Pills and Female issues (cringe..sorry)

[TooLoco]

Hi I'm new here. But really need to know some information of which I cannot seem to find anywhere online...
And it's kind of really embarrassing.


Firstly I know I'm going to get bashed for the amount of pills I consume. Sounds dumb but although I know I shouldn't do a lot and should always test them... I don't and I do a shocking amount on a weekly basis, mixing them, not testing them and double even triple dropping them. I could easily take 15/20 over a Friday/Saturday/Sunday as I won't go home and go to after parties.

I do actually think my tolerance is ridiculous now as I won't come up after 2 and then yet my mates do, so after the incident that happened to me twice in the last month Iv gone raving and taken nothing....
Here it goes

I went out on one of my normal weekly benders. Came home on the Sunday morning with my boyfriend and friend, they could eat, I can never eat til around breakfast Tuesday so that was normal for me. I had really bad tummy cramps for about 3 hours. So I got in the bath. I got out of the bath and I swear I felt like I was having a miscarriage. I was pouring with blood and it was clotting(I'm so sorry for the details) I have a contraceptive implant in my arm so can definitely not be pregnant. It was so heavy it went through super tampons and pads together. Plus I had only come of my period the previous Tuesday.

Anyway my friend who was out with me doing the same stuff called me the next morning at 9 saying she just got to work and the exact same thing happened to her.

It then happen do me again the following week. Where I mix pills I can't pin point what pill I took that could have given me this problem.

I'm wondering if any other girls have experienced this so I know ow to avoid it in the future or if anyone knows a link between our menstrual cycles and Mdma?

Once again I'm so sorry for the details in my post but it's the only place I could be sure someone must know someone who has a sister it happened to an not yahoo answers.

Cheers

Loco

 

[Folley]

Ok... besides the "female problems"... you are rolling WAY too often. If you are talking about going out on "normal benders", you are a drug addict. I know, because I was addicted to "ecstasy" in the same regard, taking 4+ pills EVERY week.


It's now years later and I am still extremely affected by the drug abuse.. I believe it will probably follow me my entire life. Ecstasy is NOT a drug to abuse, after a roll you need a LONG break to let your serotonin/dopamine/prolactin/oxytocin to recover. 5 days isn't even long enough for your body to start THINKING about recovery.



As far as the bleeding.. I don't know, I have a dick. Take a LONG (1 month, at the VERY least. You'll much more likely need 3+ after that kind of abuse to get anywhere NEAR baseline levels of 5-HT though) break and I'd be surprised if this didn't go away with just about every other side effect.

and really.. test your shit. There is absolutely no excuse. Test it. Everytime.

 

[cosmosmariner]

Ok... besides the "female problems"... you are rolling WAY too often. If you are talking about going out on "normal benders", you are a drug addict. I know, because I was addicted to "ecstasy" in the same regard, taking 4+ pills EVERY week.


It's now years later and I am still extremely affected by the drug abuse.. I believe it will probably follow me my entire life. Ecstasy is NOT a drug to abuse, after a roll you need a LONG break to let your serotonin/dopamine/prolactin/oxytocin to recover. 5 days isn't even long enough for your body to start THINKING about recovery.



As far as the bleeding.. I don't know, I have a dick. Take a LONG (1 month, at the VERY least. You'll much more likely need 3+ after that kind of abuse to get anywhere NEAR baseline levels of 5-HT though) break and I'd be surprised if this didn't go away with just about every other side effect.

and really.. test your shit. There is absolutely no excuse. Test it. Everytime.

This^^

But, I have not heard of the bleeding problem as a side effect. I have heard claims that the cycle has been disrupted, (seems plausible). I would take a break of at least six weeks and see if your cycle normalizes. I know it's hard to resist the pull of MDMA, but you must. It'll be worth it, too. I have enjoyed now 4-6 times a year for over a decade. Every time is just as good as the first.

Cos

 

[Folley]

These findings suggest that plasma OT (oxytocin) fluctuates throughout the menstrual cycle in normally cycling healthy fertile women with adequate sexual activity but not taking any oral contraceptive pill.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X04002223

It seems quite likely that the increase (and decrease) of oxytocin and other hormones as a result of MDMA abuse would have some effect on the menstrual cycle


Since you are using a contraceptive implant, it is likely altering your hormones in some way.. perhaps MDMA's action comes into clash with that in some way? Can you ask your friend what her birth control methods are? I know, it's a bit odd... but it's for science

 

[Ryobi]

Surely I can not comment on your "girl problems", but It does not fit in my head - how can you take such a big amount of pills and live after that. I mean where is the come down, the ugly feeling, that you don't want live anymore ?! How do you feel between your rolls ?

