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Opioids So I have a question,is the street powder fentanyl the same as the patches?

kendramichelle

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I'm really curious about this...because of the epidemic of the powder...is it the same as patches
 
No, this is a common misconception.

Street fent is not actually fentanyl, it can be one of many different fentanyl like analogs, or different RC opioids.

Pharmaceutical fentanyl is a better high than the shitty fentalogs.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
No, this is a common misconception.

Street fent is not actually fentanyl, it can be one of many different fentanyl like analogs, or different RC opioids.

Pharmaceutical fentanyl is a better high than the shitty fentalogs.
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Not trying to be the "...well, actually..." guy here but a large majority of the fentanyl found on the street actually is fentanyl itself, and is frequently (though not always) the only form of fentanyl found in these street products (such as dirty 30's/blues and powder forms):

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Illicit Non-Pharmaceutical Fentanyl and Its Analogs: A Short Review of Literature

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

(One can also scroll through the samples on drugsdata.org and you'll see a similar story.)

That said, these products are still very different from pharmaceutical fentanyl, and even when only fentanyl is found, it is often found alongside an unreacted precursor, or some active contaminants (like xylazine). The pills (blues) seem to be somewhat less likely to have fentanyl analogs and xylazine than the powders (which are particularly sketchy since they are more subject to additional contamination at many points along the chain). But the pills also can have all kinds of random shit in them too.

So yeah it's hard to equate street fentanyl with pharmaceutical fentanyl, but oftentimes they do actually contain fentanyl much like the kind found in pharmaceutical products (but very rarely, is it alone, containing at minimum some synthesis contaminants along with that fentanyl).
 
negrogesic said:
Not trying to be the "...well, actually..." guy here but, a large majority of the fentanyl found on the street actually is fentanyl, and is frequently (though not always) the only form of fentanyl found in these street products (such as dirty 30's/blues and powder forms).

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Illicit Non-Pharmaceutical Fentanyl and Its Analogs: A Short Review of Literature

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That said, these products are still very different from pharmaceutical fentanyl, and even when only fentanyl is found, it is often found alongside an unreacted precursor, or some active contaminants (like xylazine). The pills (blues) seem to be somewhat less likely to have fentanyl analogs and xylazine than the powders (which are particularly sketchy since they are more subject to additional contamination at many points along the chain). But the pills also can have all kinds of random shit in them too.

So yeah it's hard to equate street fentanyl with pharmaceutical fentanyl, but oftentimes they do actually contain fentanyl much like the kind found in pharmaceutical products (but very rarely, is it alone, containing at minimum some synthesis contaminants along with that fentanyl).
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Thanks for clarifying, I'm actually surprised it is found at all on the street.

There were some things I've read, but can't recall, which led me to think that.

I've had pharma fentanyl, and street fentadope/30s (most of which I knew contained nothing but fent-X), and the two have always felt so drastically different.

Without tolerance pharma fent was pleasurable, whereas all the street fent I've done was profoundly dysphoric and unpleasant (until tolerance was achieved, then it was just a subpar but strong opioid).

I remember my first snort of pressed m30s did nothing but make me dizzy, profusely sweat, puke, wiggly eyes... zero euphoria or nod. Not an overdose, from 1/8th of a single pill.... after a few days, I started getting actual opioid type effects, but just felt like an empty nod and there was almost zero euphoria.
 
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I don’t judge if anyone on here uses and loves fentanyl but it’s really sad and sucks how it’s messed with most recreational drugs and experimenting
 
The pharmaceutical stuff definitely feels better
I used to also get this good fent powder from the dark web & my friend & I would mix it into nasal spray bottles. The nasal spray bottle thing was nice but I did all this for a month 7 years ago before all this street fent took over everything.
But I’m not a fan cuz it almost killed me & i my DOC was heroin and now it’s hard to find real h. But the good side of it is that I got sober
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Thanks for clarifying, I'm actually surprised it is found at all on the street.

There were some things I've read, but can't recall, which led me to think that.

I've had pharma fentanyl, and street fentadope/30s (most of which I knew contained nothing but fent-X), and the two have always felt so drastically different.

Without tolerance pharma fent was pleasurable, whereas all the street fent I've done was profoundly dysphoric and unpleasant (until tolerance was achieved, then it was just a subpar but strong opioid).

I remember my first snort of pressed m30s did nothing but make me dizzy, profusely sweat, puke, wiggly eyes... zero euphoria or nod. Not an overdose, from 1/8th of a single pill.... after a few days, I started getting actual opioid type effects, but just felt like an empty nod and there was almost zero euphoria.
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I've done alot of pharmaceutical grade fentanyl, but never taken a dirty 30 or street fentanyl. But not because i'm above it. Street fentanyl just wasn't a thing back when I was a heavy opioid user.

Even though I rarely use opioids these days, if I had a dirty 30 right now I'd probably take a piece (most likely would smoke it?) just out of curiosity. But my concern wouldn't be fentanyl analogs but rather xylazine. Seems like xylazine would ruin the experience, not a fan of drugs from that class (like clonidine, for instance).
 
Snafu in the Void said:
No, this is a common misconception.

Street fent is not actually fentanyl, it can be one of many different fentanyl like analogs, or different RC opioids.

Pharmaceutical fentanyl is a better high than the shitty fentalogs.
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True. I'm sure there is some straight Fentanyl out on the street. Who knows though? It's largely based upon the means of the people making the drugs. It depends upon their skill, precursors and a laboratory of some kind. We've seen a lot of analogs of Fentanyl out on the street. 3-Methylfentanyl, Carfentanil etc. There are other classes in play though, namely the -nitazenes. These are every bit as potent and dangerous as Fentanyl.

