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Broken74

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New here, coping with my boyfriend and his addiction. Recently a month and a half ago my bf informed me of a shocking reality. He had been main lining heroin for 2 weeks straight every 4/5 hrs. He came clean, with one bag left and in a pretty decent state of withdrawal. He was extremely honest so I was willing to stay, as I obviously love him and want what is best for him. He also had subx like 4/5 of them. I felt like he was wanting out of the cycle, and we struggled through a few days of him using subx and basically ruined our entire vacation, which I was of the mind set that it was worth it to see him a)be honest b) get clean.

Problem is, looking back idk that he wanted to be clean so much as he used too much the night before and wasn't going to make it through the weekend on left over supply. I mean he brought it with him and the subx. Once we got back home, it was like all a bad dream that never happened. No withdrawals, no more subx. Just magic. I'm not a drug user or abuser, but I've dealt with it. My brother was main lining oxy years ago and we nearly lost him. I've done tons of research on drug usage, in the efforts to learn about addiction and be a beacon of hope and support . I've also gone through it with my ex husband, only he was using completely different drugs, I divorced him due to it and it probably saved my sanity and my kids' future. Back to my point...

In the last 8 weeks, I'm continually seeing my bf nod off, badly. Drop things in a semi nod state of mind. I thought seriously he had overdosed twice, I've looked into purchasing narcan...but he insists im wasting the $200 bcuz he's not using. I cry and lay there counting his breaths at night when he nods out with that familiar gaping mouth and rolled up eyeballs, his body twitching from time to time. Now I'm losing sleep, bcuz I fear I have to watch over him or chance waking up next to him dead, which is an absolute nightmare.

Idk if he's back on the heroin, or what originally took him there... oxy. But after weeks of denial, he admits to some r-15's. I feel it's being down played. I've told him again and again, I don't want to judge him, I just want honesty. At this point I'm willing to accept the honesty, how much and how often so we can move forward and try to taper that down, but if he keeps denying it, he intends to keep using it. I tell myself not to accuse him, but it's so obvious. He knows I'm not going anywhere, at least not right now, if things got worse I can't say that I would stay. I'm just trying to be there for him, so he has someone he can come to when he is ready. He knows I won't think less of him or condescend him, but I'm feeling disrespected myself by the lies. I found a baggie with residue, bought a test kit and it was positive for heroin. This was a month after our return from the " moment of truth" when he came clean. He says it's left over from before. I say no. Recently this week he cut his arm with a chainsaw, so this week he probably need pain relief. I know he's been getting perc 10mg about 3-5 @a time and to me that's understandable bcuz of his tolerance level. But I think he's on more. So I went snooping.... found 3 subx in his wallet and the percs he was hoarding (that he swore he took!)...which means he was on something more (I knew it!!). He said he was nodding cuz it was late and he took 5 percs at once, but they were in his pocket so clearly he's on something else.

How do I know if he's back on the H or if it's oxy???

Also, idk if he's back to main lining. The vein on his bicep had 3 or 4 pin pricks last night. He's very clean, very good with i.v. so I've never seen an abcess. He says the pricks are old or possibly even from carrying things at work since he does physical labor.

Our sex life is non existent, I know it's from whatever form of opiates using. He would rather believe he has E.D. at the ripe age he's at and see a dr for cialisis.

In the last 2 weeks, he cut his arm with a chainsaw (maybe from nodding while working?), his truck is dented with no explanation other than he has no idea how, he had an expensive tool 'stolen' @ a red light, the pricks on his arm, the tension in his relationship with me over missing time (several hours every day), tension with his mother, the nodding off... yet I'm looking to much into things when I try to point out that things are spiraling out of control. He has a 'valid' excuse for everything, so if I point it out he throws that excuse up and says oh bcuz this happened now I'm using?! I just don't know how to help him anymore. The lies hurt even more cuz he knows I love him and will stand by him. Why can't he be honest and confide in me so I know what he's taking and how much. I really don't want his delivery method to be i.v. for several, obvious reasons. I also don't know how to tell if I'm going crazy and pushing him further into it or actually helping him see where it's taking him. Every time I tell myself to ride it out not bring it up, something really crazy or scary ends up happening or just something so obvious....and we are back on the same discussion. His mother is a huge enabler and keeps dumping money on him for every excuse in the book and she's very judgemental and has a better than tho attitude. I feel like going to her, she would a) find a way to say it's my fault-she basically blames everything on me instead of her cherished son and...b) if she listened at all wold just put him in the streets and he would go further into his cycle. But she just gives him endless amounts of money for a truck, tools, tires, saws, repairs ... it never stops. Then he suddenly leaves to buy his newest toy and comes back in an EXCELLENT mood after he was feeling down earlier all day.

