The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (3rd edition)

[gwd]

Is it strange to not get strong visuals off of 1 mg of 25i (complexed blotter). Occasionally I would see surfaces swirl, or objects "breathe", but this was in a short period of time and I did not get many OEVs, only CEVs. Is this normal?

edit: I would like to mention that the same happened to my friend- she also took 1 blotter, and experienced pretty much the same thing- little to no CEVs (with surfaces and textures swirling every now and then). Could it just be that this batch was laid unevenly?

 

[weadazoid]

Is it strange to not get strong visuals off of 1 mg of 25i (complexed blotter). Occasionally I would see surfaces swirl, or objects "breathe", but this was in a short period of time and I did not get many OEVs, only CEVs. Is this normal?

ROA? Did you hold your spit if it was sublingual. I have gotten quite good at it, I practice sometimes with tiny amounts of water.. 20 minutes goes by slowly with that bitter numbing thing in your mouth.


FIrst timer? or been there before, when was your last experience? tolerance or cross tolerance could have spun you the wrong way

 

[TheWeatherman]

I had 1mg of 25i buccal last night and can safely say i'll never have this drug again. visually the most pleasing psych i've tried but god damn i get a bad body load from it. Bad vasoconstriction and almost seizure like muscle clenching in my jaw, neck, back, arms and stomach. It was so bad that i couldn't forget about the feeling, which caused me not to be able to 'let go'. This triggered a very bad trip that lasted 16 hours. I thought i was either going to die or go insane. I really don't see a point in people trying 25i when you can get similar results on much safer chems.

 

[weadazoid]

16 hours WTF????


Thts why everyone should start at 500 ug or lower to test the water, then cycle up slowly. ANythings possible but 16 hours on 1mg seems odd to me.

 

[TheWeatherman]

I did start at 500ug. I did smoke a bit of bud during the trip, which probably contributed to the duration. oevs stopped at te 10-11hr mark, cevs up until 15-16hr.

 

[admiral halsey]

My vendor didn't mention if the 25i blotters were complexed or not. Is it safe to assume that they are complexed?

Also, does it really matter?(i cant find a straight answer...only mixed opinions)

 

[weadazoid]

My vendor didn't mention if the 25i blotters were complexed or not. Is it safe to assume that they are complexed?

Also, does it really matter?(i cant find a straight answer...only mixed opinions)

it is a matter of bioavailability. The general rule with blotter seems to be hold it in your mouth for 20 minutes complexed 40 minutes non complexed

 

[Nutsnbolts]

This has probably been brought up somewhere in this or one of the previous threads. I'd rather not have to dig through them though. Lets be realistic, what are the chances of a person having a fatal reaction to 0.5 - 1mg of 25i their first time? I guess I'm mainly just looking for reassurance since I'll be trying it for the first time in a couple of days.

 

[0x00]

This has probably been brought up somewhere in this or one of the previous threads. I'd rather not have to dig through them though. Lets be realistic, what are the chances of a person having a fatal reaction to 0.5 - 1mg of 25i their first time? I guess I'm mainly just looking for reassurance since I'll be trying it for the first time in a couple of days.

That you'll have a fatal reaction: negligible, that you'll have a great time: very likely.

 

[Transform]

My vendor didn't mention if the 25i blotters were complexed or not. Is it safe to assume that they are complexed?

Also, does it really matter?(i cant find a straight answer...only mixed opinions)

No. If nothing is said then you should assume they are uncomplexed.

Complexation does appear to increase potency somewhat, even in the salt form. Perhaps by 10-20% from what I have read.

Fatal reactions to recreational drugs within their normal dosage range are incredibly rare - if they weren't people would not take them.

