Psychoactive Substances Bill and Benzodiazepines - A Presentation

[consumer]

Do not feed the troll!

 

[Community Justice]

interesting, you blame the dealers, then 'neoliberalist imperalist forces' - at the same time blaming their victims. Who don't you blame for the worlds woes?

Am I blaming these 'victims'? Absolute rubbish. I'm offering a clear way out to those who wish to change their ways, while at the same time making it clear that the working people will no longer fund the dependencies of those who do not wish to get out, and are unprepared to dedicate their energies to the class struggle. I understand that your immersion in the drug culture may make it difficult to understand subtleties, but there is simply no excuse for gross distortion.

 

[steewith2ees]

@ Community 'Justice'

OK, I wasn't aware of that study and as such I take back my previous comment. However, when it comes to alcohol detox, its a different story, as even the worst alcoholics I have treated have had their symptoms brought under control with dosages equivalent to 30mgs of chlordiazopoxide or less, allowing for a quick reduction.

When Im describing the treatment of cronic benzodiazepine dependence however Im not differentiating between 'novel' benzos or pharm ones, they are one and the same thing, and those with longstanding addictions to the long acting compounds may not even start experiencing wd symptoms until weeks after taking their final dose, and as interesting and enlightening the study is that you referenced, I can't see how these people can be detoxed in 11 days.

To be fair though you have given me alot of food for thought, as I know little about Oxcarbazepine which I will look into closely. All I know tho is that its use outside of the most progressive clinics in the US is non existent as far as I can see.

 

[Ceres]

Am I blaming these 'victims'? Absolute rubbish. I'm offering a clear way out to those who wish to change their ways, while at the same time making it clear that the working people will no longer fund the dependencies of those who do not wish to get out, and are unprepared to dedicate their energies to the class struggle. I understand that your immersion in the drug culture may make it difficult to understand subtleties, but there is simply no excuse for gross distortion.

class struggle? ever heard of solidarity? Suppose it's not a word that gets used often in the daily mail.

 

[Community Justice]

Yes, Ceres, because everybody with anti-drug views reads the Daily Mail. Even those of a socialist disposition. Now away with you.

@ Community 'Justice'OK, I wasn't aware of that study and as such I take back my previous comment. However, when it comes to alcohol detox, its a different story, as even the worst alcoholics I have treated have had their symptoms brought under control with dosages equivalent to 30mgs of chlordiazopoxide or less, allowing for a quick reduction. When Im describing the treatment of cronic benzodiazepine dependence however Im not differentiating between 'novel' benzos or pharm ones, they are one and the same thing, and those with longstanding addictions to the long acting compounds may not even start experiencing wd symptoms until weeks after taking their final dose, and as interesting and enlightening the study is that you referenced, I can't see how these people can be detoxed in 11 days.To be fair though you have given me alot of food for thought, as I know little about Oxcarbazepine which I will look into closely. All I know tho is that its use outside of the most progressive clinics in the US is non existent as far as I can see.

I agree that there are unanswered questions, but it challenges the traditional view of benzodiazepine detox. Let's hope that something of this kind can be offered to the poor souls who can't help themselves, eh?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Every drug addicted individual shares a common characteristic: they are the enemies of themselves, of their communities and of their class. Only when they are liberated can they begin to discover and to assert their individuality, Until then they are a mere tool of neoliberal imperialist forces.

Have you ever had an addiction to anything other than being a cock?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

CJ; a long term and gradual benzo taper is essential for anyone with a long term habit, the short sharp, shock treatment may be just enough to prevent fatal seizures but it wont give the addicts brain time to adjust, which could very easily lead to months, if not permanent, states of anxiety, and 'runaway thought loops' with such abrupt cessation.

There has been enough advance notice for anyone with an RC benzo habit to get tapering. As one of the most un-self-disciplined people I have ever known of even I have managed to reduce from unmeasured constant phenazepam PG sipping or 35-50mg of etizolam to 1.8mg of pyrax and 1.6mg diclaz. If I can do it, and strongly believe that I can do it, anyone can. This is possibly partly due to feeling forced into it. I had understood the potential severity of the problem before the ban was announced (for which I am greatly indebted to an AWOL EADDer) and was already tapering, but the pending ban has probably helped me push things along a bit faster than I might have done otherwise. The real problem is going to be for those who are so fogged by benzos that they dont realise the importance or urgency, due to the nature of the beast and the effect it has on complacency, like I was until someone hammered that point home to me.

