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NSW - Random Drug Searching on Public Transport

Allow me to throw in my $0.02....
The cops are doing their job. Like them or hate them, they've been told what to do from on high, and it's their job just to do it, not question or complain. I know a couple of cops, and they have a reasonably liberal (small l) attitude towards drugs. They too would like to see the big boys taken down, and they too find it annoying to eat time chasing some poor candy raver with a couple of pills in their pocket.
Now, some thoughts on travelling safely...
Double-bag your stash. Pills / speed / whatever, inside a satty inside another satty.. Let's see Fido sniff his way through that one!
Take alternative PT routes, or combine with a lift. For example, get a train to Strathfield, then split cab fare to Homebush.
Work the percentages. The police will be targeting FOUR 'major transport routes'. I'm thinking that yes, the Homebush run will be one of these, and think about where most ppl are coming from into the city. Perhaps a bus rather than a train, or even a ferry?
Don't freak out. If a sniffer dog wanders your way, breathe a couple of times and carry on doing whatever it is you were doing.
All the best to everyone, take care out there!
Wire.
 
just a quick note - its early but ill try to be as fluid as possible.
*hypothetically speaking* or *i heard a story about* a guy just sitting there in darling harbour having his lunch as you do. All of a sudden he had a dog sniffing at his crotch. anyway some plain clothes police were there asking him all sorta of questions about wether he was carrying drugs on him. (he did have some marijuana for personal use)
anyway he denied this and generally shut up, and to his suprise the police grunted and walked away.
it seems like anyone looking like theyre carrying a small amount of drugs isnt worth taking to the station and searching. they just used to put the pressure on and hope people would cough up drugs. (and then how many would be written down at the end of the day, and how many kept?)
anyway thats old news, but still it may be relevant in a way.
"searches on public transport" - now how are the police gunna go about this? are they just stripping people infront of the general public and going the cavity search then and there?
and if not then and theyre are they gonna drag you off the train down some dark alley? sounds messy to me....
and if so all for one lousy pill from one person? sounds like alot of work. maybe its just a further intimidation tactic because people werent coughing up theyre drugs that much anyway?
anyway thats my 2c have a think about it :)
 
The best thing you can do is avoid carrying drugs on public transport. That way, you can't be caught. It's a pretty invasive situation when the police can search at will, without a warrant, however resisting and being an arsehole to the police will almost certainly result in them being complete arseholes to you. They're only people trying to do a job, and if someone makes their job hard for them then understandably they get quite pissed off. They CAN make a night out on the town very unpleasant for you, without too much effort.
If you must carry drugs, the avoid public transport. If you're going to carry drugs where there will be sniffer dogs, remember that when you put something in double ziplock bags, particles of that substance (or resin from choof) may cling to your fingers, so once you have sealed the first bag you need to wash your hands very carefully before picking up the second (brand new unused) bag. Open the bag with clean hands, place the full bag inside the clean bag neatly, and then seal with clean hands. It's not foolproof, but it may help.
BigTrancer :)
 
I was actually on a trip to Sydney back at the very start of February this year and the moment I hopped off the plane and into a train...My friend and I were witness to the police coming through our carriage with a sniffer dog. There were two D's in jumpsuits and they stopped next to our seat. The dog started sniffing the guy next to me and it turns out he had some kind of substance in his pocket. Not believing what was happening..I just sat there watching..until the officers patted the dog and gave it some food. Turns out the guy next to me was also an undercover police officer and they were in the process of training the dog! They hopped off the train almost immediately and onto the next train.
I feel sorry for anyone who might have been carrying drugs during this process..but I guess they wouldnt have been allowed to take action back then before the legislation was introduced.
Guess I should have seen this one coming.
So dont think that they wont be on Public Transport just because you havent seen them yet!
 
I'll do it.....
What’s the point in getting all worked up and posting something like that here? If you really do feel so strongly about it go out and make yourself heard.
A few things you may want to think about first tho, although I do think this is a bad idea and can only lead to people driving while on drugs. Drugs are illegal. You are carrying an illegal substance, you really don't have the right to get shitty with a policeman doing his job. The police are only doing what they are told and searching for illegal substances, the dogs won’t differentiate between the user and the dealer they just find what their trained to find. The fact that this will in no way affect the illicit drug trade and only impact apon the average recreational drug user is not of concern to them.
Your getting worked up over the politicians who are spending all your tax dollars making up these stupid policies and giving the already overburdened police force another stupid job to do. Maybe the money would be more wisely spent in the school systems teaching poeple to read and write ;)
The simple thing to do is to avoid carrying illicit substances on public transport, if you have to do it just be careful about it. I'm sure this is probably a political stunt and after they make themselves seen for a couple of weeks and the media forget about it we won't hear anything more about it.
:)
/end rant
[ 10 May 2002: Message edited by: Fry-d- ]
 