 

[nbome25]

can anyone please tell me how to turn freebase 25i into hcl? i have been reading about this literally for hours and have yet to find a simple method of doing so or at least one that is very clear people seem to have a lot of disagreements everytime someone says how to do it. and is the freebase smokeable i have read it is and it isnt. will be looking forward to a quick answer thanks

 

[johhnya541]

25i-NBOME has changed my life for the worse.. I think the guy who dosed me didn't shake the vile well enough before he put it in my hand. I'm not sure what he dissolved it in but he poured a giant puddle into my palm. It had to have been 20-30 hits. He told me it was super clean LSD, Orange Sunshine to be exact. My friends were neighbors with the guy and they were all talking it up as well. This was at EFF 2012 by the way... I could see the puddle seeping into my skin as I looked at it, I then decided to lick my palm, it was super bitter tasting and I knew right away it was not L. A half hour later, I puked followed by the most intense visuals I have ever had in my life. My girlfriend and my friends were on it as well but they said they didn't have nearly as intense visuals as I. Some time goes by as I'm melting not making any sense whatsoever. I could tell my girl was concerned about me by the way I was acting. We decided to lean up against a tree and relax for a minute when I felt my heart pounding out of the side of my chest, my girl immediately said that she could feel it because my arm was around her. It scared the shit out of me. The whole rest of the festival I felt super spun and drained. I had no enthusiasm whatsoever, all my friends thought I was giving off negative vibes and it seemed like they were trying to avoid me. The whole time I was trying to keep myself calm and kept reassuring myself that it was going to ware off soon, It didn't. When I got home I started to panic and I thought I was in a permatrip because it was four days after I consumed the 25i. By the way, I later found out it was 25i-NBOME from a friend who actually bought a vile of it and took it home and got it tested. I had extreme anxiety and I couldn't stop thinking about it. I was worrying about being perm fucked soo bad. I kept bringing it up to my girlfriend and my family, I would not stop talking about it. I admitted myself to the ER and I told them that I consumed a large amount of lsd and MDMA because that's what I thought I had. They ran a bunch of tests on me and said that nothing was out of the ordinary and sent me on my way. I think since I didn't go to the hospital earlier they couldnt find any abnormalities. I felt so hopeless and helpless about the whole situation during the first 2 months after the trip. I couldn't believe I could change my life over one weekend of trying to have fun. The love of my life ended up leaving me because of how different I became, how socially anxious, depressed, pessimistic I was. My symptoms included; Severe social anxiety, Major Depression with suicidal ideation, Brain fog feeling in the back of my head, no motivation, no energy, black stool, stomach ulcers, depersonalization/Derealization, jerky movements, cognitive difficulties, etc. Also, I weighed myself at my house when I got home and I was 138 lb which was 20 lb lighter than when I went into the fest. I'm a very slim and slender guy who has never had body fat so I came to the conclusion that I lost 20 pounds of muscle! One of the specialist I saw said I could have had hyperthermia for over 12 hrs so that could explain the muscle loss and neurological problems. That's all I can think of for now but those lasted for a good 3 months until I started feeling some relief. Since then, its been about 6 months and I'm left with less severe anxiety and depression, the brain fog is gone, my energy has come back a little bit, motivation is slightly better, I still have cognitive difficulties and whatever song I hear gets stuck in my head all day and it drives me crazy. I went to a few specialist early on (before I knew it was 25i) and they just sent me home and said wait it out... One said I may have fried my dopamine receptors based on all of my symptoms, he said they grow back in 6 months to a year, that gave me some relief but that doesn't explain the cognitive problems Ive been having, I often forget what I'm talking about or its hard for me to find the words I want to say. I feel like a fucking idiot when I talk to people. I hope to god everyday that I return to baseline but its not looking like it. Not a day goes by where I don't think about that festival and what happened to me. I'm so negative now and I have a very pessimistic outlook on life. Has anyone had any similar experiences? Do the symptoms subside? Should I try medication? Ive abstained from most drugs since then besides weed everyday and LSD and MDMA occasionally. I don't want to be stuck in this funk for the rest of my life, I'm only 25 and I have so much life ahead of me. Please respond, any input would help. Sorry about how this article is all over the place, I have ADD really bad and it seems that Its become worse since the trip. Thanks John

 

[NBROMe]

