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Phenylpropylaminopentane and the stuffmonger debauchle.

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Ok, knock yourselves out. The top half is ion traces of some diagnostic ions. The bottom half is the subtracted EI mass spectrum. It was acquired on an Agilent 6890/5973.

m/z 281 is there, but it's signal to noise ratio is about the same as in this thread. 8)

A couple of hints...

m/z 126 is the butylpyrrolidinium ion characteristic of pyrovalerones.
m/z 127 is methylenedioxyphenyl +6 Da. Of course, 127 is also the isotope peak of 126, but it's abundance is too high. MDPV has 121 instead of 127.
m/z 155 is methylenedioxybenzenecarbonyl + 6 Da. MDPV has 149 instead of 155.
m/z 238 results form the loss of a propyl radical from the molecular ion at 281. The propyl loss is characteristic of pyrovalerones. MDPV has 232 resulting from the loss of a propyl radical from the molecular ion at 275.
m/z 84 is a methylenepyrrolidinium ion arising from a propyl loss from m/z 126. I didn't show its ion trace because it was displayed in yellow and didn't print well.

Once again, this might be the Tan Stuff. It might just as well be something entirely different.
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This is all the useful data I could fish out. It smells like contamination to me.
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Edit: This stinks of contamination.
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vecktor said:
I didn't save it, perhaps he will be kind enough to repost it here
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I'd rather not do that, because I fear it might earn me another warning for synthesis discussion or something.

In the end, I came to the same conclusion as sekio. I didn't add that piece of information to the other thread, because it was closed and archived before it dawned on me. How naphyrone got into a certified reference standard for MDPV is beyond me, but it seems to have been the case. The MDPV mystery remains unsolved.

To those of you who still believe in the stuffmonger story, I would suggest that you look into MC4R ligands.

Oh and I'm a she btw, not a he. Not that it matters much anyway.
 
Alcyone said:
I'd rather not do that, because I fear it might earn me another warning for synthesis discussion or something.

In the end, I came to the same conclusion as sekio. I didn't add that piece of information to the other thread, because it was closed and archived before it dawned on me. How naphyrone got into a certified reference standard for MDPV is beyond me, but it seems to have been the case. The MDPV mystery remains unsolved.

To those of you who still believe in the stuffmonger story, I would suggest that you look into MC4R ligands.

Oh and I'm a she btw, not a he. Not that it matters much anyway.
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sorry for mis-assigning your gender :) I didn't have a lot to go on, (that's always my usual excuse anyway.)

don't worry about getting another warning, if someone does warn you I will fight your corner, because this is interesting and possibly important.

who knows what pharmacology the related pyrrolidinones have...
 
vecktor said:
sorry for mis-assigning your gender :)
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No worries! For some reason, people in here tend to think I'm an Italian dude. :\
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcyone, my life story in a nutshell. ;)

Back to the topic. I won't discuss my feeble and utterly failed attempt to uncover the tan MDPV mystery, but I'll go as far as to second those who've already stated that MDPV won't convert into phenylpropylaminopentane by accident.
 
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MC4R ligands? shame I don't have a pubmed account.

Not sure why most people would mistake you for Italian, people not very big on greek mythology anymore? Hope not :p
 
probably the most interesting and valuable thread on this site in forever and it gets bogged down in moronic quagmire. good to see it's back.

good work
 
Whoops! Not pubmed. Was on autopilot and filled in the name of my favorite medical journal that I have access to :x

I will gladly send a sample to anyone who has the equipment and is interested in analyzing this and finding out what it is. All I can really do is guess. It is a tan colored, clumpy, scaly.. stuff. You could say it's earthy smelling, if you think the earth smells like concentrated semen.
 
I'm just stopping by here to say that we can all stop wracking our brains over this. The culprit we are all looking for is α-PVP. Very simple substance, simply mdpv without the methylenedioxy ring. I hope I am not breaking any rules by stating this, I don't think this is synth discussion really, I just wanted to put the spectacle to rest.
 
