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Lysergamides New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs & brand new 2020 receptorome binding data for LSH compared with LSD (post #10)

I may even just grow Pearly Gates next spring, as the 1975 study found 3x times the amount of alkaloids in them compared to heavenly blue.

Lest we not forget that Norman also had remarkable seed extracts using wine:

Norman said on September 2019:
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Years ago I stumbled across a simple method for dosing HBWR.
Grind the seeds and cover them with white wine, let sit in the fridge for a day or so, shaking occasionally, decant, filter and drink.
No nausea no aches no vasoconstriction.
I am now off alcohol completely so I’m thinking of an alternative method short of a full on extraction.
I’m convinced that something in the wine besides water and alcohol is what makes the trip so clean. I’ve tried twelve percent water alcohol mixes in the past and still had the nasty side effects and at the same time the trip is not as strong.
I’m thinking acetaldehyde and or tartaric acid may be involved or at least a good place to start.
Any thought on what chemically may be going on?
 
My wild ones are all white and are potent - not sure of the actual species, but looks identical to Pearly Gates
 
DrumTripper said:
"My wild ones are all white and are potent - not sure of the actual species, but looks identical to Pearly Gates"
Glad to hear that DrumTripper!

Claviceps purpurea vs claviceps paspali:

The problem with Ergonovine (another name for ergometrine/ergobasin):

Have read all of the "The Immortality Key, the Secret History of the Religion with no Name" this past weekend, and highly recommend it.

There are two main water soluble alkaloids in the poisonous claviceps purpurea ergot: ergonovine and lysergic acid amide (LSA). These can be separated from the non-water soluble alkaloids which are poisonous.

The author cites Wasson's request for Albert Hofmann to track down and analyze the ergot of wheat and barley, "both of which would have been plentiful on the Rarian plain so explicitly showcased in the Hymn to Demeter". These cereal grains commonly become infected with claviceps purpurea ergot, and only rarely infected with claviceps paspali. I am thankful that he states "the search for the kykeon goes on", noting that ergonvine is only one of many alkaloids found in ergot.

Hofmann's letter to Gordon Wasson on page 205 (one of the colored pics) contain's Hofmann's trip report (which he recovered from the Wasson collection) with several milligrams of ergonovine which is another name for ergometrine or ergobasin, all names for the same water soluble alkaloid.

Note that this alkaloid is only found in very small amounts in morning glory and claviceps paspali, but is one of the main water soluble alkaloids in the poisonous claviceps purpurea. At the bottom of the page, Carl Ruck's experiment with the compound was noted as resulting instead with "mixed results" as opposed to Hoffman's findings.

My concerns with ergonovine stem from the follow-up experiments with it performed below by several experimenters...it resulted in heavy somatic symptoms (moderate vasoconstriction and cramping) while the psychedelic quality was mild, and contained none of the euphoria common with LSD, mushrooms, cactus, Ayahuasca, morning glory, and quite possibly the Greek claviceps paspali infected paspalum grass.

The claviceps paspali infected paspalum distichum grass, which as found in the 1961 paper by Stevens and Hall, contains same rich alkaloid profile as the Mexican morning glory (high levels of LSH or lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide along with a handful of other simulating LSD like alkaloids) which as show in this thread all work together (teamwork) to hit the same brain receptorome profile that LSD hits, and beyond. Note LSD only hits 1 of the adrenal receptors, while LSH hits 6 of the adrenal receptors, see brand new 2020 LSH receptorome data on post #10.

C. paspali submerged cultures have ergine, isoergine and lysergic acid N-1-hydroxyethylamide or LSH (Arcamone et al., 1960) while sclerotia from Australia contain up to 0.005% alkaloids composed of ergine and ergonovine along with chanoclavine and two unidentified ergoline alkaloids (Groger et al., 1961). Elymoclavine (Kobel et al., 1964) and agroclavine [Brar et al., 1968] have also been recorded.

We also know now that LSA is a schedule 3 sedative and is a breakdown (decomposition) product of LSH over time, or when LSH is heated, or when LSH is extracted into plain (neutral) water. LSH only survives intact in acidic environments, like those of acidified water or wine for example.

