The 3-FPM Discussion Thread V2. Fumes of Fiend Fuel

[SquidInSunglasses]

I haven't had notable prosexual effects personally from 3-FPM (one time I figured that I was going to see what all the fuss was about, snooftered a line, laid back in bed to have a wank, and promptly got distracted googling about rabbits instead with all thought or desire of wanking vanishing straight out my head). However, my current antidepressant is fairly strongly inhibiting on sexual ability, which may be throwing my experiences off.

Ah so that pulse feeling is vasculitis, good to know. Yeah, feet do seem to be pretty prone to that sort of effect off 3-FPM, but I've never been so unlucky as to get a long-lasting effect.

Recently, as I've found eating 3-FPM is a surefire ticket to nausea for me now, I've been sticking to snorting. Definitely avoids most of the nausea issue, and a good supply of antacids and peppermints sorts any other problems nicely, though I would really like it if the local clubs had better aircon so I wasn't getting added overheating-sourced stomach screwyness. The other thing I've been doing is railing 3-FPM at the start of the evening and then leaving it at that, usually only 50 mg, which I find is enough for a fun start and combo with a few drinks, but isn't the sort of 100s of mg retching in the toilets dose I was doing. I supplement it with speed later on if I am staying out dancing, and I find the two play nicely with each other and alcohol, and the 3-FPM just backgrounds away over the course of the night but still keeps the speed a little less edgy than it can be on its own. Obviously there are risks from both pushing the same side effects, but at least so far, keeping the doses low has proved enough to keep me from any noticable issues.

 

[consumer]

Is this pre ban 3FPM or dnm acquired Squid? I thought the 3FPM party was over.

If it is dnm gear has the quality dropped?

Just curious.

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

Is this pre ban 3FPM or dnm acquired Squid? I thought the 3FPM party was over.

If it is dnm gear has the quality dropped?

Just curious.

It's pre-ban stuff, from not too long before the end IIRC, I consume it pretty slow compared to most of the other users, especially now. I'll probably give some DNM stuff a go once this one runs out, for curiosity's sake, and if it sucks I'll just stick to more popular things.

 

[consumer]

I wonder if the quality will hold and if there is enough demand to stimulate production. Are there European RC sites still selling it? I have no idea as i dont look at them.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I wonder if the quality will hold and if there is enough demand to stimulate production. Are there European RC sites still selling it? I have no idea as i dont look at them.

No, No, Probably, Neither do I....

 

[kingme]

So is there any advantage to using 3FPM in combo with speed or other amphetamine? i mean, if it is more or less the same, wouldnt it just be better to stick to one or the other?

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

So is there any advantage to using 3FPM in combo with speed or other amphetamine? i mean, if it is more or less the same, wouldnt it just be better to stick to one or the other?

IMO yes, because 3-FPM has a hard to describe secondary effect profile in addition to being a DA/NE releasing stimulant, which all in the end are fairly close to each other. The best explanation I can come up with is that if you imagine reality as a polarised filter in one plane, and you as a wave of light polarised in the same plane, what 3-FPM does is slightly rotate your polarisation and put you just a bit out of sync with reality. If you do the "one dose of 3-FPM at the start of the evening and then speed later on when you need energy" thing I described earlier, it works pretty great, because the shadow of the 3-FPM blunts any possible edginess from speed and makes everything (including alcohol if you're drinking that evening) run together perfectly.

However, if you decide to do a whole bunch of 3-FPM, the rotation starts to significantly impact your connection with reality, and you end up drifting in rather a mental haze, and the leftover shadow if you do take some speed because your nose is dying and you want something longer lasting too, is enough to significantly drown out the mental sharpening sides of speed, leaving just the euphoric hit of the comeup and a mild sense of being dragged back to reality. However, everything in this paragraph might be bollocks because I'm also in the beginning stages of sleep dep at the moment and what I described is pretty much identical to sleep dep. I leave it to someone awake and sober to solve, personally.

Also considering discussions on prosexual effects of 3-FPM, I did just spend most of yesterday and this morning on pornhub, so I think the key here is quantity. And relatedly, if you are on an SNRI that is affecting your sexual performance and estradiol, plus stimulants on top of that, you may have a somewhat difficult time enjoying your porn properly >.>

Edit: forgot to say earlier because, well, I'm still pretty high and things just tend to drift out of my head at the moment. Mixing stimulants is of course risky especially if you space them closely like I did last night. I've had my heart ECGed recently but it was still pretty dumb. The other thing I wanted to say is, make sure you are heavily stocked on antacids if you take 3-FPM by any route that will send some at the stomach, as any potential nausea or other unpleasantness down there will be completely flattened. This stuff is frankly obnoxiously corrosive, and wherever you put it is going to suffer for it. A drug to be used rarely, really

 

[BigG]

I can't help but think that 3-FPM was around just long enough for regular users to realise that it has a significant dark side to its use yet not around quite long enough for those effects to truly manifest themselves and become more common knowledge.

I think you mentioned earlier squid that the stuff youre using at present is stuff you bought and kept from before the ban but once supplies of that type dry up and people selling it on the DN from hoarded pre-ban supplies also vanish there won't be sufficient demand for it to be a significant black market drug.

