Mental Health Punishment or treatment?

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When medical psychiatrists in Western democracies use neuroleptics on their own patients they claim it is a relatively safe, necessary and effective therapy. However, when the same mainstream psychiatric professionals observed Soviet psychiatrists using the same drugs on people diagnosed with schizophrenia during the last decades of the communist era, they loudly proclaimed that the drugs were being used as a form of punishment and torture. This was despite evidence that Soviet psychiatrists approached the concept of mental illness in almost identical ways to those of Western psychiatrists. An investigator of Soviet psychiatry at the end of the communist era found that:
The dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia and amine hypothesis of depression are widely quoted. There is a more intense approach to treatment in the early stages of an illness, and the range of drugs used is similar to that in the West. Interestingly, clozapine [an atypical neuroleptic] was used in the Soviet Union long before it became available in Western countries.[50]
The World Psychiatric Association, the professional body representing psychiatrists at an international level, was very prominent in the early 1980s in a campaign of condemnation of Soviet psychiatry. There was a widespread perception in the West that Soviet psychiatrists were using neuroleptics as a form of torture on dissidents who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Leonid Plyushch, a Russian scientist and political dissident of the 1970s who eventually fled to the United States, told how he had been drugged in a Soviet psychoprison on small doses of the neuroleptic Haldol: ‘I was horrified to see how I deteriorated intellectually, morally and emotionally from day to day. My interest in political problems quickly disappeared, then my interest in scientific problems, and then my interest in my wife and children.’[51] Haldol is not a Soviet invention. It is manufactured in the United States by McNeil Pharmaceuticals. In 1995 Haldol had 24 per cent of the neuroleptic market in the United States.[52]
The professional body representing Soviet psychiatrists resigned from the WPA under pressure in 1983, and in 1989 a Time article warned about the dangers of allowing Soviet psychiatrists to rejoin the WPA. The article canvassed the opinion that psychiatric methods remained essentially unchanged in the Soviet Union and reviewed some of the abuses of the past. At its supposed worst, Soviet psychiatry was dominated by Dr Andrei Snezhnevsky, the director of the Institute of Psychiatry of the USSR Academy of Medical Sciences. Snezhnevsky had died in 1987 but he had been the leading figure in Soviet psychiatry since the early 1950s and his influence was still felt. It was Snezhnevsky who,
broadened the definition of schizophrenia by adding the category ‘sluggish schizophrenia.’ He defined the disorder as a slow-developing illness without the hallucinations that are a classic element in the Western definition of many schizophrenias. Instead, the ‘symptoms’ could be nearly all forms of behaviour—unsociability, mild pessimism, stubbornness—that deviated from the social or political ideal.[53]
This description of schizophrenia could easily be derived from the current DSM-IV diagnostic criteria, in which ‘hallucinations’ are only one of five possible Criterion A symptoms and are not an essential feature of schizophrenia. Evidence of ‘unsociability, mild pessimism, stubborness, that deviated from the social ideal’, could easily trigger a diagnosis of schizophrenia using DSM-IV guidelines. Disorganised behaviour (Criterion A4) combined with negative symptoms such as affective flattening (Criterion A5) and social dysfunction (Criterion B) would probably be sufficient. If a person was troublesome to their family or a social nuisance in a Western country, there is little doubt that the Soviet criteria could be used for at least a tentative schizophrenia label such as schizophreniform disorder (DSM-IV) or simple schizophrenia (ICD-10).
The same Time article described the torture/punishment imposed on Soviet dissidents as being ‘hospitalised for years under prison-like conditions and put on powerful drugs that turned them into zombies’.[54] But the powerful drugs that violated human rights by turning Soviet dissidents into zombies are the same neuroleptics used on similar types of people by Western psychiatrists.
Another indignant description of Soviet psychiatry describes sluggish schizophrenia again: ‘One manifestation of this novel ailment was “stubbornness and inflexibility of convictions”; the usual treatment consisted of megadoses of powerful tranquillisers such as Thorazine for “prophylactic” purposes’.[55] Once again, ‘inflexibility of convictions’ is just another way of describing ‘delusions with lack of insight’, which is a common feature of schizophrenia diagnosis in the West. ‘Prophylactic purposes’ is called ‘maintenance treatment’ by Western psychiatrists and, as with Haldol in the earlier description, the drug used to supposedly ‘punish’ Soviet dissidents, Thorazine, is routinely applied to schizophrenics by Western psychiatrists. Thorazine is the brand, and chlorpromazine the generic name, of a commonly used neuroleptic that had 12 per cent of the market for neuroleptics in the United States in 1995.[56] In Britain this drug is known as Largactil.