I guess I just don't know how to begin to help him. And no I'm not ready to leave for all the replies I can already sense coming my way. I believe in giving something 100% my all when I love someone. At the point that I know I've done that, if things are only worse, I will know and do what is best for my own sanity. But right now, I don't want to leave him. I want to be there when he comes around. I want him to have a source to go to. I know he can never turn to his mother. And I know he knows that too.
 
Hi there. You will find help here and it might be a good idea to get him to look on bl for help too mate
 
Welcome to the site,

I have moved your post over to our Sex Love and relationship section where I feel you may get more replies and help from people who have gone or are going through a similar problem.
 
Thank you, I honestly searched and searched but had no idea where it would be best posted. I appreciate it!
 
Hi there. You will find help here and it might be a good idea to get him to look on bl for help too mate
I've tried directing him to different sites, reading articles or blogs to him. He just comes across exhausted of me not believing him. I've even taken video of him while he has nodded out, in effort that he can see what I am witnessing and understand why I don't believe him. And possibly see what it does to him, so he can see for himself that's not what he wants for his life. He refuses to watch them.
 
It's really difficult Broken74, not something that I could particularly help with but as it's such a fantastic post that I can personally identify with I found it impossible not to respond. The similarities to my own experiences are of course, down to the fact that I have been the partner with the problem, and while I cannot make any judgement with regards to the honesty of someone I do not know, once I had 'come clean' with the world I turned into the biggest liar imaginable, mainly through omission rather than telling direct porkies, but with the same intent, to attempt to justify and totally downplay my pathetic attempts at secreting my heroin use.

I ended up becoming twisted up in my own bullshit, getting away with using scot free on many occasions while being - at the time- completely insulted when accused of using during periods when I genuinely was not. Despite this, it was never my deliberate intention to deceive and undermine my partner, it's just a mid point of developing ones honesty while still trying to both have your cake and eat it as well.

Things were a little easier for me through circumstance however, as my partner was a heavy drug user and a violent drunk and in the end I was able to deflect what was genuine criticism of my behaviour as it was being flung at me between fists from a hypocrite, who I still love but feel will never have the insight I have now - as I have been completely ostracised from a peer group who's overall behaviour was probably much worse than mine, but was acceptable as it did not involve dependency on the 'wrong' drug. However, in my opinion all of this now amounts to too little far too late, as I do not believe that I ever will have the right to a partner ever again as despite what amends I may now make no one will ever trust me again.

I think that it is wonderful and so loving to see the effort that you are making with this - please do not give up on him just yet, as he needs you now more than ever - but I also have to admire your patience by so positively addressing an issue you have had to suffer through before, which I understand HAS to be limited in the medium to long term if you do not want to spend the rest of your time together just banging your head against a brick wall. He sounds like a good guy who is probably still processing a lot of how to present himself in a similar fashion to how I had to develop this aspect of my personality - and you sound like the best bet he has at the moment for a real and rewarding future.

Again while I can only empathise rather than make absolute statements that may be of genuine help, I really feel for you both and just hope that he has enough time to at least reach out and meet you in the middle somewhere for starters, before you inevitably and sadly have to either move on or at least get him to a point where he can engage with a higher agency of any concept. Time should inevitably bring him some wisdom of opportunity but I 'absolutely have to state' (the hypocrisy has worn off a little I suppose.. ) that you may not be able to indefinitely use all of yours while waiting...

Good luck and love to you and your family, I hope that this can all come good for you at some point but regardless of the outcome rest assured that we will be here for you and anyone affected by this, even if just as an outlet to vent.

Stee x
 
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Thanks for your input Stee, I know it won't be an overnight thing...I do want progress. He truly is a good guy, and I know this is so not who he is, as much as a path he is on. I try not to take the lies and deceit personal, because I've researched so much on the subject that when I speak about it to others, they can't believe I've never been a user. Often times having even more knowledge than a long term user. He wants out , I see it. He just won't admit it. For instance, yesterday he was trying to find a way to fire his helper (I've known that he is a major player in my bf using daily) that he has always said is straight and clean. He wants to free himself from the connections, but at the same time he's trying on his own and I think it would be easier if he would confide. We could devise plans together and have accountability.

Plus if he doesn't confide, isn't that a sly way to always leaving that for ajar?
 