With amphetamine sulphate of a relatively high purity (compared to what is found on the streets) along with methamphetamine and the resurgence of cheap, potent MDMA all available from DNMs I just can't see why it would be worth people manufacturing 3-FPM illicitly.......

I mean if they were going to go down that road surely manufacturing pure phenmetrazine powder would make much more sense?

 

[breakcorefiend]

Tbh if there is a demand for it then it'll continue to be manufactured, there are a few vendors on the markets offering it, I haven't had a look to see whether it is hoarded pre-ban 3-fpm though, When I have a look I'll update this,

Like you said, as there are so many better drugs out there it would seem pointless to produce more of it when it runs out, but then again there is still mephedrone being manufactured and there are still nbomes being made so I guess if there is a demand then there will be a supply

 

[BigG]

Tbh if there is a demand for it then it'll continue to be manufactured, there are a few vendors on the markets offering it, I haven't had a look to see whether it is hoarded pre-ban 3-fpm though, When I have a look I'll update this,

Like you said, as there are so many better drugs out there it would seem pointless to produce more of it when it runs out, but then again there is still mephedrone being manufactured and there are still nbomes being made so I guess if there is a demand then there will be a supply

Yeah that kind of what I mean...... Is it actually good enough to warrant illicit manufacturing given better drugs such as amphetamine, methamphetamine and MDMA?

Mephedrone is a bit of a special case in that it was actually novel enough to justify post-ban manufacture.

I think with 3FPM we'll have to wait and see but I just doubt it personally.

I tried 3F on a couple of occasions and while it did what it said on the tin it wasn't anything jaw droppingly spectacular......nothing that would warrant the setting up of illicit 3-FPM manufacturing labs when that effort could be put into manufacturing amphetamine, meth or MDMA......

 

[kingme]

do you think there are any worthwhile phenmetrazine derivates? i remember reading a bit about them but nothing too special....

 

[BigG]

do you think there are any worthwhile phenmetrazine derivates? i remember reading a bit about them but nothing too special....

Not really sure about derivatives but pbenmetrazine itself was pretty popular in the 60s......

 

[breakcorefiend]

The Beatles were big fans of phenmetrazine apparently, Didn't it get banned due to cardiac issues or something?

 

[BigG]

The Beatles were big fans of phenmetrazine apparently, Didn't it get banned due to cardiac issues or something?

Yeah it was the Beatles.....Paul McCartney IIRC....

Not really sure why it was banned though....

Here's the wiki page although I've not read it all.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenmetrazine

I'm sure I read somewhere that pbenmetrazine produced a very pronounced rush when given via IV.....

I also read that 3FPM although producing a profound "rush" was terrible for the persons veins due to it's caustic nature. Purely based on how much it burns when snorted I can well believe that...

IV glucose is a bit like that too. Usually give it via an 18 gauge cannula (very large) and a slow injection. I doubt this would really be an option to those chowing to IV 3-FPM though.....

 

[breakcorefiend]

tbh if it gets to the point where you're IV'ing 3fpm you need to have a look at yourself and think bout the choices you are making in life

 

[kingme]

i dont think any rush is worth permanent body damage... vasculitis some report doesnt sound too cool either....

 

[BigG]

Yeah theres some rocket scientist who posts over in OD who regularly shoots 500mg at once!!!

The fella is a proper moron though and posts some crazy shit...

What bothers me though isnt so much what he's doing to himself (shooting 3FPM, shooting loperamide pills etc.) but some of the stupid shit he posts as "advice".....
I.e. he once posted that as long as you are some speed or 3F to your heroin shot then it's IMPOSSIBLE to od as the speed will counteract any respiratory depression!!

I mean what if some young kid rears that and actually believes it?

Like most posts over there though reporting it does fuck all and they're never UA'd....

Call someone a cunt though and expect a ban.....it's just bizzare

 

[Shambles]

... I just can't see why it would be worth people manufacturing 3-FPM illicitly.......

3-FPM is only banned in the UK. It's still being sold perfectly legally outside of the UK and I'm sure there will be folks buying from overseas to sell locally.

In far more interesting (albeit off-topic) news, MXE appears to be starting to show up on the black market from illicit production. Anything that is truly popular will turn up on the market sooner or later.

 

[BigG]

3-FPM is only banned in the UK. It's still being sold perfectly legally outside of the UK and I'm sure there will be folks buying from overseas to sell locally.

In far more interesting (albeit off-topic) news, MXE appears to be starting to show up on the black market from illicit production. Anything that is truly popular will turn up on the market sooner or later.

l

Is MXE purely a ketamine derivative? Does it have any medical uses as a dissociative anesthetic used in emergency medicine and pre-hospital care to induce general anesthesia without respiratory depression in the way ketamine is used?

Or is it used purely for folk to get off their nut?....

 

[Shambles]

No current medical use but sure I saw something in Sprout's Academia thread about it being investigated for depression - something there is excellent anecdotal evidence for and I can wholeheartedly confirm.