Your younger and well pumping out allot more test naturally so adding more just adds more...remember it is NOT anabolic very much ---trust me on that ! Did them all and Primo Bolin and D -Ball will add allot of mass in muscles. Actually Methyl Testosterone is not that bad and has a rating of about 5. 10 to 12 being most anabolic. Equipoise will definitely boost but get terrible joint pains for few weeks. But loved it because you can load up allot of it! So many good ones out there but all of them absolutely will boost up testosterone big time without even taking plain old Test injections or pills. But did them all and allot from 1990s to 2018. Best to cycle few months one few months off, to be safe as it puts allot of load on kidneys and liver. Plus need to cut too. Went from 190 lbs. to 265 lbs. in one year.... so who ever in the world says they don't work is full of sh## and jealous. Good ones work great!So I am in my mid 30's and have had this long-standing desire to inject maybe 200mg(?) or so of some testosterone ester in my muscle once a week.
The question is, what do I hope to gain? I have naturally high testosterone and now even in my mid 30s i test in the high 800's low 900's. When i was younger I would regular test above the reference range and get an "H" next to the number (ie, "high" or abnormal). Granted I'm less aware my free testosterone looks like. And i'm not bald so it looks like my 5-alpha-reductase doesn't convert to it to the more anabolic DHT.
Still I put on muscle quickly, have very unusual strength for my weight and people have accused me of being on steroids because of my delts. * note the gyno isnt from steroids but from high dose methadone from years before that won't go away
Even that was on heavy amounts of opioids, and i have no interest in getting bigger than that. Wouldnt mind maybe being that size and leaner, but not trying to get bigger. It is too much work and the heavy weights really fucks with my joints. I partially tore the tendon connecting my elbow to my tricep when i was benching and am afraid of making it worse by benching much more than two plates these days anyhow (i used to be able to do two plates for 16 reps on the flat bench and well over 20 on the decline, i used to be a bench press addict).
Point is im not interested in getting bigger -- although without question I would lift more if i were injecting testosterone, i would take advantage of it, just smarter not heavier, I'm done with lifting heavy, in fact i see no benefit of getting anywhere beyond my 5 RM. Would be nice to get a good lean rip going though, that seems bad ass. But really my main interest isnt that (i could get a lean ripped physique if i paid attention to my diet), my main interest in adding testosterone is more for cognitive and motivation improvements.
Anyone have information on the gains and benefits (and downsides) in that regard? Ie what one gains in terms of cognition, drive, motivation, mood etc and what one gives up (like anxiety, physical side-effects etc). Im talking strictly about testosterone, intramuscular at maybe 125 to 250mg a week. My concern is that it will just permanently shut me down/induce exogenous testosterone dependency when i technically have a good thing going with my high testosterone (and the benefit of strength yet lack of hair loss). On the flip side, i wonder what i missing from not having true supraphysiological testosterone levels?
Haha sorry, but 5-alpha-reductase deficiency is an intersex condition, and you'd know it if you had it, because you'd have been born with completely or mostly female - appearing genitals. Your testosterone to dihydrotestosterone conversion is fine ; but not every man's follicles are equally sensitive to it. That has genetic factors, for instance members of certain ethnicities are far less likely on average to bald than others.
If you already have what you call abnormally high T levels, ffs don't pump more into yourself! Your body already has as much as it can handle and you will have a heightened risk of heart attack, stroke and impotence. Oh and the higher the testosterone levels in a man, the more of it converts to oestrogen via aromatase.
True, but that is fine, we need a good ratio of Testosterone to Estradiol.
We are not discussing the use of steroids and Test specifically in a bodybuilding context were these would be a concern.
It could be of benefit to you. The shortcoming of many clinicians when it comes to hormone replacement is treating numbers, not symptoms. You could be fine on paper but still have deficiency symptoms that require more elevated testosterone to remedy. I know I feel best when total T is around 800-1000. 500-800 I feel decent. Below 500 for longer periods and I feel more lethargic.
you have done well to get to that stage.So I am in my mid 30's and have had this long-standing desire to inject maybe 200mg(?) or so of some testosterone ester in my muscle once a week.
The question is, what do I hope to gain? I have naturally high testosterone and now even in my mid 30s i test in the high 800's low 900's. When i was younger I would regular test above the reference range and get an "H" next to the number (ie, "high" or abnormal). Granted I'm less aware my free testosterone looks like. And i'm not bald so it looks like my 5-alpha-reductase doesn't convert to it to the more anabolic DHT.
Still I put on muscle quickly, have very unusual strength for my weight and people have accused me of being on steroids because of my delts. * note the gyno isnt from steroids but from high dose methadone from years before that won't go away
Even that was on heavy amounts of opioids, and i have no interest in getting bigger than that. Wouldnt mind maybe being that size and leaner, but not trying to get bigger. It is too much work and the heavy weights really fucks with my joints. I partially tore the tendon connecting my elbow to my tricep when i was benching and am afraid of making it worse by benching much more than two plates these days anyhow (i used to be able to do two plates for 16 reps on the flat bench and well over 20 on the decline, i used to be a bench press addict).
Point is im not interested in getting bigger -- although without question I would lift more if i were injecting testosterone, i would take advantage of it, just smarter not heavier, I'm done with lifting heavy, in fact i see no benefit of getting anywhere beyond my 5 RM. Would be nice to get a good lean rip going though, that seems bad ass. But really my main interest isnt that (i could get a lean ripped physique if i paid attention to my diet), my main interest in adding testosterone is more for cognitive and motivation improvements.
Anyone have information on the gains and benefits (and downsides) in that regard? Ie what one gains in terms of cognition, drive, motivation, mood etc and what one gives up (like anxiety, physical side-effects etc). Im talking strictly about testosterone, intramuscular at maybe 125 to 250mg a week. My concern is that it will just permanently shut me down/induce exogenous testosterone dependency when i technically have a good thing going with my high testosterone (and the benefit of strength yet lack of hair loss). On the flip side, i wonder what i missing from not having true supraphysiological testosterone levels?
As for the effects on your prostate, I think PSA (prostate-specific antigen) is something you are supposed to meassure before you start and as you go along. Generally, by my understanding, the risk of serious / potentially lethal side effects with TRT (assuming reasonable dosages) is way overblown. There is however a real risk of minor (or not so minor, depending on how you feel about it) cosmetic issues (acne, hair loss), having a hard time getting "dialed in", and the whole thing potentially not having the effect one was hoping for. Also, of course, infertifility, and in some cases ED / loss of libido, though generally the opposite tends to be the case.
My impression was that the US is probably one of the easiest countries in the world to get a TRT prescription in. Don't you guys have like a gazillion TRT clinics? Ideally, you would want to find one that is shady enough to prescribe you TRT despite your levels being ok, but also reputable enough to actually be of help in guiding you along the whole process, explaining your blood markers, helping you get dialed in, etc. One company with a lot of hype behind it is Marek health, but that's because a major influencer in this space (Derek from MPMD) is pushing for it. Dunno if they are actually good, but if not them, then some other clinic - you certainly have a lot of options in the US.
Yeah trt clinics are a dime a dozen here now. I got like 3 reputable ones within a 30 minute drive.
themenshealthclinic.co.uk