Thomas Szasz argues that the spectacle of the Western psychiatric profession loudly condemning Soviet psychiatrists for their abuse of professional standards was largely an exercise in hypocrisy. Szasz maintains that it is psychiatric power that is the problem from which psychiatric abuse arises, and that psychiatric power is just as prevalent in democratic societies as it was in the Soviet Union: ‘Psychiatric abuse, such as we usually associate with practices in the former Soviet Union, is related not to the misuse of psychiatric diagnoses, but to the political power intrinsic to the social role of the psychiatrist in totalitarian and democratic societies alike’.[57] If one accepts the argument that neuroleptic treatment was a form of torture when it was used by Soviet psychiatrists, there is little reason to have a different opinion about its current usage by Western psychiatrists.
Lawrence Stevens, a lawyer in the United States who represents victims of psychiatric injustice, goes beyond the punishment/torture model for forced treatment with neuroleptics. He compares the practice to rape:
In both cases, the victim’s pants are pulled down. In both cases, a tube is inserted into the victim’s body against her (or his) will. In the case of sexual rape, the tube is a penis. In the case of what could be called psychiatric rape, the tube is a hypodermic needle. In both cases, a fluid is injected into the victim’s body against her or his will.[58]
Descriptions given by patients of the treatment they have received sometimes gives confirmation of Stevens’s assertion, despite his hyperbole. One woman patient, who had read a number of books about psychiatric theories of schizophrenia before her incarceration, had the temerity to demand of the hospital staff that they test her dopamine levels before giving her neuroleptic medication, in order to confirm that she did indeed have a chemical imbalance in her brain.
When I was demanding testing at Shellharbour [a psychiatric hospital in New South Wales, Australia], I refused to lay on the bed for an injection unless they tested my levels first. The hospital brought in the hospital security men who forced me around to the TV room via a back corridor. They held me down and forced the injection on me.[59]
This same former patient goes on to describe how neuroleptics affect patient behaviour by the same ‘fear therapy’ principle as earlier forms of treatment:
When the side effects of the drugs started taking effect I told staff that the side effects were totally unacceptable and that the drugs were toxic. Worse, they were forcing untested drugs on untested patients. The psychiatrist ‘treating’ me was furious. She said in response that I wasn’t allowed to leave the ward with the other patients. I was therefore effectively put in isolation on the ward. I had to endure the side effects etc in silence because there is always ECT down the corridor. Staff then naively believed that I had calmed down because of the drugs. One psychiatric nurse said ‘Look how much better you are now’. This woman honestly believed that I had calmed down because of biological intervention. I hadn’t changed my attitudes or feelings one skerrick. It was just that I was too terrified to say anything because this woman ‘treating’ me was vicious. She meant business. I gave up the fight out of fear of an increased risk of brain damage from increased doses over a longer period of time.[60]
The fear of ‘ECT down the corridor’ is a particularly noteworthy element in the fear therapy that was applied to this patient. She further clarified the therapeutic principle: ‘Because biopsychiatrists dehumanise and depersonalise schizophrenics they can’t comprehend the fact that we respond rapidly to abuse like anyone else. If someone puts the fear of God into you, you shut up. Because of the silence they think the patient has calmed down and recovered because of biological intervention’.[61]
The history of treatment for schizophrenia reveals a long tradition of applying torture and cruel punishment as forms of ‘fear therapy’. In the past psychiatrists have candidly described the principle of fear therapy as giving patients a choice between better behaviour or more pain. Contemporary treatment in the form of neuroleptic medication, while still clearly retaining the same fear therapy principle, also restricts a person’s liberty by acting as a chemical straitjacket. In this way, neuroleptic medication appears to violate human rights which protect against the loss of liberty as well as human rights which protect against torture and cruel punishment.
This is all bad enough, but the situation is now worsening. Not content with the 1-2 percent of the population traditionally caught in the diagnostic dragnet, the psychiatric profession is now engaged in a project to expand the numbers. In what appears to be a strategy largely developed by the pharmaceutical industry, psychiatrists are now embarked on a preventive medicine campaign to detect and treat schizophrenics who are still in a supposed pre-psychotic stage. Given that there is no disease to prevent—and the implementation of a preventive medicine campaign is therefore far more likely to increase rather than reduce the number of people who receive a diagnosis—the reasoning behind this campaign is doubtful. However, it is not difficult to guess at the outcomes, whether intended or not. These will be an extension of psychiatric precautionary control measures together with an expansion of the market for the new generation of atypical neuroleptics.
 
