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Terry M's Essential Election

steewith2ees

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Back to the polling stations on the 8th June. Don't even know where to start on this shit. In my narrow minded world view it's just a wagging of the dog to make us forget about that bullshit drugs law she fast tracked through the houses this time last year.
 
It is clear that the only reason they're having an election is because Labour are seen as politically weak right now, and articles like this are appearing in the media:

Only 45% of Labour voters think Corbyn would be best PM: poll

Research by Opinium also suggests the Conservatives are the most trusted party on all major issues except the NHS.

Fewer than half of Labour voters think Jeremy Corbyn would be the best prime minister, according to a poll for the Observer that finds the Conservatives remain the most trusted party on all key issues except the NHS.

Research by Opinium suggests that given a two-way choice between Corbyn and Theresa May, 14% of voters would choose the Labour leader, compared with 47% for the prime minister. Among Labour voters asked the question, 45% said they would like to see Corbyn in No 10.

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Labour are clearly divided and everybody knows it. Throw an election in a time of uncertainty and a lot of people will freak out and take the safe bet.
 
Yeah it seems that way, they were only talking up the massive lead in the polls this morning (something like 20 points?) on 5Live a few hours before the announcement so she is obviously using the momentum to smash it, which seems like a fairly safe bet at this point.

It will be interesting to see if any determined 'remainers' will vote along partisan lines though in terms of spannering the Brexit. I'm sure that London, as a whole, voted to remain in the referendum.
 
Meh, count me out. I've already voted once this century, and I fuckin lost. Can't be arsed with all the effort... :)
 
^Yip, me too Fubar. Not remotely interested in taking part in the whole debacle. There is very little difference between labour and conservatives, and I have no desire to take part in their little faux-democratic games.

Parliament is just a ridiculous pantomime which I actually can't quite fathom being remotely real, let alone comprehend being taken seriously or, god forbid, actually fucking influencing people.

I'll just continue showing people that they can peak behind the curtain and see it for what it is.
 
Just when you think it can't possibly get any more fucked-up .....

Opposition to Theresa May is fragmentated. There is the Labour party (who, if you listen to the media, are apparently doing really badly under Jeremy Corbyn -- although a lot of ordinary people do actually seem to want him as PM). There are the Lib Dems (who are the only party actually pledging to attempt to reverse Article 50 -- although they ill-advisedly got into bed with dirty pigs seven years ago, and still haven't managed to get rid of the stink of shit). And there are the Greens (most of whose policies everyone thinks are wonderful, until they find out whose policies they are).

Now, for the benefit of our Continental cousins, British elections work on a "first past the post" system; which means you just have to get one more vote than everybody else in one single round of polling. So every vote for anyone except the eventual winner is wasted, as is every vote for the eventual winner above the magic figure. If, out of 10000 people, just 100 vote for minority parties, then that leaves anybody else needing only 2476 votes (assuming four candidates; 3301 with three, 1981 with five) to win. With 7524 (6699; 8019) votes against them. And, since people tend to care more about the little things because they just naturally assume everyone feels the same as them about the big things, the vote gets split to many ways. The Nasty Party get in by default because too many people refused to believe anyone would actually vote for them.

If the Greens play this right, they could gather some serious support for themselves, just from voters who think what the hell, may as well -- after all, there's no way they could be worse than any of the others. All they have to do next, is not repeat exactly what happened to someone else, seven years ago .....

So we have Labour saying only they can beat the Tories, the Lib Dems saying only they can reverse Article 50 (but -- breaking news -- they sound like they might have just blown the LGBT gig. Seriously, guys, how hard is it just to keep your damn trap shut?), the Greens saying everyone can have a pony and you'll wish you hadn't sold it, when the cost of driving goes up to pay for it, against the Tories. And a hefty dose of vote fatigue, what with the Scottish Independence Referendum, the 2015 General Election, the Brexit referendum, the Local Elections in May. The Conservatives are basically going to asset-strip the country and leave the carcass to rot. Under their new leader, whoever that may be, they will proceed to dismantle the welfare state, privatise the NHS and the education system, then it's got to be either the fire brigade or the police next. After all, there should be exciting opportunities for partnerships with insurance companies, and competition will allow prices to be inflated because the supply of customers is fixed, and they have all got to pay one of you drive down prices. As for Brexit, the rest of Europe are most probably going to agree to give us even better trade deals than when we were members of the EU impose punitive trade tariffs against us, as a warning to any other nation thinking of leaving; and much of the rest of the world, who were taking advantage of our own easy trade links with Europe, will suddenly start revising (as they always say on the buses; REVISED FARES IN OPERATION, they are never honest about it, they've even stopped referring to us as passengers and demoted us to mere customers. Thank you for travelling with Bloggs' Buses, like you had any choice in the matter since none of the other bus companies even cover the same route) their prices.