Even then there are problems with how easily a taper can be thrown off course; just by life, having to work different shifts for example is completely disasterous for a benzo taper; for instance if you are not extremely regimented about waking up and getting up at the same time every day, in order to be able to sleep at a reasonable hour that night. I have also foolishly been bingeing on things that interfere with my sleep this last week or 2, which has royally fucked up my sleep, turned it upside down in fact so that i wasnt getting to sleep until 6 am for example. I have cheated my way back to normailty by the use of stims and temporarily increasing my benzo dose. But now I have to re-cover old ground to get back to where i was a couple of weeks ago.

All I'm saying is that a self administered benzo taper is far from straightforward, and thank fuck for all the notice there has been, as there have been many and various setbacks along the way. To be safe, and allowing for likely further future fuck ups, I will probably be making one more order of pyraz powder shortly before the ban, but not leaving it too late, and risking the vendor having sold out with no intention of re-stocking.

 

[steewith2ees]

bumped for cloud

 

[Cloudie]

Very much appreciated!

 

[deano88]

This could just be one really long winded April fools joke by the government.

 

[steewith2ees]

Looks like this might be of some use after all after I have had some feedback that folk have actually approached their Primary Health Care provider armed with a copy, which seems to have been actually read.

I'm giving it one more bump in light of the ban actually coming into force after reading OTW's 'its all your own fault if you've managed to become dependant on RC's' post. I'm not criticising it, he is just very good at making everybody take responsibility for their actions regardless of whether or not they have IRL problems, mental health issues, no prior knowledge of how habit forming benzodiazepine drugs are, whether they have ever had access to the 'classic' drug (Cannabis, cocaine, LSD etc) and what socio - economic resources they have access to.

Basically, if your ever need help with anything at all, forget it as you should have thought about behaviour beforehand. Obviously people are expected to learn completely how to live completely intuitively. Nobody should ever have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes – they shouldn’t make any in the first place and suffer the consequences alone and ostracised from soceity if they do.

 

[bropiate]

Amazing presentation.

I might bring it to the hospital as soon as I feel the flubro w/d hit. Though if this act definitely goes through, since psycho-activity cannot be defined most sites will market their wares as 'non psychoactive research chemicals'
I'm hoping for that anyway.

 

[steewith2ees]

I appreciate the compliments Brioprate, and I will try and thrash out what loopholes could be possibly exploited with you when I have more time.

Although its already done half the job already by forcing responsible vendors to cease trading, lets wait and see what a total non event next Thursday is going to be in terms of bring successful prosecutions.

Please tell me that your having problems with Flubromazepam as a pose to the frankenstine triazolo version, which despite being a lover of benzos for the majority of my drug misuse is nothing more than a hateful occurrence. If it is Flubromazolam that you are having issues with, I beg you to grab a load of 1 and 2mg Diclazepam pellets while you can and flush the F-lam, as its lethal and the diclazepam is the best NPS benzodiazepine to maintain yourself on or even begin a taper with until you can access professional help. Just remember to print off a copy of the EATPSB ppp to bring with you ;-) as most GP's don't have a clue and we don't even know what the equipotency of F-lam is to other benzos.

Stee

 

[Sprout]

More appropriate than ever, the gates will be opened soon. 8(

 

[3dmusic]

Thank you

Let's make these links a bit more prominent, lest they become lost in noise:
April's PSB and its implications -- Adobe Flash version (For Windows, and Linux with more or less extreme trickery)
April's PSB and its implications -- PDF version (For Apple, Android and Linux without trickery)

The links above will take you to a presentation authored and created by our resident Mr Stee regarding the upcoming legislation from the perspective of the community it will affect most; the RC benzo using community; the possibly dependent community; our community.

Posted here with the express wishes and permission of the author.

Now that we are a few months into the post-ban period, it would be interesting to see how many people are presenting at GP's, A&E's or drug services with benzo withdrawal.

Myself, I was buying what I thought was zopiclone but could have been a stronger research benzo (foolish I know) but I cannot get through the day without some drug, my mood is just too low, I am a self harmer and super sensitive. Recently diagnosed with Borderline Personality and C-PTSD hence, shrink agreeing to prescribe, on the condition that I don't top up with my own benzos from the street, if the withdrawals get too much.
They want me off all drugs to start treatment, but if I am mired in anxiety from the withdrawawls, the treatment stands much less of a chance of working.
I am terrified, because I am a natural born worrier, I have financial worries and dreading the magnification of this anxiety, because the last time I cold turkeyed valium, my anxiety drove me to be impulsive and my impulsive actions still cause me problems to this day, and that was seven years ago.
I don't want to be harmed by too rapid a taperr. I was on 75mg unprescribed, and told to stay at that dose till i get my legit script, but I thought a 5mg cut would do no harm, on such a big dose, how wrong I was.
I'd also had two episodes of underdosing because a new supplier warned me not to take 75mg of the diazepam they got me from Serbia. They are very well made looking pills, come in blisters, but sent loose and wrapped in a careful way to avoid detection in the post.