3 experimenter's effects when ingesting pure ergonovine, another name for ergometrine (found in HBWR), June 1979 Journal of Psychedelic Drugs:
"In the January-June 1979 issue of the Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, Jeremy Bigwood, Jonathan Ott, Catherine Thompson and Patricia Neely report on their attempt to replicate Hofmann's finding in three experiments with ergonovine maleate, each time in one pastoral setting. They were following up Wasson and Ruck, who tried the same amount as Hofmann but "did not experience distinct entheogenic effects."
With Thompson acting as a guide, three of them took 3mg. of ergonovine maleate, which appeared as a slightly phosphorescent bluish solution in water. Fifteen minutes later they felt like lying down and looking at the sky; then there were "very mild visual alterations, characterized by perception of an 'alive' quality in inanimate objects." Most of this effect passed within an hour; walking along the beach, they experienced mild leg cramps. Bigwood saw eidetic imagery before going to bed, and the three "slept easily...awakening refreshed in the morning."
The three experimenters were "convinced that ergonovine was psychoactive, but only J.B. was persuaded the drug was entheogenic." They decided to try it again two weeks later in an increased dosage of 5 mg., but Neely took only 3.75mg. "Again, we experienced lassitude and leg cramps, more pronounced than in the earlier experiment." The psychic effects were more intense than previously, particularly eidetic imagery. "Now it was clear to all of us that ergonovine was entheogenic...The entheogenic effects, however, were very mild, while the somatic effects were quite strong. We had none of the euphoria characteristic of LSD and Psilocybin experiences."
To determine if higher consciousness alteration was possible, they tried larger oral doses of ergonovine maleate a week later. This time, Neely took a dose of 7.5mg and the others took 10mg:

"One of us (J.O.) described "flashes in periphery, ringing in ears, inner restlessness" 40 minutes after ingestion, and later noted "mild hallucinosis, cramps in legs and felt the cramping in the legs as painful and debilitating. The psychic effects did not increase with the same magnitude as the somatic effects...For what seemed like hours, we lay on our backs atop a small pumphouse, watching fluffy cumulus clouds pass silently above us. The effects were still quite intense six hours after ingestion. One of us experienced abundant eidetic imagery, rapidly-changing, colorful geometric patterns, undulating, never still. We all had a slight hangover the following morning."
Albert Hofmann even stated that Claviceps Paspali ergot which infects paspalum grass commonly all around the Mediterranean basin contains the same rich alkaloid profile as the Mexican morning glory long ago, and could have likely been a source of the Kykeon.

Albert Hofmann (page 10) of "The Road to Eleusis" by Wasson, Hofmann & Ruck: "Chapter 2, a challenging question and my answer":hxxps://maps.org/images/pdf/books/eleusis.pdf
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There is a further finding that may prove to be of utmost importance in considering Wasson's question. The main constituents of the Mexican morning glory seeds are (a) lysergic acid amide (=ergine), and (b) lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (LSH), and these are also the main alkaloids in ergot growing on the wild grass Paspalum distichum L. This grass grows commonly all around the Mediterranean basin and is often infected with Claviceps paspali. F. Arcamone et al.3 were the first to discover these alkaloids in ergot of P. distichum, in 1960.
Professor Carl Ruck even states on page 131 of his book "Sacred Mushrooms of the Goddess, Secrets of Eleusis" that claviceps paspali was found in the 1961 study I cite at bottom to contain not only LSA, but LSH.
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Note (1) Researchers showed in 1961 that Claviceps paspali produces high amounts of LSH in culture: "Production of a new lysergic acid derivative (LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) by a strain of Claviceps paspali, Stevens & Hall". One of the studies I read indicated they picked the infected ergot from paspalum distichum grass in the vicinity of Rome.

Note (2) 2016 Polish morning glory study found 3x higher amounts of LSH in MG seeds direct from grower/producer vs retail, hxxps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4830885/ LSA is a decomposition product of LSH over time.
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seeds direct from growers: 1.71 LSH to 5.08 penniclavine ratio
seeds off retail racks: 0.54 LSH to 4.75 penniclavine ratio
It is possible fresh black seeds from vine could likely be near 5.00 LSH to 5.00 penniclavine ratio, vacuum pack and freeze the freshly picked seeds to maintain their high LSH potency indefinitely.
 
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Has the Mystery of the Eleusinian Mysteries been solved?

Ivan Valencic

Yearbook for Ethnomedicine and the Study of Consciousness,

Issue 3, 1994, pp325-336. ©VWB - Verlag für Wissenschaft und Bildung, 1995.

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In ancient Greece near Eleusis, about 20 kilometers north-west from Athens, a special event was celebrated every September. According to the tradition the goddess Demeter was said to have been reunited here with her daughter Kore, who was also known as Persephone, after she had been kidnapped by the god of the underworld Pluto.