Forced treatment and the history of schizophrenia pharmacotherapy are problematic at best. Noted and agreed. But it is wildly inappropriate to compare mandated injections of antipsychotics to sexual assault - especially if you intend to be sensitive to psychiatric patients. Women experience high levels of actual not-a-metaphor sexual assault in inpatient facilities around the world and it's not OK to erase that to make a point about how a man feels about having to take medication.
 
Neuroleptics are torture. Rape is torture. Many of those women who are raped in inpatient biopsychiatric institutions are also forced to take drugs that cause extreme depression, akithisia, TD, and tons of severe physical and mental problems.

The DSM is literally made up. It is voted on. They take a vote on what to consider biological illness and how to define it. That is absurd.

They torture KIDS with neuroleptics. I have taken them so I know they are torture.

Many people who are abused as children end up in psych wards and forced to take neuroleptics - because of MENTAL DISTRESS not MENTAL ILLNESS.

Not a single biological test is conducted on a person before they are forced to take brain seizing drugs that will TORMENT them. And members of the cult of biopsychiatry call it a "treatment" which has "benefits that far outweigh the risks." They TORTURE CHILDREN based on that premise. They don't even have one fulfilled prophecy backing up their fairy tale book (DSM). This is what we call proof: http://www.reasons.org/articles/art...ecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

This has 0 proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_hypothesis_of_schizophrenia.

Those kids are being tortured RIGHT NOW. If a child has too many temper tantrums, especially in foster care, they can be diagnosed bipolar and chemically restrained with the torture called neuroleptic treatment. Oh excuse me, "antipsychotic" treatment.
 
Yeah, I think you've kinda missed my point.

No. The comparison to rape does not discount the fact that women are raped in inpatient psychiatric institutions by mental health professionals. In fact, it should be added that in addition to being raped, that they are being forcibly injected with neuroleptics for the purpose of punishment and torture.. Under the guise of "treatment" with "benefits that outweigh the risks." Often, the torturous neuroleptics do not leave their systems for 4-8 months. So post-rape, they are tortured by the chemical. This probably leads to a high suicide rate among the victims.
 
Personally after what was deemed a suicide attempt...
I did leave a note though that was the point, as I was trying to get into the hospital to get treatment for my underlying physical issues in a faster manner, it wasn't a true attempt. For more information see http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/751366-Why-is-suicide-so-looked-down-on for some insight.

I was under the impression I would get help getting to the root cause of the physical issues in an faster manner & that once I explained my knowledge of pharmacology & that what I had taken would not cause any permanent damage that they would work with me & help me out. For example tylenol in low enough quantity that it was easily treated with NAC without damage. Though like I said see the other thread for more info.

I was sorely mistaken. Instead I feel I was tortured, not helped at all & in fact harmed greatly by the hospital visit.
I have way more physical & a massive amount more psychological issues than prior to said visit. In fact a large number of the psychological issues did not exist prior to the hospital visit. Though some may be due to changes in medications, improper removal of medications & PTSD from the experience.

As such I highly recommend against anything that lands you in the hospital for any period of time or gives doctors any sort of control over your life as you will end up experiencing punishment, though that doesn't even begin to describe what they did to me.
I would instead refer to it as torture or a visit to hell. Do not expect treatment from people who are supposedly there to help you.

If I could turn back time I would choose death over the experience I had at the hands of the hospital.
The nurses & aides in general were great, but the doctors were so incompetent or just plain cruel that I found it almost incomprehensible & still do.
If I can prevent anyone else from experiencing what I went through I hope this post helps to do so.
As I have not visited or posted on this site in a long time, & never in the forums I'm currently posting in.
I just feel that strongly that I must do what I can to help others avoid the hell that I went through & am still going through.
And just to point out that I am familiar with the other issues discussed in this thread I was abused as a child I just choose not to discuss it at this point in time.
As well I don't have the time to do so atm. :\
If any of this doesn't fit into forum guidelines please let me know as I don't usually post in the forums I'm posting in tonight, but as I stated above helping others outweighs the fact I haven't been on BL in a long time.
 
Did they put you on neuroleptics?