Besides that, much of the illicit Opioids on the street today contain Xylazine which is a dissociative anesthetic that can be added to the dope. It gives the drug a noticeable increase in potency for a cheap cost to the manufacturers. The powder on the street is far from the stuff found in pharmaceutical preparations. The only similarity is that they're both Opioids.
 
blazR said:
It really isn't. It is of course an anesthetic..

Sorry to nitpick
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It's all good. Nitpicking is welcome here. My commentary arises from the frequent comparison between Ketamine, a known dissociative-anesthetic and Xylazine. Many articles report their similar effects profile and practical interchangeability I'm practice.

Secondly, my opinion is informed by the actual effects of the drug Xylazine which no doubt we have all noticed. It seems that people who use Fentantl/Xylazine actually pads out and become completely dissociated from their mind and body following administration.

You could call this sedation or you could call it dissociation. I'm not so worried about the nomenclature so long as we all are describing the same thing.
 
It also should be mentioned the difference in dosage between the old matrix patches and these pressed blues, random powder etc... Those patches are weighed out in micrograms and to a specific point. I have heard of some of these street versions containing up to 2mg. Can be a very different ride if you do 1mg on a whim compared to say 500mcg. That does not negate all the analogs floating about. It has always felt the further you get away from the poppy the more euphoria is lost.

Jnowhere said:
I am sober from alcohol. I then had problems with benzos and Oxycodone and Morphine.
My question is, is regular street heroin as dead as the quaalude?
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Good question, I am sure there will be regional changes, but I too am very curious about this. Did the last great poppy harvest come and go before our eyes?
 
Are you sure you are not just high and a bit paranoid? Also you could type all this out in one post. Seems like you have some knowledge/insight to what is going on. I would be curious to hear a summation.
 
Keif' Richards said:
It's all good. Nitpicking is welcome here. My commentary arises from the frequent comparison between Ketamine, a known dissociative-anesthetic and Xylazine. Many articles report their similar effects profile and practical interchangeability I'm practice.
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Sorry to be so pedantic but while esketamine is primarily an NMDA antagonist (i.e. a dissociative), Arketamine is primarily a DRI.

I once had the opportunity to try arketamine and it's effects are closer to cocaine than anything else I can name. Now I cannot say how close or how good it is because just like cocaine, I abhored the effects. All I can tell you is that just like cocaine it gave me massive anxiety and put me in a bad mood. I don't mean I'm nasty to anyone else, I'm just in a bad mood with myself. I've had a line of coke about ten times in my life and so it wasn't one bad experience.

So while MANY people say how much they like K, MXE, DXM (& PCP relatives), the racemates i.e. 99.9% of what is on the street is an NMDA antagonist/DRI

Some people DO like esketamine. They seem able to obtain the medical form and generally they inject it.

But if everyone liked pure NMDA antagonists, why has dizocilpine remained a really obscure RC. I THINK it's still legal in most places and while I agree synthesis IS more complex, since it's legal, all of those RC places just bought it from specialist labs. It's so potent that it would easily fit onto blotters. If it COULD be a mass-market drug, I see no TECHNICAL reason why it could not be.
 
Keif' Richards said:
True. I'm sure there is some straight Fentanyl out on the street. Who knows though? It's largely based upon the means of the people making the drugs. It depends upon their skill, precursors and a laboratory of some kind. We've seen a lot of analogs of Fentanyl out on the street. 3-Methylfentanyl, Carfentanil etc. There are other classes in play though, namely the -nitazenes. These are every bit as potent and dangerous as Fentanyl.

Besides that, much of the illicit Opioids on the street today contain Xylazine which is a dissociative anesthetic that can be added to the dope. It gives the drug a noticeable increase in potency for a cheap cost to the manufacturers. The powder on the street is far from the stuff found in pharmaceutical preparations. The only similarity is that they're both Opioids.
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i wouldn't refer to it as a dissociative anesthetic - it's like clonidine, it's a blood pressure a2 agonist. (xylazine)
 
cdin said:
i wouldn't refer to it as a dissociative anesthetic - it's like clonidine, it's a blood pressure a2 agonist. (xylazine)
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Very true - Xylazine is regarded as an analogue of clonidine. Chemically they are very similar. I have no idea about it's subjective effects but I remember when another clonidine analogue, lofexidine was introduced in the UK to aid opioid withdrawal.. but it seems to have disappeared without trace.

α2A agonists do NOT sound much fun.
 
Jnowhere said:
My whole point, which was interrupted many times and the full version squashed, has actually scared me a little. If I am not free to express my opinion here, where can I ?
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Express your opinions all you want but try and do it it one or two posts....even if they are a bit longer. You deleted almost 15 one liners as " no good" and it was probably good but you had like 10 one liners in a row. No need to make posts that are just a few words and then make so many in succession.
 
Jnowhere said:
My posts are way too far above the heads of all the junkies on here. How did real smack disappear, Sad but I use to drink now have pill issues but am I the only one who sees the bigger picture or has every junkie accepted the terrible scourge that is fentanyl.
I guess trying to get people who are most affected to acknowledge and possibly trace the issue and possibly fight it is a waste of time.
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If that's the attitude you want to take that we are a bunch of losers I can maybe give you a time out so you don't have to deal with us for a couple of days.
 
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