most doctors DO NOT specialise in pharmacology at any point. It is not stretching anyone's imagination one bit to suggest that there are a fair percentage of drug users with more knowledge of street drugs (and especially today's RCs) than their GP might have.

Shambles is quite correct to suggest education as a move towards a panacea for ill health caused by drug use. And medical professionals would stand to benefit just as much as Joe Junkie in a lot of cases.

 

[One Thousand Words]

I've lost count of the number of drug experts around here who have died or become addicted. If anything an unhealthy obsession of chasing chemicals is a major cause of this cloudy judgement.

The medical community knows the foley of self medication, and have strict guidelines in place to prevent it. Why should people whose lives are consumed by drug abuse be any different?

 

[steewith2ees]

I'm not a drug expert and despite being educated as a health professional I have never been one. But I am a drug addict and have used drugs on a regular basis for 21 years, so while I am far from being an expert Ive took enough to know more about what they do than most. Yes my life is chaotic because I'm a greedy thicko who has no one to blame but himself for
his misery. And yes, I'm a pathetic brit who doesn't like the fact that I can't buy 21-FKD-YR5 from the internet any more rather than sticking to Charlie darling. But that's me and the main reason I'm whinging about this law and UK drug policy in general is the fact that the Governments standard approach is to make sure that the supply of dangerous drugs should be controlled by criminals alone who have no responsibility even to make any money from the enterprise, and that any amount of harm or death caused by drugs is perfectly acceptable as long as the message is clear that it is immoral to become intoxicated. Unless the drug is Ethanol in which case its so moral the Catholics crack open a bottle of new world red for every mass.

But enough of that, I just wanted to report that I have made my last RC purchases and everything has now finally arrived so I'm going to open up my shopping bag like the show off tart that I am.

Item 1 : Needed one more top up on the benzos, as I have plenty anyway but they are all either too powerful for functional use or are fuctional but boring as you need a bit of a punch, especially to help one transition after seshing on stims (proper, synthetic stims anyway. You don't need them to wind down even if you take £100 of coke - just wait 20 minutes for it to wear off) so I have topped up my Norflurazepam so that I now have 100 5mg pellets for down the line - they are not to weak or to strong, with the effect being almost identical to Nitrazepam but with the fast onset that diazepam provides for a long acting benzo. These are spot on, they are equipotent to Nitrazepam with a similar duration of action. I promise I wont buy any more. Ive even stopped taking them on the whole to allow my ridiculous tolerance to drop after 2 years of Clonazolam and Flubromazepam.

Item 2: 25 100mcg 1-P LSD blotters from the only place worth going to as I still have 21 left from last summers lot, and as I use them sparingly I think a stash of 46 tabs is enough - for reasons I wont bore you with again I truly prefer these to street acid as they are the same drug only better, as they are just as intense but predictable in effect due to the precision of the dosing - you can pre - select the intensity of the trip by selecting between one (nice and standard trip) or 3 (level 10B geometry in 4 to 7 physical dimensions). I don't know if 4 would be a good idea, but regardless of the intensity of the trip they always last exactly 8 hours which is a perfect length for a lysergamide, not the 12 hours plus I have had to endure from street tabs in the past)

Item 3: Well its obvious that it arrived today if you look at my previous post in the Friday thread. 3-FPM is the only other RC that I have found impressive aside from the LSD, and since the quality went shit in the autumn I just got out of the habit of taking it. I was recently pointed towards a vendor that sold me the first proper 3-FPM powder since September, but as the vendors are selling it like hotcakes it appears that although we have started to see the first high purity ( >99% ) powder on a regular basis vendors still seem to be getting through batches of various quality every few days. So, to try and obtain as pure a product as possible, I returned to the crowd who sold me the fantastic stuff and went for their crystal, of which I have vaped 250mg of this afternoon. The fact that I am still pranged to fuckery 12 hours later on what is identical to the best powder I have had shows that I can exercise good judgement, even if it is with regards to a pointless matter. All I know is that I now have 3 grams of the best 3-FPM I could ask for, which I will put away for a rainy day as despite the fiendish nature of this drug when chased / vaped - its the last that I will ever have access to so I have a genuine restraint regarding its use. Plus, it came to a tenner a gram which is a steal PLUS they sent me the 2 remaining BK - 2C - B pellets I needed as a free gift. I have no desire to try them any time soon but as I was given a 3rd pellet as a sample - I now have 2 150mg doses obtained for free which is enough for myself and an associate to give them a whirl at some point.

Happy daze 8(