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Please, I need Brutal honesty and serious help (palinopsia, after images, trails)

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Portvaldes

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I took really strong mdma 2 weeks ago and I've developed palinopsia, after images, visual snow and trails day by day since. The trails are definitely the scariest and despite how happy and optimistic I try and stay throughout the day, everytime I wake up they are worse, the after images are worsening from bright objects to non-illuminated objects. I feel like my life is about to be ruined by one stupid mistake. I've started taking Uridine, DHA, Magnesium, Vitamin C and D.

My question is, am I going to have to live like this, learning to cure the anxiety side as opposed to the actual symptoms, as in, is this actually curable. Also, how bad is it going to get, the day by day difference is huge, if it increases like this daily in two or three months I probably would've killed myself

Please don't read this and not help me I'm begging for some support, any supplementary advice or a testimony, please.

UPDATE: It has been two months since I took it and my symptoms are worsening, all I've been doing is eating healthily and jogging. Any advice?
 
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Sorry to read this. The only people that can help you are professionals. You need to present yourself as soon as possible to your local doctor. If you do have this condition then it is brain related rather than eye and there may be underlying disorder that needs rapid medical intervention

Take care
 
Thanks, although all the accounts I've read show that doctors and neurologists are completely inefficient in dealing with it, i will give it a try but I'm set on them not being to help apart from offering benzos which i refuse to take
 
Get checked anyways to at least confirm that it is mental health related. Once they rule out any medical conditions, then treat it as anxiety yourself. Mindfulness, exercise, and patience.

Check out the recovery thread, there is good stuff in there.

You'll be fine, but you're gonna have to work to get better. Be patient and don't spend too much time on the Internet scaring yourself further.
 
Portvaldes said:
I took really strong mdma 2 weeks ago...
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what do you mean by "really strong mdma"? do you mean a very large dose? how much? do you mean it was very pure? how would you know? was it tested? how?

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
what do you mean by "really strong mdma"? do you mean a very large dose? how much? do you mean it was very pure? how would you know? was it tested? how?

alasdair
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It was from deep web, and it was a tame impala concert so I wanted to really feel it. Rolled a 0.6g bomb and started hallucinating seeing horse heads on people in the concert and people were 2D, later that night I dropped another 0.3 and before I went to sleep I had very intense closed eye visuals
 
Brutal honesty? I've had palinopsia, anxiety, trails, etc for two years now after a few slightly-too-frequent 2C-B trips and one accidental (but slight) MDMA overdose, in the final month of a 3-month run of monthly use. These were also my first times experimenting with those substances and my prior substance experience had been cannabis + alcohol (1-2 years), and LSD + psilocybin, a few months before this incident.

The effects began after first using MDMA but only lasted a short while after coming down, but by the end of that usage period they were seemingly permanent. The MDMA and 2C-B was not only reagent tested but GC/MS (lab) tested, as was everything else is taken before it (and since). I've tried all manner of self-help cures (herbal medicines and supplements etc) and also seeked medical attention, even having an MRI scan, but there was nothing they could do.

The severity has reduced massively in the past year after quitting MDMA for good but largely I have had to learn to live with it. I still hope it will go some day but who knows. Unfortunately it ruined my enjoyment of cannabis, LSD and psilocybin which had never previously caused me any issues. Sorry to hear that you're suffering from this, it sucks.

I think we have a lot to learn about the extent of the effects of MDMA and novel psychedelics like 2C-B, and have learnt my lesson to be much more careful with experimentation in the future. If I had left it to one or two sessions with each drug and left more time between, things might be different.
 
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Brutal honesty? I've had palinopsia, anxiety, trails, etc for two years now after a few slightly-too-frequent 2C-B trips and one accidental (but slight) MDMA overdose, in the final month of a 3-month run of monthly use. These were also my first times experimenting with those substances and my prior substance experience had been cannabis + alcohol (1-2 years), and LSD + psilocybin, a few months before this incident.

The effects began after first using MDMA but only lasted a short while after coming down, but by the end of that usage period they were seemingly permanent. The MDMA and 2C-B was not only reagent tested but GC/MS (lab) tested, as was everything else is taken before it (and since). I've tried all manner of self-help cures (herbal medicines and supplements etc) and also seeked medical attention, even having an MRI scan, but there was nothing they could do.