Don't tell a psych doc you were abused as a child. That is something they will use AGAINST you. If I could go back, I would have literally told them NOTHING. I thought they might be able to help me. Boy was I wrong. Luckily, I'm not one of those who ended up with a court order.

Keep ur mouth shut around psych docs. Last thing u want is neuroleptic "treatment." Watch out for court-orders, learn the law in your state. If they get one, you have to move to a different state. I hate the fact that a lot of people who are court-ordered neuroleptic torture were abused as children on top of it.

Same scam as always. Rich people getting richer off of oppressing vulnerable people and convincing them to thank them for it. "Neuroleptics helped me" - brainwashed person. Check out the peer reviewed studies on neuroleptics in medical journals. They said risperadol gave less than 5% of kids even anxiety. And doctors, knowing it blocks dopamine and seratonin, somehow believe it! Like "it's in a peer reviewed medical journal it must be true, no matter how completely insane it sounds."
 
The in 1 day removed 3 soma a day, 3 5mg valium a day, 6 8mg hydromorphone a day, and cut me from 3 to 2 60mg morphine er a day. As well they put me on 30mg Remeron (Mirtazapine) a day. Though i've had horrible reactions (hallucinations, etc) from TCA's in the past (Trazadone). Though Remeron is technically a TeCA I still am finding it to be quite unpleasant, not to help with depression, just makes me sluggish & makes me eat till I'm sick.

I went from approx. 750 calories a day to 3500+ and & have major GI issues (pre-existing) as such I can barely function from the food alone. Not to mention I have a super fast metabolism & even a month later I am still having opiate w/d issues. As the ER Morphine only lasts 6-8 hours, as such 8-12 hours a day I'm incapacitated, essentially just laying in bed feeling like shit, not sleeping but passed out & unable to really move. Also when I have a BM it's violent & painful due to being in w/d's & then I black out for 6-8 hours from the pain, as I have major pain in my lower left abdomen that has never been diagnosed. After multiple colonoscopies/endoscopy they called it IBS since they had no clue. One of which I was awake for as they fucked up sedation, choking on a tube while watching them biopsy your colon & watching the blood run down on a screen, yeah still have nightmares to this day.

On my last hospital visit I was forced to have a feeding tube though I denied it as did my family they did it anyway.
I told them as soon as I fell asleep I'd have a nightmare wake & rip it out...
Low & behold that's exactly what happened & now have more damage to my nose/throat etc. No I have not mentioned abuse to anyone in psych, that's something I should not do?

As I managed to get disqualified for physical therapy & in patient psych, & instead had home health visits. I had 6 of each but was discharged from nurse & PT after 2 visits as I was supposedly doing so well. AKA I know how to play things.

I am set to have out patient counseling, & am planning on attempting to use that out patient to get in with a Psych who my GF & her best friend have both seen, In-Patient & Out. The friend still sees that Dr. out patient & they both say he's great. I was planning on BS'ing the NP & the Dr. I see in the meantime until I can get in with the doc those 2 recommend. As he normally only does in patient, but with a patient recommending me, & the nurse from home health was also a psych for 10 years, & knows the Dr. in question personally said I would be a great candidate for the Dr. I'm looking to see & that he would also speak with said Dr. & do his best to try to get me in with him even though he normally doesn't take anymore out patient clients.

Any recommendations? As I'm not at all familiar with the system & had I known what would happen would never have gotten into this mess/system, it was all done at the recommendation of a family member & TBH I wish I'd just ended it, as opposed to there great idea of take enough stuff & leave a note to get in hospital & they'll find the root cause of your physical problems without you waiting for months & months for appts.

Well that was not the case at all, they postponed appts. & now I have all this other shit to deal with. The appts. I had scheduled were Gastroenterology, Urology, Neurology & Endocrinology. There still scheduled just further out now, :(

Oh & at the end of April I have a hearing on my disability appeal & have no idea how this will affect it. I have a lawyer but am not familiar at all with anything involving the system as prior to this I've never had any involvement.
So any info would be appreciated, PM me it's not thread appropriate. Thanks for any help or advice you can give.
I'm in PA btw, though I'd like to / plan on if possible moving to NY asap, as I'm on the border & have a long term GF/Wife without the papers in NY, but she's on section 8 so I can't live with her atm. Though if I get disability & what not I should be able to apply for the necessary things to move in with her & what not, plus other benefits, that's my understanding anyways.

