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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy MET Thread

Thanks for sharing that account. I imagine DMT, which is quite caustic, could severely irritate or even slightly burn the lungs, especially if most of a dose was inhaled. I haven't seen MET, or know whether it's a freebase or salt you had, or whether a salt, if it was one, would also be caustic, but I can imagine such an event maybe causing some damage leading to infection or a worsening of infection.
 
zomg I forgot how fun this place was. can't believe my login worked after a decade or whatever. you crazy burnouts.


anyway I recently tried MET for the first time, oddly enough that it took this long given my history. but here it is available so I gave it a try, smoked.

it comes on slowly compared to other substances, which is nice because you aren't overwhelmed. then it builds and builds over several minutes, mind-melting and physically orgasmic as rushes of pleasure shoot through your brain and body. even an hour later I feel them beyond the cannabis I smoked as well.

to be honest I think this would make a great booster for other substances the way I used 5MEO DMT or salvia previously, but BETTER.
no dark corners,which is both a plus and a minus depending upon your intent, but also feels very organic somehow: the simplicity of the tryp? I dunno.
 
Hah crazy you joined 11 years ago and this is your first post? =D

I have yet to try MET, for some reason. It sounds really lovely though. Perhaps I should get some.
 
daveydudely said:
zomg I forgot how fun this place was. can't believe my login worked after a decade or whatever. you crazy burnouts.


anyway I recently tried MET for the first time, oddly enough that it took this long given my history. but here it is available so I gave it a try, smoked.

it comes on slowly compared to other substances, which is nice because you aren't overwhelmed. then it builds and builds over several minutes, mind-melting and physically orgasmic as rushes of pleasure shoot through your brain and body. even an hour later I feel them beyond the cannabis I smoked as well.

to be honest I think this would make a great booster for other substances the way I used 5MEO DMT or salvia previously, but BETTER.
no dark corners,which is both a plus and a minus depending upon your intent, but also feels very organic somehow: the simplicity of the tryp? I dunno.
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Hey, I have been struggling to get my MET fumerate into freebase for smoking. Did you start with freebase or convert it. Looking for advice as the usual methods don?t seem to work for me and many others before.
 
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Would love to hear about it if you've had any success since this post!

Tried making a tiny bit of freebase 5-ho-met this evening using sodium carbonate, just a tiny bit on a spoon the ghetto way, its all dried now but im not sure when i'll actually try vaping it.

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Hey, went on a funny one and diliberately locked myself out my old account and changed the email address. I still have not had any luck. Maybe I will try your method which a tiny bit like you said. Previous attempts to get it to crash out may have been using too much liquid. I saw a red oil appear and then before I could collect it, it vanished.
 
Hey guys, I have 1000 mgs (1 gram) of MET fumerate on the way. ive cruised through this thread and see some ppl had trouble freebasing MET? can I vape it as is in a meth bubble? I want to vape 100 mgs of it while peaking on oral 4 aco DMT.... how is this for IV use? i like IV tryptamines. Im thinking if i cant get it to vape in fumerate form, i may try the simple "Foily" method that locals around here use with cocaine hcl. they use sodium (bi) Carbonate with the drug, and a drop or two of h20 to form a paste, this paste is then vaped directly. an instant freebase im assuming... What is the best for converting tryptamines to bases? sodium hydroxide? ammonia like freebase cocaine is sometimes done? or baking soda like the crack form of freebase? Im interested in seeing what this compound does when vaped properly. Id like to avoid IV if possible
 
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I believe the reason for trouble vaping is that it comes as a fumarate salt and not a freebase. If this is the case, then it's readily dissolvable for IV/IM, but not efficient to vaporize. You'd need to convert it to freebase. I'd like someone else to chime in though as I'm speaking from memory and haven't tried any of it.
 
Everyone says its lighter then nn DMT as well. Can i get a breakthrough on i..t? If i smoke 100 mgs or give myself an IV injection, surely i can push it too DMT levels? especially if i hit it peaking on oral 4 aco dmt.... and maybe hit a whippit if possible
 
Got my MET in the mail. Looks like Mars soil. rusty red fumarate powder......tried vaping it as is with no success. how is it orally? i might go that route. does it burn to sniff? I may just take a large dose of 4 aco dmt complimented with oral MET
 
Shadowmeister said:
I believe the reason for trouble vaping is that it comes as a fumarate salt and not a freebase. If this is the case, then it's readily dissolvable for IV/IM, but not efficient to vaporize. You'd need to convert it to freebase. I'd like someone else to chime in though as I'm speaking from memory and haven't tried any of it.
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I think the main issue is lack of user reports of successfully converting MET to freebase, lots of cases of people having difficulties with the teks that work for DMT fumarate. Why? I'm not sure, but I bet its relatively simple chemistry.

Also, on the note of smoking/vaping fumarate, I posted this in another thread but I think it's useful here as well. I emailed psychonaut wiki about adding a warning about smoking fumarate (lots of posts about this around), and he was telling me that its actually misinformation, here is the reply:

"I have previously investigated this topic and concluded that there is unlikely to be any harm from conversion of fumarate into maleic anhydride upon vaporisation and inhalation and this conclusion has been seconded by qualified chemists with whom I have discussed this issue.

