treefingers49
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I agree with nuke. if you can't handle bad trips then you shouldn't be using psychedelics. they are an essential part of the entire experience.
Yep although I've never used anything 2 abort a trip. This Shit will KNOCK you out. Hm maybe a benzo will take some edge off maybe a nice beer buzz anyone else no about these other 2 ?HeadyHomeGrown said:Seroquel and always just let go and let the substance do what it wants with you don't fight it and you'll be fine.
nuke said:Maybe you should learn to trip in a better setting, then? Or learn to start at reasonable dosages of a chemical and work your way up to a maximum level, so that you don't get overwhelmed?
I've seen too many people have awful trips because they're just irresponsible psychedelics users. Getting your ass kicked teaches you respect.
fizzacyst said:Thats not going to help you much though, if you just broke up with your long term SO, your best friend just died, your dog is in the pet hospital, you got fired, and just dropped 5 hits of acid. You have to use some common sense.
fizzacyst said:I make a distinction between a rough/difficult trip and a bad trip. Some of the difficult ones have been of the most benefit to me, in terms of personal growth or awareness of an issue. I'm forced to deal with something I might not want to. I've had many of these.
I've only had one of what I'd consider a bad trip -- total psychedelic meltdown... not a god damn thing makes sense, everyone's out to get me, im stuck this forever, gonna die, might as well get it over with and kill myself now full on pounding terror and anxiety. The exact opposite of love and peace. Fear, hatred, anger, anxiety, pumping though my veins... no escape. The very concept of calm is gone. There is only bad and worse, and every second that goes by I learn how much worse things can get... which is quite a bit, since from my perspective, time has stopped.
While I can and did handle that, I don't think anyone should have to be told that if they cannot deal with such a situation that psychedelics are not for them. Being able to handle it is a good thing should you get there, but a very careful selection of setting while in the right mindset, with the appropriate "escape plan" is sufficient I think.
By escape plan, I mean being able to quickly and drastically alter the situation and environment... like lighting change, music change, going to different safe location, having benzos or antipsychotics, etc.
Sometimes just knowing you have something to calm you down if needed, is all you need to calm down. Its very reassuring.
Thats not going to help you much though, if you just broke up with your long term SO, your best friend just died, your dog is in the pet hospital, you got fired, and just dropped 5 hits of acid. You have to use some common sense.
I do think you should expect to have a rough experience at some point, and be prepared to deal with that possibility. If you trip enough, its going to happen.
This sounds like a "break through" experience. Fighting it can definitely give you a bad trip. To SEE it is to Know. And Once you've SEEN it, you "Know" that you can never not Know again. You might even never come back. At the very least, you will never be the same...Ximot said:/
But there is one moment that had me very very afraid in the past... the moment where you get so close to insanity, or to complete selflessness (ego deathj I guess is what it's called) and it just seems that IF I LET GO NOW I WILL CEASE TO EXIST AND I MAY NEVER COME BACK. I know that all I need to do is let the drug do its thing and just not do anything except be, and see . . . but there are stories of people who went very far and didn't make it back properly. And I just don't want to have that. The thought of being a vegetable forever onwards can be quite unnerving.