25i-NBOME has changed my life for the worse.. I think the guy who dosed me didn't shake the vile well enough before he put it in my hand. I'm not sure what he dissolved it in but he poured a giant puddle into my palm. It had to have been 20-30 hits. He told me it was super clean LSD, Orange Sunshine to be exact. My friends were neighbors with the guy and they were all talking it up as well. This was at EFF 2012 by the way... I could see the puddle seeping into my skin as I looked at it, I then decided to lick my palm, it was super bitter tasting and I knew right away it was not L. A half hour later, I puked followed by the most intense visuals I have ever had in my life. My girlfriend and my friends were on it as well but they said they didn't have nearly as intense visuals as I. Some time goes by as I'm melting not making any sense whatsoever. I could tell my girl was concerned about me by the way I was acting. We decided to lean up against a tree and relax for a minute when I felt my heart pounding out of the side of my chest, my girl immediately said that she could feel it because my arm was around her. It scared the shit out of me. The whole rest of the festival I felt super spun and drained. I had no enthusiasm whatsoever, all my friends thought I was giving off negative vibes and it seemed like they were trying to avoid me. The whole time I was trying to keep myself calm and kept reassuring myself that it was going to ware off soon, It didn't. When I got home I started to panic and I thought I was in a permatrip because it was four days after I consumed the 25i. By the way, I later found out it was 25i-NBOME from a friend who actually bought a vile of it and took it home and got it tested. I had extreme anxiety and I couldn't stop thinking about it. I was worrying about being perm fucked soo bad. I kept bringing it up to my girlfriend and my family, I would not stop talking about it. I admitted myself to the ER and I told them that I consumed a large amount of lsd and MDMA because that's what I thought I had. They ran a bunch of tests on me and said that nothing was out of the ordinary and sent me on my way. I think since I didn't go to the hospital earlier they couldnt find any abnormalities. I felt so hopeless and helpless about the whole situation during the first 2 months after the trip. I couldn't believe I could change my life over one weekend of trying to have fun. The love of my life ended up leaving me because of how different I became, how socially anxious, depressed, pessimistic I was. My symptoms included; Severe social anxiety, Major Depression with suicidal ideation, Brain fog feeling in the back of my head, no motivation, no energy, black stool, stomach ulcers, depersonalization/Derealization, jerky movements, cognitive difficulties, etc. Also, I weighed myself at my house when I got home and I was 138 lb which was 20 lb lighter than when I went into the fest. I'm a very slim and slender guy who has never had body fat so I came to the conclusion that I lost 20 pounds of muscle! One of the specialist I saw said I could have had hyperthermia for over 12 hrs so that could explain the muscle loss and neurological problems. That's all I can think of for now but those lasted for a good 3 months until I started feeling some relief. Since then, its been about 6 months and I'm left with less severe anxiety and depression, the brain fog is gone, my energy has come back a little bit, motivation is slightly better, I still have cognitive difficulties and whatever song I hear gets stuck in my head all day and it drives me crazy. I went to a few specialist early on (before I knew it was 25i) and they just sent me home and said wait it out... One said I may have fried my dopamine receptors based on all of my symptoms, he said they grow back in 6 months to a year, that gave me some relief but that doesn't explain the cognitive problems Ive been having, I often forget what I'm talking about or its hard for me to find the words I want to say. I feel like a fucking idiot when I talk to people. I hope to god everyday that I return to baseline but its not looking like it. Not a day goes by where I don't think about that festival and what happened to me. I'm so negative now and I have a very pessimistic outlook on life. Has anyone had any similar experiences? Do the symptoms subside? Should I try medication? Ive abstained from most drugs since then besides weed everyday and LSD and MDMA occasionally. I don't want to be stuck in this funk for the rest of my life, I'm only 25 and I have so much life ahead of me. Please respond, any input would help. Sorry about how this article is all over the place, I have ADD really bad and it seems that Its become worse since the trip. Thanks John

I would stay away from any drugs if possible, at least MDMA and LSD. MDMA can be hard on a brain as it is, and you could always get a NBOMe instead of LSD. Even with pure drugs, your brain needs a rest.

You want to be sure you are getting all the vitamins your brain needs. Additionally you may want to supplement some nootropics to help with any diminished mental functioning (perhaps Noopept and piracetam). I will PM you a site that may contain helpful information.