Assuming a typical dose of 20mg for most fumarate salt compounds that would be used through vaporisation, for the hemifumarate salt (the most likely form of this salt in this context), 20mg of the compound would include 4.2mg of fumarate, but for simplicity's sake and as a catch-all for cases where a 1:1 ratio may have been used lets say that would be 10mg of fumarate being added. If we assume a 100% conversion rate for all of the fumarate into maleic anhydride (which is extremely unlikely, but that's beside the point for this example) this would yield maleic anhydride levels which are above the safe exposure level for humans; however, maleic anhydride is readily hydrolysed into maleic acid in the presence of water, which is safe to the extent that it's even used as a sour flavouring, and thusly there is by a very large margin sufficient water present in the lungs to hydrolyse 10mg of maleic anhydride so therefore vaporisation of fumarate salts at levels that would be reasonably possible for any of the relevant compounds on PsychonautWiki should be of no concern."

REGARDLESS, fumarate is very difficult if not impossible (given the average users resources and dexterity) to vaporize properly. I read a very easy to understand explanation of why this is; freebase works because freebasing a chemical increases the range between the temperature at which the substance vaporizes and when the substance burns. Effectively, you get a way more generous window for error in getting the vaporization temperature right, avoiding burning it. Fumarate has an incredibly small window of temperatures at which is vaporizes readily and burns, so you need to be incredibly precise. On top of all this, fumarate from user reports is not pleasant at all to inhale, but this could just be because they are likely burning a lot.

cj187 said:
There was a new MET trip report added to Erowid not too long ago where they broke through from smoking a high dose. They said it's as strong as DMT if not stronger.
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Link please?!
 
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Xorkoth
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11 years ago and this is your first post? =D

I have yet to try MET, for some reason. It sounds really lovely though. Perhaps I should get some.

Heh heh, yes i deleted all my posts from those years ago, after April was busted by the DEA, believing I could erase all evidence of human consumption from the net. ;)
 
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I've aquired 250mg furmerate. I'm not going to freebase it. How is this substance orally/plugged/nasally? I assume duration plugged/nasally is about the same as DPT? And what dosage +- compares to let's say 100mg nasally/plugged DPT?
 
I'm afraid that I wouldn't consider MET to be comparable to DPT. A lot of people have said that it's DMT-like, but my experience is that it's much, much, much, much lighter. It's gentle and a little visual with a nice emotional quality to it, just really wonderful stuff. It has never rocked my world, and that has been when vaporized. I have tried both insufflated and rectal dosing, and found them to be pleasant but rather lackluster compared to vaporization. I feel like it would take a lot of rather expensive material to get anywhere with them via rectal (which would be expensive) and probably more than I would physically want up my nose anyway.

I had good luck vaporizing the fumarate salt. Although my freebase obviously worked better, it was harder to weigh and manipulate. I'm not particularly worried about the practically insignificant amount of maleic anhydride that may be released by vaporizing the fumarate, but I agree that the risk of harmful pyrolization byproducts produced by this ROA isn't negligible. In a perfect world, it would be inexpensive enough to use a proper dose orally without having to take a reversible monoamine oxidase inhibitor.
 
I keep reading on and on in this thread looking to find just a few more instances of insufflation. Since snorting the ACO's and the HO's is pretty much my favorite way to ingest these trypts, and I have a nose of steel, I'll be trying the same dose that Dondante first tried. 15 mg.

There's NO way it can be any more painful than snorting 2C-I. That was like catching a sledge hammer in the face.
 
I didn't find it to be painful via this route, just impractical. Maybe it will be different for you. Some people have had strong effects from MET, but I (a lightweight) have found it hard to get to a desired level of effects from vaping 3x that amount. The most I've insufflated was ~20mg iirc, and I didn't feel much. Rectal was easier to manage dose-wise, but also proved to be disappointing. It just provided some mild stimulation. I think I would need a vastly higher dose to get anywhere, and that's not practical financially and not pleasant nasally.
 
i never understood why so many people snorted certain chemicals proven long ago best vaporized or orally ingested

and insufflation is harder on the system than smoking

yeah it's cool to snort sh*t but other than that a stupid idea when it comes to base tryps and 4 subs
 
Have you ever done a bump of 4-ACO-DMT? Or the other trypts? It's literally the best way to do a 4 hr microdose, or just have a banging come up. 4 mg is perfect for academic endeavors and studying, and surprisingly effective during training. If the required dose is over 10 mg for an effect via the nose, then insufflation is not practical IMO. It should be potent enough to not require a volume of powder that would destroy your sinuses for days after the event. I'm trying to feel this one out and see if it meets my criteria. If 15 mg works out, I'd bet the next escalation would be ingestion or plugging for me personally, unless I can convert the fumarate salt to a freebase.

Comeup (snorted) is 40 mins regardless of dose for the 4 subs, hits pretty strong (dose determines the strength of the experience really), but in my experience, you're in and out faster when you insufflate. Which is appealing to me for personal reasons, at certain times.

If I was going to smoke this shit, I'd need to convert the salt to a freebase to hit it properly. I have nothing against oral or smoking, but it's a matter of preference. Having only enough to do a few experiments with is restrictive, but them's the breaks!
 
daveydudely said:
and insufflation is harder on the system than smoking
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I'd have to say that there is times where either could be preferable. Depends on the context, the situation, the drug, the volume of drug required and the duration of administration, purity etc etc etc. Many many reasons could be discussed. But for this particular case, preference and the state (fumarate salt) dictate the preferable ROI (Route of ingestion).
 
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