Things are about to get very fucked up indeed .....
 
May used to be one of the plain kids in the playground. She always wanted to be loved and wanted.

She spent her days following one of the popular kids about but always secretly envied others succes, confidence and their ability to be liked. She desperately wanted to be the most popular kid in the school. She worked hard brown nosed and agreed to stuff she didn't agree to and do stuff that she didn't want to

Then one sunny day it all fell into place her dream came true. But dreams never last. It was a shallow feeling to be made the most popular person because nonone else wanted to be.

Then it got worse some other kids from another class didn't like May. She had to come up with a way she could prove to everyone she was the most popular kid in the school and everyone loved her

Her plan simple find out if she was the most popular kid in the school by asking everyone to tell her. If it was her she could then live happily ever after with the knowledge she was loved and wanted.

The end
 
I voted in the NI Assembly elections back in March. Looks like I'll have to make that vote a second time and also a Westminster election.

Actually quite interested in the results of a second Assembly election. It seems like attrition is the strategy.
 
Me as well Don Luigi, might as well have them on the same day to cut costs. But where I live no one I ever vote for gets in! Stormont, Westminster and EU. I gave up on the "fake news" years ago and get my local info on facebook from LAD and so on.
 
You know what the only thing is that could possibly make things any worse, in these times of Constitutional Crisis?

An even bigger Constitutional Crisis.

If ..... well ..... If the ..... er ..... If the title of a certain album by a certain 1980s pop group from Manchester were to ..... er ..... come true, and I'm absolutely not saying that with any thoughts about me or anyone else doing anything to ..... er ..... help it happen, even although I know that's exactly what anybody would say if they wanted someone to do it ..... Anyway. If ..... you know ..... Well, it would ..... It would rather put a crimp in things ..... A spanner in the works .....
 
You know what the only thing is that could possibly make things any worse, in these times of Constitutional Crisis?

An even bigger Constitutional Crisis.

If ..... well ..... If the ..... er ..... If the title of a certain album by a certain 1980s pop group from Manchester were to ..... er ..... come true, and I'm absolutely not saying that with any thoughts about me or anyone else doing anything to ..... er ..... help it happen, even although I know that's exactly what anybody would say if they wanted someone to do it ..... Anyway. If ..... you know ..... Well, it would ..... It would rather put a crimp in things ..... A spanner in the works .....

Meat is Murder? I don't get it... ;)
 
Just had a chat on Twitter with an angry Frenchman (not to imply that there isn't any other sort) who was basically saying that Article 50 was very likely unstoppable now it was in motion. The only way of reversing the damage would require the UK to petition the European Court of Justice, and the verdict would not necessarily be in favour of stopping Brexit. In fact, he thought it highly unlikely.

I might just have to disguise myself as a boy (it will be quicker than trying to get Simon's passport altered; I'll have to get new, forged documents anyway, once I get there, so I'll just get them as myself) and escape to France .....
 
I have lost all faith in democracy, every office poll i've ever voted in since I was 18, local, general and referendum (Scotland, AV and Brexit) I have lost every single time, literally every time even the damn local elections none of my candidates have ever been selected and I vote for mainstream ones too. I have never voted for a winning candidate, so if anyone wants to place a bet at the bookies for a 100% track record of predicting losers by my vote I'm probably voting for Corbyn, though may swich to Lib-dems. All the same I feel completely unrepresented and that I have been my entire adult life.

Even though quite frankly I don't agree with the politics of any major party, I can';t understand why anyone would ever vote for the Conservative party, they're just the most obnoxious patronising contrary pricks we've ever had at the moment.