 

[Clocktower]

I do a shocking amount on a weekly basis, mixing them, not testing them and double even triple dropping them. I could easily take 15/20 over a Friday/Saturday/Sunday as I won't go home and go to after parties.

Stuff like this is the reason why BL advises users not to take untested drugs, not to take MDMA weekly, not to take massive doses of MDMA, not to mix pills, etc. That kind of behavior is asking for trouble, and now you've run into trouble. Add in the hormones being released by your implant and you're well into uncharted territory.

It's good that you've stopped using MDMA for now. The best way to avoid such problems in the future is almost certainly to tone down your use (way down) and to use a test kit.

 

[zebrafish]

Hi I'm new here. But really need to know some information of which I cannot seem to find anywhere online...
And it's kind of really embarrassing.


Firstly I know I'm going to get bashed for the amount of pills I consume. Sounds dumb but although I know I shouldn't do a lot and should always test them... I don't and I do a shocking amount on a weekly basis, mixing them, not testing them and double even triple dropping them. I could easily take 15/20 over a Friday/Saturday/Sunday as I won't go home and go to after parties.

I do actually think my tolerance is ridiculous now as I won't come up after 2 and then yet my mates do, so after the incident that happened to me twice in the last month Iv gone raving and taken nothing....
Here it goes

I went out on one of my normal weekly benders. Came home on the Sunday morning with my boyfriend and friend, they could eat, I can never eat til around breakfast Tuesday so that was normal for me. I had really bad tummy cramps for about 3 hours. So I got in the bath. I got out of the bath and I swear I felt like I was having a miscarriage. I was pouring with blood and it was clotting(I'm so sorry for the details) I have a contraceptive implant in my arm so can definitely not be pregnant. It was so heavy it went through super tampons and pads together. Plus I had only come of my period the previous Tuesday.

Anyway my friend who was out with me doing the same stuff called me the next morning at 9 saying she just got to work and the exact same thing happened to her.

It then happen do me again the following week. Where I mix pills I can't pin point what pill I took that could have given me this problem.

I'm wondering if any other girls have experienced this so I know ow to avoid it in the future or if anyone knows a link between our menstrual cycles and Mdma?

Once again I'm so sorry for the details in my post but it's the only place I could be sure someone must know someone who has a sister it happened to an not yahoo answers.

Cheers

Loco

Hi TooLoco,

While I haven't read anything about MDMA causing menstrual-like bleeding, that does not mean it is not reported or not possible. How long have you been on this contraceptive? Have your periods been normal since using this contraceptive? Is your friend who experience the same thing also using this contraceptive?

Normally, in the menstrual cycle there is a sudden surge of Leutenizing Hormone that triggers ovulation and a dramatic increase in progesterone. This rise in progesterone causes a feedback loop to suppress secretion of Leutenizing Hormone and Follicle Stimulating Hormone from the pituitary gland. This causes progresterone to drop again which triggers menstruation.

MDMA causes a dramatic rise in prolactin. Prolactin suppresses secretion of Leutenizing Hormone and Follicle Stimulating Hormone from the pituitary. With the acute rise in prolactin, your Leutenizing Hormone levels and subsequently your progesterone levels may quickly drop. This may trigger a shedding of your endometrium lining, aka a premature menstrual period.

You are smart not to do anymore MDMA for the time being. I would go see your OB/GYN physician to make sure everything is ok with your contraception, as well as making sure there are no problems with your uterus, and that you have an otherwise normal pelvic exam and hormonal profile. As long as you continue taking the contraception, my guess is everything will be ok as far as your periods are concerned, because the estrogen/progesterone released from your contraception continuously suppress LH/FSH secretion from the pituitary. So even if you have pituitary dysfunction now, it will be masked by your contraceptive as far as your reproductive function is concerned.

Please be careful and responsible with MDMA. It has far and wide reaching effects and interactions with systems that we do not fully understand.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

if you want to absue a drug pick, coke heroin, meth, ketamine, basically ANYTHING except MDMA. you may end up dead if you abuse heroin. but you will end up wishing you were dead for decades if you abuse MDMA. sounds like the H OD would be easier on you (but not your loved ones)… this sounds harsh. but since its your first post…scrolls through the MDMA longterm comedown threads on here. it has caused ppl to kill themselves

 

[TooLoco]

I'm not quite sure how to tag everyone so I'm going to reply individually...

