And would this not, as I have stated, be a result of the way meth affects your body?
Whatever the mechanism, its still the meth to blame, period. You cant say "well its lack of sleep thats the TRUE CAUSE!" when the true cause of lack of sleep is the meth....
My entire point was that it is the METH, not the ROA. You have in essence, agreed to this, so I dont get why you're saying "I disagree". You yourself have stated it was because you got high on amps, not because you IV'd, or smoked, or snorted them.
What you've said is akin to saying "well its not the fault of the Mexican water that I became sick, its the microorganisms that just so happen to be in all mexican water. Yes in this scenario, all you need to do is get rid of that stuff, BUT, it is an innate part of all mexican water". Meaning you either 1) have to change it to such an extent that it would no longer qualify as "mexican water", or 2) you do not drink the mexican water. But to change it to such an extent by removing the very thing that makes it distinct is to admit that the very nature of the item in question is the cause. By removing the microorganism, you have changed it from "Mexican water" to regular water. To remove the lack of sleep caused by meth usage would be to, well, change the very nature of meth itself.
Or relating to drugs, what you've stated is akin to saying: "Its not heroins fault that I overdosed, its because of the respiratory depression that heroin causes that caused me to overdose." Like comeon, the two are inextricably bound to one another.
You cannot do something that causes certain effects, and then blame the effects for causing yet MORE suffering in place of the original cause of said effects.
The two, inherently, go hand in hand: meth, and the effects of meth. If there is a way to make sleep more possible on meth then you could argue its all the "lack of sleeps" fault, but lack of sleep is DIRECTLY CAUSED by methamphetamine usage.
Late to the party, but I wanted to say two things:
First of all, while sleep deprivation can be said to be a very
common effect of methamphetamine use, habitual or otherwise, it's not altogether uncommon for a user to be able to sleep while on the substance with great regularity. I've met more than a handful of people who report no problems going to sleep nightly in spite of daily use, and I myself can use meth daily (IV) and still sleep 5-7 hours a night without a problem. Of course, some responsibility is required (last shot by 5 at the latest if I want to sleep by 12 or 1, not exceeding a gram at the absolute most), but this does not detract from the experience for me, and I in fact find that a binge is much, much less hard on the body when I adhere to this. I will readily admit, however, that meth isn't my favorite. I could take it or leave it, but with the price and availability in my area I find myself on a few day binge at least once every 6 weeks. And I know I'm far from an anamoly in this regard, as I'm sure many here could attest.
My point, as I'm sure you've gathered, is that I don't think you can say that sleep deprivation is innate to meth use in the absolute, which is the core of the arguments you've made here, as far as I can see.
My second point is purely academic, and while I'm sure it will seem that I'm nitpicking, I mean no harm. You said, in your response to DooMMooD, that to blame the negative effects of meth usage on sleep deprivation rather than meth itself was wrong. While I've just stated that in my opinion the two are not always one and the same, I wanted to say that even were sleep deprivation and meth usage always synonymous, I would disagree with your assertion, though for clarity's sake I'll use your other examples, opiate overdosage and respiratory depression. You assert that one should not claim that the cause of a heroin OD is respiratory depression, but rather the heroin itself, it being the root of the effect. What you're saying is that any phenomenom cannot be said to be caused by something that is in and of itself merely a byproductive of a prior thing. By this logic, I can't say that my car accelerating is caused by injecting gas into the engine to induce the combustion process, because that combustion is just a product of my foot depressing the gas pedal. And since gasoline injection occurs
every time I push the gas pedal, it's implicit and as such we may only state that acceleration is caused by my foot on the pedal.
I think your reasoning was that blaming lack of sleep for skin problems is
misleading in this instance, rather than wrong, as it seems not to tell the whole story. And certainly, to improve skin health most people would tell you to stop smoking dope rather than advising you to stop staying up all the time, so I think this is what you were getting at. However, saying that it's
incorrect to blame sleep deprivation coinciding with meth usage for negative health effects is inaccurate. Misleading would have been a more accurate word here, because that statement obviously isn't false, just perhaps not entirely illuminating.
Sorry for the rant, I'm a sucker for logic/rationality discussion/contemplation and this was mostly me thinking aloud and being halfway spun, but presumptive statements are extremely dangerous and all too common for me. I'd encourage you to not be so quick to declare things right and wrong as most statements err on the side of subjective unless correctly framed. Only the sith deal in absolutes.