However, she wants me healthy enough to take care of myself which is a bit of an issue, but I'm doing my best, as the hospital really made my physical issues much worse, & the emotional ones are also much worse as well as tons of new ones that I never had before, :(

But I digress as I begin to ramble? Thanks again & any info/advice is greatly appreciated.
 
idk. I've never had involvement with that system. I would avoid psych docs, though.

I think you should pray. I will pray for you. God saved me from a lot of really bad (extreme) situations. Do you believe in Jesus?

If you get rid of the pain, you have a fighting chance. If not, you will need to be cared for. Sorry about the hospital. That sounds real rough. I hope you get better! I don't trust humans very much. IDK what I would do if I had pain that made me go to the hospital. I hate putting my fate in the hands of men.

Prayin for u
 
Thanks. I've lost any faith I may have had a long time ago.
If anything I have a sense of spirituality & a divine cosmos but tbh the suffering I've been through has stripped me of even that.
I wake up every day wondering if this is what the christians would call hell but then realize I'm not schizo & that life is just really this miserable & if I could just go to the nothingness I'd be so much happier.

By nothingness I mean I've OD'd multiple times & there was never anything but an empty blackness much like sleep & it's the most pleasant thing I've ever experienced. But yet I seem to be stuck here in this never ending cycle, hard to explain, but tbh I'm not sure how much longer I'll let it go on. I tried to get help, it failed, now it's worse & I'm once again going to lose everything I have.

Except this time I'm likely to also lose the woman I've been with for 6+ years & planned on spending my life with & I no longer speak to family members other than when necessary due to there horrible actions so, basically if it wasn't for the meds I'm forced to take & the withdrawals that make me just not care enough to do anything about anything I'd just get it over with.

As my only reason for fighting on was to help her & it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to, or at least be able to be in a position to do anything soon enough as she has mental health issues & what not & is rapidly falling apart.
When I met her she had major problems & was on strong anti-psych medications & the like I helped her through her problems & got her off said medications with a long term taper. Now she's just on what she needs to get by in a normal fashion but since I'm no longer there she's just falling apart, going back to the way it was before but worse.
And I fear by the time I deal with the system, get my disability (that is if I don't get denied again) & get to where I can try to help that it will be to late. But I digress I'm just making myself really sad. :(

I appreciate your faith though, it appears to have worked for you. In my case I've done nothing but good for others & been repeatedly hurt & tortured for it. I'm not likely to ever get rid of the pain & I have no one to help take care of me or help me at all at this point.
I take care of myself as best I can & wait for the day I can leave this miserable world behind & hope for something better even if it is just a never ending blackness.
Regardless I'm glad you have something that you can look to for support or hope, but for me I'm just empty.
 
U seem to think Christ is about karma. Christ is about grace and mercy. He is very merciful. Extremely merciful.

This life is in a fallen world that has been subjected to futility. Over 20,000 kids will die tomorrow because of a lack of food and water. This is due to the lies the rich of this world propagate, not a lack of resources. That's part of why God says the whole world is in the hands of the evil one. But He controls eternity.

None of us are good people. If you accept Christ's sacrifice, believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth - you will be saved. He might heal you! He healed my eye once. I thought I was going to go blind in it. He has saved me from death multiple times, and saved my kid from death once right in front of me. He is very merciful, no matter what you might have done. Don't look at all the suffering and evil in the world, but instead look at your own situation and relationship with God. He is merciful and will forgive you and bring you into eternal life! A life where there is no more pain, no more tears, and no more suffering. You just have to ask Him. That's all. Ask and you will receive.

He is your last hope and He is merciful to forgive all sins!

He really saved my life, my kids life, and healed me. I was sliding down a roof when I was roofing and He stopped me. My kid was about to get hit by a car and he intervened. Both times were definitely miracles!

I hope you find hope instead of just wanting the darkness. There is light...
 
^ I am well & truly glad that you feel that way. I gave it a whirl.
I truly believed at the time. I was young & honestly did as you speak of. Not long after my health problems began & my life got worse & worse, I don't believe in karma either. If anything I believe there is some sort of universal energy, some may call it God, whatever they choose. Though I've lost faith in there really being any real benefit to spirituality.

I once believed that if one attained enough knowledge & did the right things one could attune oneself to said energy or as you would refer to it God, but I just don't have that anymore.