Would you care to elaborate? (without straying into any synthesis talk, please)

Are you saying you have identified α-PVP as a constituent of "tan MDPV"? That would have to be the result of contamination or mislabelling, because IMO there's no way MDPV would decompose into α-PVP (except in very specific conditions which we shall not discuss here).
 
Zara23 said:
I'm just stopping by here to say that we can all stop wracking our brains over this. The culprit we are all looking for is α-PVP. Very simple substance, simply mdpv without the methylenedioxy ring. I hope I am not breaking any rules by stating this, I don't think this is synth discussion really, I just wanted to put the spectacle to rest.
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You seem very sure of this, do you have a source for this info?
 
Glad to see this thread revived too. People needn't walk on egg-shells: this wasn't particularly close to synth discussion in the first place.

ebola
 
I tried MDPPP, snorted doses of around 5mg if I remember. I went through a whole gram in a couple of days. Didn't try any other ROA
 
Having sampled a confirmed authentic sample of naphyrone MDPV in no way resembles it. Naphyrone is a long lasting, dirty stimulant type high, tastes like melting plastic when vaped with subsequent pain in lungs, and had none of the aphrodesiac qualities of MDPV. It is also more than active at 5 mg and there was no compulsion to redose anything except valium to make it stop...
Note that I had 2 grams of the original tan batch and as well as quite a few batches of white MDPV. There is simply nothing that compared with that first European batch. I always wondered if stereochemistry was to blame for the difference but what do I know ...
 
Alcyone said:
Would you care to elaborate? (without straying into any synthesis talk, please)

Are you saying you have identified α-PVP as a constituent of "tan MDPV"? That would have to be the result of contamination or mislabelling, because IMO there's no way MDPV would decompose into α-PVP (except in very specific conditions which we shall not discuss here).
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Let's be clear here. We're not talking about a normal degradation process. Since it was said that we don't have to walk on eggshells, I'll state the obvious: stuffmonger believed his process was accidentally discovered when someone attempting to freebase the stuff just kinda left it out. (See...? no real chemistry that someone already experimenting with the stuff might not already accidentally perform in order to use it... ie, this is not synthesis discussion. Forgive me, and how much of a noob I am, if I've crossed a line here.)

Also please forgive dragging out an old thread, but I signed up partly to discuss this idea, as I've been following it for years.

I believe the true identity of the original tan and what stuffmonger came up with may NOT be one-and-the-same. However, I suspect the "origian tan" or the stuffmonger product may be 3',4'-Methylenedioxy-α-pyrrolidinobutyrophenone also known as MDPBP. I have seen the non-MD version (a-pbp) and it seems to have some of the properties alleged of the old tan, particularly when based. I have, of course, seen a-pvp as well... similar, but some distinct differences.

I have not, however, been able to put this idea to the test. MDPBP does not seem very common to the market, for some reason I'm still trying to understand.....
 
That thread was so fishy, John Mcafee brewing mdpv analogs in the jungle and buying boats for the local drug enforcement agency while starting his own legal highs company? except instead of brewing analogs he was using sophisticated equipment to seemingly do wacked out jungle experiments that seemed surprisingly unscientific (e.g. he supposedly couldn't understand the chemistry of what he was doing or what he was producing through his supposed degradation process). It was all really fucked up and probably a hoax imo. But definitely one of the most entertaining threads I've ever read on BL. I also do think it may have been John Mcafee wacked out on MDPV doing crazy shit in the jungle trying to brew legal highs hahahaa

The shit Stuffmonger was saying about his supposed MDPV derived super drug were absolutely off the wall crazy bullshit. He was saying it was making people just fuck anyone and anything, that someone he gave it to, fucked his dog. Crazy shit.I think he was saying he had the whole island sewed up with his tan super sex mdpv analog (except he didn't even use the word analog)...super sex drug...ugh....

So I don't think any real drug exists that does what stuffmonger was claiming his super drug did. Certainly none of the drugs mentioned above.

And it somehow supposedly all boiled down to him trying to develop 'female viagra' or some crazy assed shit through his biotech company? haha

whatever the hell that guy who may have been john mcafee did other than lie alot and maybe fuck around in the jungle, is open to speculation, but he definitely brewed one of the most epic threads in BL history!
 
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