The festival of the mysteries took place twice a year, in spring and in autumn, but the former was not so great and important as the latter. The mysteries, whose origins date to the prehellenic era, became particularly popular when Eleusis came under sovereignty of Athens. In the 5th century B.C. the telesterion—the great hall of mysteries was built there. In this building the most important part of the ritual is supposed to have occurred: the ingestion of the kykeon, the mysterious sacrament that caused in participants intensive psychic changes, which cleared their souls, and made them accept death not so much as harm as a blessing, as one of the ancient diarists reported. In the late Roman period the mysteries no longer took place every year, and the cult was finally destroyed in 395 A.D. or the year after it when the troops of Alaric demolished the temple at Eleusis.

The organization of the September' s ritual, which lasted nine days, was supervised by two families who passed the performance of their duties from generation to generation. They were forbidden to reveal the essence of the mysteries, the slightest revelation was threatened by death penalty. The secret of the mysteries had been extremely well guarded, so that with the rise of Christianity the sure knowledge about the essence of the mysteries and especially of the nature of the Eleusinian sacrament has been lost forever.

Anyone who spoke Greek could be initiated, even slaves and women (GOLDHILL, 1993), which leads to the conclusion that the ingestion of the kykeon must not have had a detrimental effect on possible pregnancies. Initiates were promised a special life in the underworld after death, and during the Roman era the festival became a cosmopolitan event. Great processions went from Athens to Eleusis with songs and other ritual celebrations on the only road built in ancient Greece before the arrival of the Romans. The dramatic enactment of the myth of Demeter and Kore was the most famous and widely celebrated cult in the ancient Greek world.

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The central mystery of the Eleusinian mysteries pertains to the nature of the kykeon—the mixture drunk by initiates at the autumnal Eleusinian festival. It was no doubts of palpable nature, so that something was drunk in the telesterion in reality and not only in effigy as some historians supposed. This is well supported by the infamous scandalous event that took place in 415 B.C. when the powerful political and military leader of Athens Alkibiades stole the kykeon at Eleusis and entertained by it himself and his friends. Another conclusion can be inferred from this incident: the ingestion of the kykeon must have been a pleasant and therefore sought-after experience. This was confirmed by many writers of antiquity who participated at the mysteries, and to my knowledge there are no reports on bad trips in the ancient texts that have been preserved.

On the contrary, many wrote about the joyful, revealing, truly psychedelic or entheogenic experience (ta hiera—the holy was the only term that initiates were supposed to say when describing their mysterious experience).

The ingredients of the kykeon were revealed in the seventh century B.C. in the so called Homeric Hymn to Demeter (it was written by an anonymous poet and not by Homer) as follows; water, barley and blechon or glechon—a fragrant Mediterranean mint, probably Mentha pulegium or Mentha aquatica (RÄTSCH, 1992). This is the only known reference to the composition of the kykeon and it seems somehow incompatible with the secret tightly guarded by the two hierophantic families who were in charge of making it and dispensing at Eleusis. After all, if the recipe for the kykeon had been as simple as that mentioned in the Homeric Hymn, many in ancient Greece would have been mixing their own kykeon, which was, of course, not the case.

As to who first surmised that the kykeon had had psychedelic activity, I have come across three references. According to different sources it was in 1956 or 1962 or 1964 that the hypothesis was proposed that the kykeon might have contained a psychedelic substance. ALBERT HOFMANN (1983) cites KARL KERÉNYI'S work (1962) as the first having made the statement that the kykeon was a mixture containing a hallucinogenic drug. JONATHAN OTT in Pharmacotheon (1993) says that this idea was first suggested by R. GORDON WASSON in 1956, while TERENCE McKENNA in Food of the Gods (1992) gives this credit to ROBERT GRAVES in 1964.

Be that as it may, both, WASSON and GRAVES believed that the intoxicating beverage most probably contained mushrooms. WASSON thought that the secret of the mysteries would be found in indoles, while GRAVES gave more credence to the fly agaric hypothesis, although he conceded that also a psilocybian mushroom (Panaeolus papilionaceus) may have been added to the kykeon. (A collection of GRAVES' work, published in London in 1962, sets the origin of this text in 1960.) What catches one's attention is that mushrooms are quite unlike any of the ingredients of the kykeon, according to the Homeric Hymn.

Let us for a moment digress to a similar mystery to that of Eleusis: the nature of the famous Vedic medicine soma and its Iranian variety haoma. In Rig Veda and Atharva Veda there are many references to the appearance as well as the action of soma, and based on them numerous hypotheses were proposed about its botanical identity. Researchers suggested that soma was fly agaric, Syrian rue, ephedra, mandrake or other tropane derivatives containing plants, hemp, psilocybian mushrooms (e.g. Stropharia cubensis) and a couple of other plants, each differing from one another more than perceptibly in its shape and the psychoactive effects it induces.