Hopefully it works.

Thank you for your reply.

I understand I should test my stuff but it just seems so Long buying a testing kit buying drugs before hand testing th and then taking them. I sound so ignorant and immature but can you understand what I'm saying?

I defo am going on a break.

Thank you again folley I really appreciate your reply x

 

[TooLoco]

Yeah that didn't work.. I hope you guys check for my responses as I really want you to understand how much I appreciate your messages

So

Cos:

I feel I need to teach myself to be able to go out without having to do drugs it's a norm for me to go out and do it. I don't feel I'm addicted because I don't crave it during the week etc. I dunno

Folley:

My friend is on the pill. So it is different to mine it was just odd that we experienced the exact same problem.

Ryobi:

For some unknown weird reason I don't feel I experience comedowns. I'm a very happy person in general and don't let things get to me. I meditate a lot so when my mates are feeling shit on a Monday/Tuesday I'm fine same old me. The most that happens is I'm just extremely tired. Which is probs due to being awake for 3 days.

Clock tower:

I understand what you're saying which is why I've stopped for the time being, I'm trying to train myself to be able to go out and not HAVE TO take anything. Not feel just coz my mates are doesn't mean I have to. As I still enjoy house and tech and would love to still go out and enjoy myself and socialise without that feeling of needing to take something.

Zebrafish:

I've had my implant since July, normal periods if not lighter which is a side affect to the implant.
My friends on the pill. Not sure which one?! Your comment was very technical I hardly understood it but after reading over and over again I kind of get your drift and it sounds about right

I recently had my first smear test a few weeks ago and it came back normal no abnormal cells or anything and I spoke to my dr but didn't mention drugs maybe I should.

Square roots:

I'm so sorry
Thank you for your concern and your honesty.

Please guys if you have any threads you think I should read please message them to me. This website is so huge I don't know where to start.

 

[JWills20]

I feel I need to teach myself to be able to go out without having to do drugs it's a norm for me to go out and do it. I don't feel I'm addicted because I don't crave it during the week etc. I dunno

That's not the point with MDMA. As drugs go, it's probably one of the least addictive drugs you'll ever take (unless you're getting speed/MDMA pills). You're simply doing what lots of people do and generalizing the dangers of drug use (which are usually all about addiction) to any drug. MDMA has different, but nevertheless very real, dangers. As I'm sure you know, MDMA is a powerful releasor of serotonin. While it's unlikely that you'll become psychologically or physically addicted to this release, if you take the drug consistently, and in high doses, you can cause damage to this system. The serotonin system is not to be regularly fucked with and while many appear to get away with it, long-term abuse is certainly dangerous. You're already noticing why this drug shouldn't be taken very often - because it simply stops working like it used to/ takes very high doses to work. You need to listen to these signs and listen to yourself. All well and good saying you know you should test and not take it so often, but if you're still going to do it, what's the point in posting on this forum?

There is a realistic chance that your excessive MDMA use is causing the menstrual problems. Serotonin is a very important modulator of hormones specifically relevant to the menstrual cycle (and sexual things in guys too). Taking MDMA every week, and in very high doses, is not enough time for your serotonin to safely recover and this could be sending your hormonal balance out of whack, resulting in the problems.

I'm not one for telling people to stop taking drugs (I usually advocate it haha), but your use really is ridiculous and not safe. Try taking a long break of at least 3 months. If anything, you'll reset your tolerance (so remember that before you decide to triple drop and end up chewing your face off, sweating like a pig and generally having no idea what's going on for 2-3 hours).

You should go to a doctor again. If you're open and willing to tell him you take MDMA, then tell him what you told us and see what he/she has to say. Doctors are not allowed to tell anyone what you tell them under a legal act (can't remember the exact name).

Bottom line: Listen to yourself and stop taking MDMA so often and in high doses and go to a doctor about your menstruation problem.

 

[questforstarfish]

Zebrafish:

Your comment was very technical I hardly understood it but after reading over and over again I kind of get your drift and it sounds about right

Tooloco, here is a basic summary of what all those fancy words and complicated (but very thorough!) explanations that Zebrafish told you meant:


Basically, MDMA causes the release of a hormone that normally initiates your period. It's called "prolactin." When you take MDMA, prolactin levels rise and it triggers your uterus to shed its lining, so basically you get an early period.



