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Peruvian Torch Powder

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I have acquired 250grams of powdered Peruvian Torch cactus, and I am wondering how much I should eat for a moderate to strong trip.

I know cactus vary greatly in potency, but I just want a ballpark figure for a good dosage.

Also, I've heard the powder tastes absolutely vile. If there are any preperations to make the taste more tolerable, I would appreciate it.

I don't want to do a full out A/B extraction, mostly because I am too lazy. But, I would consider doing a small solvent extraction on a couple ounces of powder. I was planning to soak it in a solvent like isopropanol for 24 hours, then evaporate it and be left with mescaline freebase tar (among other things). This would be far from an A/B, but it would be more edible than the original product. Is this a reasonable plan? Is there any reason it would not work?

Thanks a lot.
 
have you checked erowid?
this link may help.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/peyote/
Mescaline is fantastic btw. I have only had it once in a San Pedro brew but it was very gentle and my thoughts is that it would remain that way in even higher doses. Mescaline is not considered THE 'reference phenethylamine' without good reason.

I would suggest reading, dosing low and working your way up slowly. Making a tea may help as would putting the powder into capsules.

best of luck.
 
I've heard that the iso extract works, leaving a kind of "fruit roll up" of alkaloids, but no where hear as good as an acid/base extraction.

I have never done either, although I have worked with Peruvian Torch powder many times. My prefered method, so far, is to simply capsulize the powder into 00 caps, each holding approximately 1 gram each. I have had significantly noticeable trips with as low as 15 grams, but much better overall experiences with upwards of 35 gram+

For a starter, to test the strength of the powder you should probably try 25-30 grams to "test the waters", so to speak.

I have also had much better trips by combining the cacti with a few grams of Syrian Rue, which can increase the cacti potency by up to 3 times.

Happy tripping!
 
Thanks for the quick responses, guys. I really appreciate it.

Downing dozens of capsules just doesn't appeal to me, so I think I will try the extraction with the IPA. I've been told this will get rid of the fibers, but it will leave the alkaloids and plant fats.

Either way, I'll start out with 30grams. Thanks a lot for the information about the Syrian Rue. I never knew combining an MAOI with Mescaline made it stronger, I've only heard of that with oral DMT.

Thanks a lot. I'll definately check out that link, and I'll use an MAOI when I trip.
 
You might want to lower the dose if your going to use Rue or another MAOI, as it will greatly increase the potency, possibly making it seam more like 90 grams, which could possibly be to intense for your first time.

Also, follow all the MAOI precautions when you try it.
 
Also, follow all the MAOI precautions when you try it.
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be sure to read up on any information you can when using MAOIs with whatever drug you are attempting to potentiate, because it can be dangerous or even harmful in certain situations.
 
MAOI's are a definite no no with powdered cactus. There are many species of mescaline containing cacti (some very closely related to peruvian torch / san pedro and almost indistunguishable) that contain other alkaloids that cause serious complications when mixed.

I remember encountering a specimen sold legally in Japan marketed as san pedro but was actually one of those close cousins, it turned out to not be safe to mix with an MAOI. This is not something worth taking a chance with, dont fry your brains with serotonin syndrome, not fun at all.
 
theWorldWithin said:
MAOI's are a definite no no with powdered cactus. There are many species of mescaline containing cacti (some very closely related to peruvian torch / san pedro and almost indistunguishable) that contain other alkaloids that cause serious complications when mixed.

I remember encountering a specimen sold legally in Japan marketed as san pedro but was actually one of those close cousins, it turned out to not be safe to mix with an MAOI. This is not something worth taking a chance with, dont fry your brains with serotonin syndrome, not fun at all.
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I think you are taking the "danger" slightly out of proportion.

Many people have safely and successfully combined Syrian Rue, as an MAOI with Mescaline-containing cacti, look at all the glowing reports (albeit several negative ones, as well) on erowid.

Many people think that Syrian Rue is as dangerous as other MAOI's, but Rue is highly reversible, and very selective to target MAOI-B.

I have had lots of experience mixing many drugs with Rue for potentiation, and I have never had as slight as a headache, even eating half a pound of cheese (tyramine-containing) to no ill effects. I have also taken several hundred milligrams of MDMA at the peak of a Mimosa/Syrian Rue trip, also with no ill effects.
 
Using an MAOI would probably be ok, provided that you took the proper precautions and made sure you were not on any medications or whatnot that interact poorly; however, I wouldn't suggest it for your first attempt.
edit: based on reports from other people on this thread, this combination may not always be safe. Many people have still reported glowing experiences with this combination. As usual, YMMV.

