Right I understand that, I'm thinking they just have a lil too much filler. Try doing a CWE on a few then filter the yield u get from the CWE all the while adding a lil ice to the CWE and the CWE yield that you filter. maybe but that's just a thought. I forgot the pills probably have changed but I know for a fact no one I knew would shoot under a boxed m 15 and even that was pushing it. that may be the reason why we were always told we couldn't shoot or chase under a 15mg Oxy on foil. too much filler in em.