Theresa May in particular has several extremely bad defects (that even Cameron and Osborne didn't have) as a politian. These are:

in Moral crusades, she suppressed a report on Drugs a few years ago which pointed out the 1972 Misuse of Drugs Act is severly flawed and causes more harm and higher levels of drug use. She is also planning a crackdown on online pornography (whatever that means), she put through the snoopers charter.. It seems that the conservative concept of "Freedom" is more along what Kelly-anne Conway would call "Alternative Freedom".

Fuck Theresa May, Fuck the Conservatives, Fuck Jeremy Corbyn and his flacid party, These days with modern tech our society should all be run by a big computer and everyone over 30 should be "dispatched" in the carousel.
 
^^ Julie, the Euro thingy dude said yesterday we could scrap Article 50 anytime a new UK government changes its mind.

Anyway, everyone register, and everyone vote. This nonsense about different parties not making a difference is utter tripe and part of the reason we end up with parties not risking rocking the boat.

Corbyn is nothing like May, in the same way that Attlee (NHS, welfare state, full employment etc) was nothing like Churchill ('let them eat dust').
 
^^ Julie, the Euro thingy dude said yesterday we could scrap Article 50 anytime a new UK government changes its mind.

Anyway, everyone register, and everyone vote. This nonsense about different parties not making a difference is utter tripe and part of the reason we end up with parties not risking rocking the boat.

Corbyn is nothing like May, in the same way that Attlee (NHS, welfare state, full employment etc) was nothing like Churchill ('let them eat dust').

I work for a Notary Public and I've made 8 appointments in the past week for people applying for Irish passports, a lot of people are already jumping ship!
 
I'd get an extra Euro passport if I could too. No connections to anyone outside the UK tho :\
 
The Treaty of Lisbon (should I spell that "Lisbõa", to really piss the Brexit brigade off?) is not clear on backing down after triggering Article 50, and does not state definitively whether or not it is reversible. And of course, it has never been tested in real life before. It was mainly put there for show, just so that David Cameron could point to it and say he had made sure we could get out of the EU in future if we wanted to -- unfortunately, he managed to bollox up the referendum, causing a surge in support for LEAVE on the basis, not of anything to do with the real issues, but of who was supporting REMAIN, and consequentially ended up with a LEAVE majority. This scenario was considered too unlikely, and thus was totally un-planned-for. So the law is not clear as to whether or not we can change our minds and stay in after all; and now, the ultimate decision might have to be made by the European Court of Justice, if there is any disagreement.

What has been offered so far is a gesture of goodwill, an acceptance that nobody would object and say "No, you have made your bed, and so now you must lie in it" if a future UK Prime Minister were to ask to halt the Brexit negotiations and return to the old days. Goodwill can evaporate faster than acetone in a shallow dish on a hot day, particularly if allowing the UK to remain were somehow to become less politically expedient.

Another (possibly unintentional, but politically useful nonetheless) effect of the Article 50 débâcle is that any other EU member states that might have been thinking about flouncing out in their own hissy fits are going to be dissuaded, whatever ends up happening to the UK. If we press ahead with leaving, we can be slapped with trade sanctions; or if we come back, it will be in disgrace and humiliation, ha ha, you couldn't last five minutes all by yourself, come back to mummy.
 
...to make us forget about that bullshit drugs law she fast tracked through the houses this time last year.
We'll never forget that, but they are all the same. 'Plant Food' was outlawed by Labour's Alan Johnson just before the 2010 election. Druggies are, traditionally, a soft target: we are unpopular with a large number of influential voters, can't complain openly and are against the law most of the time anyway. Anti-drugs laws are easily approved and a surefire way to get more votes.

Calling for an early snap election Mrs May wants to seize the moment, obviously. There's no way the Conservative Party is not going to win if things stay as they are now and doesn't she know it.
 
I'm starting to have second thoughts about this malarkey now - I might actually make the effort to vote, against the Tories. I don't usually bother with elections as they're all cunts and I'm not wealthy enough for most of their policies to make any significant difference to my life one way or another. However, Theresa May is a cunt of the highest order who deserves as much opposition as possible. Also, she's obviously a narcissist - have you noticed that the PSA was enforced in May? As will be the new tobacco laws and the general election - either that, or she's just so fuckin stupid that it's an easy way for her to remember what's going on.

My problem is, I haven't got a clue who to vote for. Any suggestions? Please provide a valid argument for your case. ;)
 
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