I would suggest a starting dosage of around 30g, no MAOI. If that seems too weak, experiment with a higher dose or add a small amount of an MAOI next time.

I've tried powdered cactus once. I made the unfortunate mistake of mixing it with water. Do not do this. It bloats up to a few times its dry volume of disgusting cactus slime. I parachuted about 20g worth of slime before one burst in my mouth and i stopped lest I vomit. I had a mild trip, not noticeably visual before smoking excessive amounts of pot.
 
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Thanks guys. I'll look into using an MAOI on another trip, but I guess I'll do the first one without it.

How much should I expect to vomit after eating an ounce of this stuff? I was under the impression that the nausea would be mild, but my friend told me that she spent almost an hour hunched over the toilet after she drank some of a similar product...Is that because she mixed it with water? Would I get less sick if I ate the powder and then smoked a bowl?
 
Personally after eating 25 dried grams of peruvian torch powder I was puking up pigs in a blanket like a sick fucking dog for 48 hours. Totally forgot about any "trip" as I was so sick. Never tried taking dried powder again. I'd always recomend an extract.

Your mileage may vary.
 
It really depends on how strong your stomach is. Personally, I've never thrown up from eating less then 50 dried grams, but the one time I tried mixing with water, I couldn't keep it down for more then 10 minutes.
 
I have mixed syrian rue with a trichocereus cactus... it was exceedingly crazy, but I wouldn't call it dangerous.
 
Tyramine has been reported present in some analyses of t. peruvianus. I think that's an indication that mixing maoi's with some trichocereus cacti may be dangerous indeed.
 
An acquaintance mixed some sort of plant-derived MAOI with san pedro a few years ago, and was probably very near having a serious incident. He felt an intense pressure in the head, skull-cracking headache, vomiting, etc.

Maybe if you knew you had pure mescaline it might be something to look into if you just really feel the need, but I would never take it with a raw plant extract or vegetable matter from one of those cacti.
 
You SHOULD NOT mix cacti and maoi's.San Pedro Cacti has tyramine in it which
should never be mixed w/ maoi. Just because people have done it doesnt mean
its right and they really should have done more research as tyramine is in the
cacti in moderate amounts.
I like to do a full mescaine extraction w/ sodium hydroxide etc, but an easy way
to get the usable alkaloids out of the cacti is:

Do a normal snot juice extraction then put the slime/juice in front of a fan
and wait till juice becomes dehydrated. There will be a brown crystally resin
left. Put in capsules or roll into balls and swallow.

THIS IS A GREAT TEK FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE TO USE CHEMISTRY OR
POLAR/NONPOLAR EXTRACTIONS!!
 
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what a 'normal snot juice extraction' is. If someone could give me a link, I would really appreciate it.

This cactus is really vile, and I'd really appreciate it if someone could show me an easy way to make it so I don't have to consume quite as much of it. :D
 
mescaline is quite the teacher look forward to a great journey my friend

about some of your questions... as you said cacti can very greatly so for your first trip if your not extracting pure mesc to determine dosage, then test the waters of your cacti with 20-25 grams.

oh also fuck all of the simple snotty tea ways to ingest it, yes you are ingesting less, but believe drinking cacti is is fucking vile. just parachute your dose with multiple parachutes... you shouldnt have to taste anything.

abd remeber, refrain from puking as long as you can (ive actually never puked on mesc before but for some its definitely a problem. plan a 12 hour time frame for tripping and also mescaline is just one of those drugs thats ment to be done in nature.

good luck
 
mycotopia said:
-Soak the powdered cactus in a strong alcohol such as Everclear (190proof) or Bacardi 151. Use just enough to cover the powder plus an inch or more in a jar that you can shake up.

-Shake it periodically throughout the day. Every 24 hrs drain off the alcohol and set it aside. Continue this process untill the color is no longer changing, and it pours off clear.

-Combine the extractions into one tub and evaporate the alcohol using low heat or a fan. You're left with a thick tar like substance that contains the alkaloids.
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This is from another forum.

I was thinking of using Isopropanol, since I don't feel like wasting money on everclear when ISO will work just as well...

Anyways, does anyone see a reason why this would not work? I've been told that because of alcohol's polar AND nonpolar properties, this extraction would also bring along any fats and lipids in the cactus matter.

If anyone has used this (or a similar tek), I'd love to hear about it. Anything that isn't chugging cactus sludge would definately be an improvement for me. :D
 
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