The severity has reduced massively in the past year after quitting MDMA for good but largely I have had to learn to live with it. I still hope it will go some day but who knows. Unfortunately it ruined my enjoyment of cannabis, LSD and psilocybin which had never previously caused me any issues. Sorry to hear that you're suffering from this, it sucks.

I think we have a lot to learn about the extent of the effects of MDMA and novel psychedelics like 2C-B, and have learnt my lesson to be much more careful with experimentation in the future. If I had left it to one or two sessions with each drug and left more time between, things might be different.
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Thanks so much it's v helpful to hear from someone who's also going through it. I have a few more questions and I'd appreciate it a lottt if you also answered them

So after the first time you had trails etc. they went away and only came back after you took mdma again? (If I got that correct, how long did it take for symptoms to stabilise? These are showing up 2 weeks after taking it)

When you say the severity has reduced massively do you mean the trails become less noticeable and lights became significantly more bearable? Or was it simply the anxiety aspect that you defeated?

Are you back to your old self in terms of any social damage it did etc, confidence etc

I'm quitting all drugs, alcohol and stimulants and beginning exercise and diet, I don't mind living with it at a lesser level I'm just scared of it getting worse?

Thanks again, these answers will really help me going forward mentally
 
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we didn't test it, my friend just got a package and bought it to the concert he said it was 80% purity or something
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It's important for you to test it so that you know what you took. Like Clocktower said before, without a proper identification it's basically pointless to give you advice (since obv what if what you took was something else? Then it may require a different advice/analysis).

Well, did HE test it? If not, then the above applies again.

Be wary. You never know; what if it was Nbome in powder form? 100mg would mean death if it was consumed, never mind 900mg. I'm not surprised you had problems from that kind of dose, not to mention a waste of material. A lot of things don't add up, but assuming this account is true, there are a lot of things that weren't done right in the situation you described.

There's always a reason for things that happen.
 
He didn't test it, we messed up I know. Everyone else took a normal dose and said it felt like normal mdma, only two of us experienced hallucinations.
 
Well, the fact that you're here and posting leads me to believe that you are okay now.

It's all good, but do you know what to do now? It doesn't matter that you messed up, it only matters if you learned from it or not.

Mdma can make you hallucinate (although I haven't really myself, but I've heard that happening to plenty of people IRL), it's just probably different from the tryptamine/phenethylamine type.
 
I'm not though my concern is about the recurring hallucinations (tracers, after images, palinopsia etc)
 
Then go see a doctor. What are you doing on a drug website if you really care about fixing your health problem?

Sure, you might find others going through something similar, but you're just going to end up at a doctor's because no one's going to have a cure for your condition ready to hand over to you here.
 
I'm on here looking for support, advice from people who are knowledgeable or experienced in what I'm going through/about to go through, not criticism on what I should've done. I'm seeing a doctor but it's evident they can't fix this, just looking for advice and success stories is that not a thing on here?
 
Really? You asked for brutal honesty and I gave it to you. What are you complaining about?

Honestly, you should go see a mental health specialist while you're at it. Smh.
 
Hi Port, so there are two possible things at play here, one is called acephalgic migraine and is unlikely but it's a possibility, there other is fairly common with MDMA/psychedelics and is called HPPD. HPPD typically improves with time and worsens under periods of anxiety and especially sleep deprivation, and honestly the symptoms of HPPD come about with solely sleep deprivation so if you have accumulated a sleep debt I would relax because it's going to improve a lot as you pay your sleep debt over the next couple of months. HPPD has no cure though and we still don't full understand it, it's one of those things that doctors don't really know about too unfortunately, but even if they were aware of this phenomenon there isn't anything they can do about it.

What I can tell you from personal experience is that since I've had it for years now I've grown much better at not letting it get to me, it doesn't bother me anymore.

So ultimately I would expect things to improve a lot over the next couple of months but whatever amount of HPPD you are left with you will learn to live with so don't worry too much.
 
Really? So an ophthalmologist wouldn't catch any of that? It seems that it's part mental too, but I would still think visiting one is a good idea. Or I guess that's just me...
 
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