If I was a cop I would be ashamed to be made a part of this obvious and outragous stunt.
I know a few officers, and they really don't like busting 15 year olds with $10 bags. Who else do they hope to catch?
Still, it's happening and bitching on bluelight isn't getting anyone anywhere - you don't like it - act now!
I heard on JJJ a guy say he was going to 'tag' commuters on the train (i.e. brush a small amount of dope on random strangers to attract the dogs). Dogs can smell anything - double bagging your stash isn't going to save you. I think this should work, although the dogs are trained to differentiate between old and new smells (they shouldn't stop you if you've been smoking it - only if you have some on you).
Everyone should collect all thier old bags that - although empty now should still smell like whatever drug and stuff them down between the seats. Got a day spare? fill a couple of bags with ground up parsely or talc and shove them in your pockets. Ensure that you leave the house reeking of narcotics, while not carrying anything but herbs and go find yourself a dog squad. Make sure you are arrested and take up as much of their time as possible.
Can anyone find out where the dogs are patrolling on any given day - and post the areas up on the net?
Don't just whinge about it, get all your friends and all your drugs and get out their and do something about it. If enough people are unjustifiably searched this idiotic idea will be axed.
 
good idea bobrick.
this shits me to tears purely because most likely an innocent person is going to be arrested. yes i know drugs are illegal, but i dont give a shit about any such law - when someone smokes a joint or pops a pill, they arent harming anyone but themselves, if at all (generalisation but you get the picture). and the average partygoer is going to suffer because the fucking government is unwilling to implement an effective harm minimisation strategy. unwilling to educate people. unwilling to learn. unwilling to do anything that might cause the mass population of sheep who vote for them to change their vote, because they dont know any more about drugs than fucking astrophysics.
its all about pushing a legislation that they know will get them votes. FUCKING OPEN UP YOUR OWN EYES AND TEACH THE PEOPLE FIRST.
public transport is my prime method of movement. without buses, id get nowhere. and without trains to homebush, i would rarely get to events at olympic park.
so whos going to feel good on july 13th when 8000 people attend utopia, and roughly 4000 of them come by the train, and people get busted? whos going to enjoy it? whats it going to acheive? someone just give me one reason why this law should be implemented. whats the point? whats the aim?
words cannot describe my hatred for the system.
 
I 100% pure agree that the whole sniffer dogs on public transport is not a good idea, all the cops will be catching is a 15yo teen with half a gram or a bit of speed who is all excited cos he is "cool" and thats really not solving anything. But for most experienced ravers (i may be new to bluelight, but not new to the rave scene) they have a few little tricks for not getting caught (which i wont go into here for obvious reasons) so the whole sniffer dogs thing may scare the shit through me but i figure if i ever even see one (and apart from a friend of a friend who really has?!) i should be ok.
However I also feel that going after the "Mr Bigs" of the scene is not an altogether good idea either, if all the big importers/dealers get done street prices go up an absolute shiteload! i mean the chances of all of them going in a couple of days are slim to none but if the government were to crack down on imports in a major way street prices would sky rocket and surely this would effect us more as a drug using community than an occassional sniffer dog search (unless you make your own).
So as a community i feel we have to choose between the lesser of two evils cos the government has to appear that it is acting on the drug problem in some way. and if i had to choose between a 1 in a million random search on a train or street prices to be raised by 15-20 bucks i know which one i'd choose...
Hey the wallet governs us all.
 
D&awg... nice one... sniffer dog alert got a good publicity wrap on the news this afternoon. I bet half of sydney is registering atm.
I love how the media is such a shit stirrer... whilst the story covered how much the police objected to this site, want to get it shut down, and how morally reprehensible it all was. The media happyily publicised the web address and useful sms warning features it offers. Hehe.. i swear Jessica Rowe was throwing one of these ;) as she read the story.
 
My Opinion :
If they are serious about getting drugs off the streets..
THEY ARE AIMING AT THE WRONG END OF THE PYRAMID!
It is quite obvious that the powers that be are just trying to give the impression that they are doing something about the drug 'problem' by getting a large quantity of small time results..
Synth
 
Bust dealers/imports...
Get 1000 to 50 000 pills off the streets.
Or, bust users, 1-5 pills at a time.
Logic!
 