Perhaps after my appt. in 10 hours I will get my medications back, get taken off this Remeron & have a change of heart. But at the moment spirituality & it's associated aspects are the least of my concerns.
I'm worried about that appt. & my medications & not losing them, being taken off the Remeron & perhaps being put on some others.

Also would like to have the doc help with some new issues the hospital caused as from my research I now also have either a UTI, a damaged Urethra or an infected prostate, either way I'm bleeding internally somewhere in one of those areas.
None to pleased by that but considering what the hospital did I'm not surprised.

Not to mention the marble sized lump under a vein in my right arm, that I didn't have prior to hospital visit that I told them that the IV had come out of the vein & I'm just hoping it's not an abcess as it hurts & it shouldn't.
But hey I kinda figured there would be issues from the way the hospital treated my veins, as half the time they put in an IV they didn't even bother to register before pumping shit in.

Anyways I digress, I'm tired & have appt. in morning, thanks again for your wishes & perhaps one day I will see your point of view but atm I have what I feel are greater concerns.

Yes I know you will respond that there is no greater concern than salvation but technically, since I already did the whole process you speak of when I was younger, but changed my mind as I grew older depending on your interpretation of things I could technically be fine as I did do & believe all the things you speak of, I just don't anymore. :\

As they say it's all relative. I really do appreciate your concern though as it's more than most have shown.
I'm also well & truly glad that you've had miracles in your life that have helped you & your family.
I hope you continue to have such good fortunes & that your beliefs continue to help you as much as they have.
 
U should read the Parable of the Sown Seed and the Parable of the Wheat and the Weeds

1He began to teach again by the sea. And such a very large crowd gathered to Him that He got into a boat in the sea and sat down; and the whole crowd was by the sea on the land. 2And He was teaching them many things in parables, and was saying to them in His teaching, 3“Listen to this! Behold, the sower went out to sow; 4as he was sowing, some seed fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate it up. 5“Other seed fell on the rocky ground where it did not have much soil; and immediately it sprang up because it had no depth of soil. 6“And after the sun had risen, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. 7“Otherseed fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked it, and it yielded no crop. 8“Other seeds fell into the good soil, and as they grew up and increased, they yielded a crop and produced thirty, sixty, and a hundredfold.” 9And He was saying, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” 10As soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables.11And He was saying to them, “To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN.”


Explanation

13And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How will you understand all the parables?14“The sower sows the word. 15“These are the ones who are beside the road where the word is sown; and when they hear, immediately Satan comes and takes away the word which has been sown in them. 16“In a similar way these are the ones on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy; 17and they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately they fall away. 18“And others are the ones on whom seed was sown among the thorns; these are the ones who have heard the word, 19but the worries of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20“And those are the ones on whom seed was sown on the good soil; and they hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirty, sixty, and a hundredfold.”
21And He was saying to them, “A lamp is not brought to be put under a basket, is it, or under a bed? Is it not brought to be put on the lampstand? 22“For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anythingbeen secret, but that it would come to light. 23“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.” 24And He was saying to them, “Take care what you listen to. By your standard of measure it will be measured to you; and more will be given you besides. 25“For whoever has, to him more shall be given; and whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him.”




 
24Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25“But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26“But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27“The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28“And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29“But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”


He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.” 37And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40“So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43“Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
 
This is precisely why I have never thought twice about withholding my suicidal thoughts from therapists. I have a fear of being an inpatient and forced to take terrible meds.
 
I'm not even gonna respond to that Invega, up till now we've kept this strictly rational & philosophical as possible.
Now as to falsified I hear ya, gotta set up out patient counseling... that is if I don't take myself out first.
Just got back from a doc appt. where I am now being tapered off all my pain killers & benzos both of which I've been on for 10+ years & I have major health issues.
Trying to decide if it's even worth trying to deal with or just say fuck it & end this shit.
I mean fuck...
Guessing I'm red flagged & out patient is gonna just fuck me & offer me anti-d's or anti-psych's.
Maybe some anti-histamines for anxiety.
Fuck that. I'm kinda jaded atm if you can't tell, :(
 
I used to live with a friend who had temporary custody of his relatives child. Poor 8 year old was prescribed risperidone along with clonazepam and extended release methylphenidate. He developed a severe facial twitch, lost bladder control (-after- being put on said medication regime). To me it did seems like punishment for a little boy who was a bit more animated than others.
 
Just listen to the doctors and you will be fine, stop over thinking the matter, you're not the doctor, let the doctors do what they gotta do to improve your situation.
 
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