HOWEVER. The fact that it caused such intense bleeding, and in both you and your friend when neither of you have had that happen before, is really fucking sketchy to me. I've heard of women spotting after taking MDMA, but never gushing blood like you describe. In my opinion, you now have 3 options:

1) You can never take MDMA again.

2) You can take MDMA in the future, untested, and/or in the amounts you would normally take, and risk having long-term serious, serious health problems that can be as bad as suicidal thoughts and actions (you may not feel it now, but it can come with time, sometimes even after you quit MDMA), severe anxiety problems, liver damage, and brain damage. We have not done NEARLY enough research on MDMA to possibly know the long-term effects on your brain, but you will find a number of posts on this forum written by people who abused MDMA and are still struggling with the effects over a year later.

3) You can buy a test kit, test every single MDMA pill you buy, seriously cut down on your use, and see what happens. A test kit costs roughly $50 (depending where you live. Buy from Dancesafe or google "reagent test MDMA") and gives you a hundred uses, and it could save your life. YOUR LIFE. This is not childsplay: people DIE all the time from taking what they thought was MDMA. Sell your clothes if you have to, save $10 a week on groceries for a month if you have to, have a bake sale, do whatever you need to do in order to get the money together to know what the fuck drug you're taking! There are literally hundreds of chemicals out there being sold as MDMA, and many of them are completely unresearched or are known to be dangerous.
Now take a break for at least a month, at the very least. 3 months would be significantly better but if you really can't manage, please fight to reach a month. This will help your brain and hormones to recover a bit, and will decrease your tolerance (and in that time, you can save for, order and await the arrival of your test kit!). Then, cut back to taking a couple of tested pills one night, once a month at the very most. Scour these forums and read as much as you possibly can about MDMA to learn about how to minimize harm to yourself.



You need to take care of yourself, sister- doing MDMA can be quite safe if taken in small doses infrequently, and if the quality is tested. It can be deadly if not. You know what you need to do now. Good luck

 

[Folley]

$50 for a kit is for the bundle pack, typically Marquis, Mecke and either Simons or Mandelin.. sometimes both.



You can buy a marquis for less than half of that, and it's probably the most decisive test there is anyway. Obviously however the more reagents you have, the higher your chance of pinpointing what's in your pill.

 

[F1n1shed]

As someone who does heroin daily, your usage makes me cringe. I'm not saying quit drugs, but MDMA is NOT something you want to take often. It can seriously fuck your brain up for years on end, at least when i quit heroin i feel completely normal after withdrawals. Switch your party drug, or suffer consequences.

 

[Ryobi]

" at least when I quit heroin ... " - sorry, but sounds so optimistic...

 

[questforstarfish]

$50 for a kit is for the bundle pack, typically Marquis, Mecke and either Simons or Mandelin.. sometimes both.



You can buy a marquis for less than half of that, and it's probably the most decisive test there is anyway. Obviously however the more reagents you have, the higher your chance of pinpointing what's in your pill.

Sorry, you're right, I was including shipping! Including shipping to Canada I ended up paying $40 or $50 for one kit. (still worth it though, obviously!)

 

[F1n1shed]

" at least when I quit heroin ... " - sorry, but sounds so optimistic...

Um.. I've quit many times before. Yes I've come back but i take huge breaks in between when i run out, don't generalize people.

 

[fakeplastictrees4]

girl, that is messed up.

The fact that both you and your friend experienced it is so strange... are you two very close? Maybe you're just synced up?
MDMA has caused changes in my menstrual cycles before, along with other drugs. Although it only happened when I was taking it more habitually. Also not to mention when I was going through puberty too, so I sure was one hormonal teenager. I don't take it often anymore, probably 3 times in the last 9 months. When you develop a tolerance to drugs then they have a big impact on your body. I don't know what to tell you other than try and curb your use. It will have an effect on you wether you feel it now or not.

 

[Cheshire1017]

I have had a similar experience. I prefer rectal administration, because I find it gets rid of a lot of the stomach troubles involved with MDMA. I will no longer use within one week of my cycle date, because I find that it causes horrible cramps and significant bleeding. I thought this may be attributed to the way that I administer?

A year or so back, I passed out and bled on the floor the morning following. It was a horrible experience, because my body was so overwhelmed.

I also find that my method of administration causes warmness in all female areas. I don't know if this is related either.

 

[kateee]

Hey, I'm a journalist writing a feature about MDMA and periods. I'd love to talk to you about your experiences. If you could give me an email at [email protected], that would be awesome. x