After writing this yesterday, I thought it may be a bit much, both in content and in length. But after seeing the news article on Sky this morning - hearing ol’ Bob saying they were going to shut down the civil liberties site mentioned by porn*- I thought I should. Solely in the interests of Harm Minimization of course.
If such a strategy proved effective enough for police to employ it permanently, people would likely turn to utilizing some of the more subtle ways to confuse and disorientate animals, e.g. ultrasonics. Transducers small enough for a key ring abound, some of which achieve incredible levels @ 35KHz +. Pain field generators are easily made from piezo tweeters, and could be hidden in anything. No dog could tolerate this without trying to escape. And several of these simultaneously activated would totally confuse a sensitive hearing animal, while humans wouldn’t notice a thing.
There is no law I know of against using them as an animal repellent – in fact they were marketed here (of course that wouldn’t extend to intentionally directing at police or their animals). It might be fair justification though, that a portable device be permanently activated to avoid being bitten by stray dogs.
Despite what has been said of the training of some dogs, there are olfactory irritants which are potent and effective repellants. Why? Because these chemicals interfere with the dogs’ ability to smell, and as this is a major recognition sense, they virtually don’t know where they are. It would be similar to someone blinding and deafening you simultaneously. Bobrick mentioned tagging. While I don’t encourage such ideas, it doesn’t take much figuring that spraying/wiping particular solvent /drug combinations can seriously impregnate a smell into anything. Simple ingenuity would be bound to make a striking appearance in response to this.
If this activity is expanded to raves (as Queensland police are planning) it will result in lots of superfluous legislative changes, causing I believe, public/ police relations to take many steps backwards. Overall distrust may mean harm minimization groups could lose acceptance from punters and police alike, and national drug surveys could become seriously unrepresentative.
In short; authorities and welfare groups could well be viewed as all standing on one side – that of authority, regulation and consequence. Raves could go totally under-ground, and as it would be known that you can score at the gig, much of the previous work done by these groups could go down the drain.
I’m inclined to feel facts like these will mean this strategy will be a flash in a pan move. As a parallel, they have had swab tests for years and have even trialed them during RBTs on the Gold Coast; using a positive response as an excuse to search a car. So why not employ them full time everywhere?
Because among other things, such statistics would shatter the currently conveyed unreality that only a small portion of drivers are under the influence of something. And there simply wouldn’t be the resources to implicate the process.
Imagine that if every 4th car stopped had a driver with something in his system. Perhaps it was a passive smoking from a joint. How could that be determined?
Ironically, if RBT drug tests were introduced, it would probably mean a hastening of drug reform. Acceptable levels would have to be standardised, levels which are currently measured at zero. Implications are enormous and politicians know it.
I think dog searches will make a bold initial police statement, please the commissioner, and probably let the right wing prohibitionists relax in their easy chair with a beer, a cigar, and a double dose of ignorance. But as for long term…..well I could be wrong, but ultimately, as has been said, I don’t think it won’t prove popular with the masses.
[ 21 May 2002: Message edited by: phase_dancer ]
 
i was pleased to see Snifferdogalert.com. lets not fuck the police we all will need them one day (FACT) but by registering with the above site we can fuck the dog squad. Get cops catching crooks not playing with expensive pets.
 
It may turn out that using offensive methods to circumvent snifferdog searches could be considered an obstruction of legal process? Physically striking a police animal whether it is a horse or dog is surely an offence, and therefore interfering with the operation of a sniffer dog would likely be punishable by law.
I'm fairly sure that legal precedents for harming police animals would exist in this area due to protesters/activists at demonstrations being confronted by mounted police. Any thoughts?
BigTrancer :)
 
If you know where they are going to be and you avoid that area be it train station or club. The police minister will see these ridiculous tatics will not yield any results. And funding for the training of snifferdogs will be reduced. i believe the training of dogs to sniff out guns is a good but haw effective is it when the guns are inside the "BMW'S" with Mr Big and kilos of smack. wake up COSTA you are the new kid on the block....
 
If you know where they are going to be and you avoid that area be it train station or club. The police minister will see these ridiculous tatics will not yield any results. And funding for the training of snifferdogs will be reduced. i believe the training of dogs to sniff out guns is a good but haw effective is it when the guns are inside the "BMW'S" with Mr Big and kilos of smack. wake up COSTA you are the new kid on the block....
 
Be safe - Take the train - take drugs - get busted
:(
Avoid the train - Take drugs - crash your car and kill someone
:(
Walk - take drugs - get lost ;)
Meh.... What ever shall we do. You'd think by now they would know scare tactics and all this shit isn't going to stop anyone from taking drugs.
*buys more cusions for more home rolling sessions*
 
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