 

[Reverend Random]

^I am not so sure if taking nootropics is the best idea. Who knows how they react to whatever johhnya541 is experiencing?

 

[johhnya541]

Thanks for the input guys, I've really been struggling and this helps

 

[kidklmx]

Yeah abstinence and healthy living (apart from good nutrition, you'll need to exercise with some regularity too) will probably help you a lot, though there really isn't much more you can do. Keep faith though!

 

[JarBag]

kidklmx - "And JarBag, no one is claiming this to be a magical LSD replacement though, quite to the contrary. But if we put the possible health issues aside for a moment then this kind of trip def. has it's place. The easy going nature of this makes this IMO one of the more recreational psychs, and sometimes that's just exactly what I want. On the other hand, this one is not as shallow people make it up to be (contrary to 25c), I've def. had some amazing moments on this that I have yet to reproduce with the more deeper psychs.

Btw, with that harsh come-up did you go nasal? Some people experience it like that due to the sheer speed of it and intensity and they prefer sublingual. This could be the problem I think?"

Late reply, but I wanted to…

I have actually heard it is a lot like LSD, in person and online, that’s why I even mentioned that in the first place.. That’s what seems to big the ‘big debate’ about 25i generally. An ‘unscheduled’ alternative of course I mean. I only see the comparisons when people are looking for 'gud lagels maaan'. I never once felt my health was violated either, dose was too low, just my psyche. I’m not saying it can’t benefit to people, but most drugs can. What you go through to get to the peak just isn’t even worth it.. I think a lot of my trip being good had to do with the fact it was so shitty for almost a couple hours, that when the negatives subsided I was like.. “thank goodness”. The visuals were pretty crazy at points, in a good way, which was great. And it was fun, but just not worth it at all… I’m glad you enjoy it as well as others, but no way in hell I could recommend this to anybody.

I personally find benzos to be more introspective, just less ‘fun.’ I’m not going to take 25i again, but some Ativan or something to ease the comeup doesn’t sound like the worst idea.

I did not. Buccally, if I recall correctly? Though a guy I was with there had indeed done it nasally prior to this experience.
I vomited about 30-40 minutes in as well. And it was not psychosomatic, the taste alone was dreadful.

If you want LSD, don't do this. If you want this, do this. If you want legals, don't do this, do something else. 25i is 25i is 25i, and I'd recommend against it.


"I would stay away from any drugs if possible, at least MDMA and LSD. MDMA can be hard on a brain as it is, and you could always get a NBOMe instead of LSD. Even with pure drugs, your brain needs a rest."


^^ how is that even helpful advice? (Other than telling him his brain needs a rest.) substituting LSD with an NBOMe?

 

[NBROMe]

"I would stay away from any drugs if possible, at least MDMA and LSD. MDMA can be hard on a brain as it is, and you could always get a NBOMe instead of LSD. Even with pure drugs, your brain needs a rest."


^^ how is that even helpful advice? (Other than telling him his brain needs a rest.) substituting LSD with an NBOMe?

You misinterpreted what I said. He SHOULDN'T take 'LSD' because dealers often pass off NBOMe drugs as LSD. He wouldn't want to accidentally take another NBOMe if his body had a bad reaction the first time. Even if he tested his drugs, LSD would still be unproductive for a recovering brain.

 

[JarBag]

^^Oh okay, my bad. And I agree.

 

[bloodshed344]

Anyone else have an issue with 25i not doing anything at all? I have tried on 4 separate occasions with doses ranging from 1.2mg to 3.6mg buccal, from 3 different vendors, spaced out over several weeks, and even supplemented with 2c-d once (just now). Never once gotten much more than a + and some mildly interesting cev's and a bit of body load. I am thoroughly confused by this since I've had my ass whooped by 800ug of 25c (from the same vendor) and had a great experience with 25b as well. What the hell man! I was kinda willing to let go and move on until I read some of the reports on this thread. I cant help but feel that I am missing out big time here. Any ideas???

My friend had the same problem reversed with 25C having no effects and 25I having desired effects. Maybe it has something to do with the blood brain barrier.