The good thing is that it sounds like your both stuck into the same book, just not the page, and until you both are then, perhaps inevitably, he may continue to try and maintain a 'safe space' in his head so that he is not completely shutting and locking the door on his own use. This may not sound like a healthy psychological aspect for either of you to work from, but from my own experiences this does not necessarily mean that he will utilise each and every opportunity to do so. If he is trying to curb his opportunity to use in other ways (such as disengaging with his colleague) than that is an extremely positive sign and your continued patience may give him a genuine route to 'roll up' his opiate use in a systematic fashion. It's a boring, predictable and worn out phrase, 'one day at a time', but it is trotted out continuously for a reason - sometimes it's just so fucking difficult to get your head around the concept that you will never ever be able to use again, but short term incentives to put off use for a certain period are often the starting point onto which one can build major changes that stick. As I'm sure you are aware though, it is also a way to avoid / procrastinate about making positive permanent decisions and this way of thinking is at least as equally responsible for becoming stuck in the 'revolving door' of the cycle of change as it is for the basis of starting genuine forward momentum.

It can go either way, but that is while you stick with it, as it can easily end up just going one way if you don't. As I said, I know that while your commitment to this sounds fantastic it cannot be held indefinitely, but the longer you do, the more likely it is that he will grow in confidence to confide (while at the same time, it could go the the other way still) but where there is life their is always opportunity, and at the very least, to end my tirade of pop psychology - you sound that your glass is half full as a pose to 50% empty x.
 
Stees,
What about an opiate user dealing with legitimate pain...i.e. cutting his arm with a chainsaw? How does an opiate abuser handle circumstances like this?
 
As you have probably guessed, often opiates :(

It's a bit of a deal breaker that one, it's still one excuse I would use, to use :(

With regards to this specific injury though I would be just as concerned about the reasons for the accident, if they are what you suspect... he could end up in bigger trouble if he is using while operating dangerous / heavy equipment or (without the need to add....) - driving xx
 
As you have probably guessed, often opiates :(

It's a bit of a deal breaker that one, it's still one excuse I would use, to use :(

With regards to this specific injury though I would be just as concerned about the reasons for the accident, if they are what you suspect... he could end up in bigger trouble if he is using while operating dangerous / heavy equipment or (without the need to add....) - driving xx

And of course they are....I can most definitely see that as being the culprit.

It's really refreshing hearing from "the other side" in an honest perspective. It means a lot.
 
As an update... I "think" we have had 2 days sober.... I don't see the vampire eyes. That's what I call it when his eyes are pinned. And oddly enough, I can sense a change in his voice when he uses, for 2 days his voice sounds normal.
 
Not so sober last night. I don't know what or how much was administered but the effects were pretty bad, so I'm assuming it was alot. I think he was annoyed that I couldn't just let him"be high"&enjoy it. 50 seconds the longest I counted of him not breathing, then u huge large breath and regular breathing commenced after I kept shuffling him around and moving his jaw and face.

50 sec is a long time . I started thinking about swimming underwater and how long I can hold my breath and at what point it would become difficult. 50 sec is too long. I mentally went through CPR steps. My brother in law died in February in his sleep. That fentanyl patch was the official autopsy results. His wife woke up next to him not breathing. It was prescribed to her, he had never taken it before. I don't think you are supposed to sleep with those patches on. Anyways, I can't deal with waking up next to someone not breathing, so he can be mad at me for waking him at odd hours, but when I start to count long periods of no breathing, I can't sit by idly and hope for the best
 
wow. so how is he going to change and what will this do to you?

what is your plan? this cant carry on- it will affect you badly in the head always wondering if he is going into respiratory depression

its obvious he is using and there are loads of red flags. i would have to bring it up with him and put out an ultimatum.
 
I don't have a fully loaded plan of attack. I think I'm just taking it day by day until things move in the right direction with him or until I feel I've exhausted myself to the point of emotional bankruptcy.

After last night's episode, this morning his words on his way to work were "I know I have a problem, I'm going to deal with it, im trying" ... so all hope isn't lost with him. I truly KNOW that he doesn't want to stay this way, as much as he's very stuck in the cycle. And knowing him and how the perception others have of him is vitally important in his eyes...I think he hides it out of shame along with a way to continue using.

I might be better off giving myself an ultimatum with a timeline. Im not a fan of imposing ultimatums on others, if he only does it for reason "x" & then gets the desired result, what's to keep him for wandering back there. Im really wanting him to make the decision on his own, even if that means I influence that decision with calling things as I see them and offering loving advice/support in the meantime. None of this helps me at night when I'm afraid to sleep and counting breaths. I think he's shooting, that vein is looking kind of weak on his bicep.
 
If he's injecting it shouldn't be too difficult to spot. I have historically smoked > 90% of my heroin and do not inject regularly but still have blatant tracked marks across both forearms. It's not a hard and fast rule, but occasionally the new appearance of chunky, healthy LOOKING visible veins is a sign of IV drug use, as the blood starts to use and inflate the diameter of new routes it uses to take through parts of ones body due to the temporary / permanent damage caused to others through their use for this ROA.

I know I've been playing devils advocate regarding what positives you can do with this but if you are spending every night stressed out of your mind due to possible respiratory depression then you really need to start thinking about how long you can live like that.....
 
If he's injecting it shouldn't be too difficult to spot. I have historically smoked > 90% of my heroin and do not inject regularly but still have blatant tracked marks across both forearms. It's not a hard and fast rule, but occasionally the new appearance of chunky, healthy LOOKING visible veins is a sign of IV drug use, as the blood starts to use and inflate the diameter of new routes it uses to take through parts of ones body due to the temporary / permanent damage caused to others through their use for this ROA.

I know I've been playing devils advocate regarding what positives you can do with this but if you are spending every night stressed out of your mind due to possible respiratory depression then you really need to start thinking about how long you can live like that.....

The vein remark is great, I'll be looking for that.

I go back and forth mentally about how long I can deal with it. There are times when I'm done, and it doesn't take long for me to talk myself back into it. My choices may help him and hurt me. Most likely. My personality type though, I'll forgive a million times but one I make the decision to be done, it's like a switch that just flips off and it's very final. I guess I'm saying I'll know when I get to the point. And when I do, there's not a question in my mind off no turning back. Or maybe I'm healing myself and doing my grieving now? Like b4 it ends. Doesn't seem very fair, but sub consciously I could be going there.
 
if you are spending every night stressed out of your mind due to possible respiratory depression then you really need to start thinking about how long you can live like that.....

We had a decent discussion within the past 24hr, it went something like this:

After much lip service talk, that's what I'm calling it when he just tells me what he wants me to hear. I pressed again for how much and how often so we can start move in the other direction. He reluctantly says about 100mg of pharmaceutical forms of oxycodone. And that Saturday he only took 50mg, 2 percs and then 3. Which is great if it is factual. I ask him if he has a plan, if he's trying to cut it down and wean or if he's just intending to cut back. And whether he's waiting until his body stays to withdrawal and then take them or if he's just setting his mind to 50mg and taking them at will. He says he's trying to cut way back so that eventually when he DT's the symptoms of w/d aren't as a severe. Sunday he was nodding in and out pretty much all day, but it was different from what I've been seeing.

Can you nod from withdrawing??? (HOPING someone can answer that)

He said he was just feeling very very tired, he may have taken suboxone, I'm not sure. But he was having a lot of bathroom trips due to diarrhea. He says he took nothing at all, until about 11pm tonight (2) 10mg percs. He seemed way more himself, only quieter, which I fully would expect. I saw his helper from work text him asking to "make a run" & he said "can't" & left it at that. We disagree about what that text meant and I left the conversation at "I don't believe that's what he was referring to and I know you guys are using together and up to something throughout the day. But I still love you and you need to make your decisions for long term purposes"

Also we half way had physical Intercourse, things aren't working at ago b4, and 2 days in a row there was progress in that area. My thining is he's cutting back and putting forth effort. I would say it was a good weekend.
 
Good to hear B74, you are unlikely to be in a opi - induced 'nod' while withdrawing but although one usually becomes restless and unable to sleep, this can cycle with periods of semi - consciousness - folk in w/d probably get more rest and micro - sleeps than they give themselves credit for but during periods when they appear to space out (or nod off) they should be instantly rousable, something that is not so easy if gauched out on a strong opiate / opioid.

I hope that between now and next weekend you continue to feel like you are getting somewhere, please keep us updated either way and if by Friday or Saturday you still feel like your being completely taken for a ride or of your feel that you are moving backwards or even back as for as square 1 then perhaps it may be time to re-evaluate whether this is ultimately worth a sore heart or a completely broken one xxx
 
nodding means he is taking enough to be high if you were tapering you would not be nodding ffs

thats so obvious

having taken a lot of poppies in the past and been very affected (itching, euphoria, relaxation) but nowhere near nodding. its a sign he's off his face. the difference between having a drink and being drunk. nodding is like drunk equivalent
 
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