Today the mystery of soma lies unresolved as so many of the passages in the Vedas that refer to soma are too vague and much more unreliable in their meaning than presumed by WASSON and other scholars who attempted its solving. Is there any possibility that this is the case also for the Eleusinian mysteries, that the reference in the Homeric Hymn of the kykeon is not only unreliable but even deceptive in order to hide the true nature of the sacred libation? For this and other reasons that will be mentioned, some researchers, in recent years most notably T. McKENNA, believe that the mystery of the Eleusinian mysteries has not been satisfactorily solved.

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Researchers who attempted to solve the Eleusinian mystery according to the Hymn to Demeter directed their attention to barley since few if any mints are psychoactive. Barley has been known to have been infested like other grains by rust-ergot fungus (Claviceps purpurea and Claviceps paspali) since ancient times Many written testimonies exist about that. Ergot does have established psychedelic effects, it is after all the source of Iysergic acid, the precursor of many psychedelic substances, among them LSD. It seemed only natural that the parasitic fungus growing on barley rendered to the Eleusinian sacrament its psychedelic power.

The theory that the kykeon derived its psychoactive effects from ergot was proposed at the Second International Conference on Hallucinogenic Mushrooms near Port Townsend, WA on October 28th, 1977, by R. GORDON WASSON, ALBERT HOFMANN and CARL A. P. RUCK. Next year appeared the famous book The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries by the same authors. In it, at first, Wasson gives an account of his experience with Mexican psilocybian mushrooms and explains why he thinks that the drinking of the Eleusinian potion involved a similar experience.

The second part, written by A. HOFMANN, offers an explanation of how in ancient Greece a psychedelic potion could have been prepared from the ergot fungus. HOFMANN explains that ergoline alkaloids more or less fall into two categories: non-water soluble peptide alkaloids, which exert more toxic effects, and water soluble Iysergic acid derivatives with psychedelic effects more pronounced. Of the latter that appear in nature the most important are ergine (D-lysergic acid amide) the psychoactive principle of many species of Convolvulaceae, and ergonovine (D-lysergic acid-L-2-propanolamide).

HOFMANN reports that he ingested 2.0 mg of ergonovine maleate, which is about six times the normal dose used in medicine for ceasing postpartum haemorrhaging He experienced some psychedelic activity that lasted more than five hours, although WASSON and RUCK, who later also took ergonovine maleate at the same dose, did not experience any distinct psychedelic effects. HOFMANN stated that the ancient Greeks, or at least some of them, could have made a safe psychedelic beverage with an aqueous infusion of ergot thereby separating the water soluble alkaloids from more dangerous peptide ones.

But when GORDON WASSON asked HOFMANN the question: Whether early man in Greece could have hit on a method to isolate a hallucinogen from ergot...", his answer to this challenging question considered two possibilities: one was the above-mentioned aqueous extract from ergot of barley with ergonovine as a possible psychoactive agent, and the other was what one could call the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis. Claviceps paspali, which only very seldom infest barley, is often found on the Mediterranean wild grass Paspalum distichum, which must surely have grown also near Eleusis.

ALBERT HOFMANN writes in his contribution to The Road to Eleusis that this finding may prove to be of the utmost importance in considering WASSON'S question: the main alkaloids isolated from ergot of Paspalum are the same as those found in the ancient Mexican sacred drug ololiuqui, i.e. ergine and Iysergic acid hydroxyethylamide. In his opinion the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is much more probable than the barley-ergot hypothesis, as it is well established that these alkaloids have psychedelic activity. In the psychedelic usage of seeds of Convolvulaceae he sees the convincing proof that the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is tenable (HOFMANN, 1994).

In the third part C.A.P. RUCK with the assistance of DANNY STAPLES renders detailed explanation of the Hymn to Demeter and cites the information from related Greek texts that pertain to Demeter's Eleusinian cult. In this and two following writings RUCK (1981; 1983) expounds some historical evidence that ergot was the key ingredient in Demeter's potion, from the fact that Demeter was often called Ersybe—ergot to the purple colour of her robes, which was supposed to reflect the dark purplish-brown hue of Claviceps. It would seem that the kykeon containing ergot of Paspalum is not the kykeon according to the Homeric Hymn any more. But in HOFMANN'S opinion barley was not believed to be the psychedelic principle, but a nutrient extract and mint as a stomachicum. The admixture of mint fits well into the ergot hypothesis of the kykeon, because it is well known that ergot preparations produce light nausea which can be counteracted by mint (HOFMANN, 1994). There is no doubt that principle ergoline alkaloids of C. paspali produce a genuine psychedelic reaction.

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The WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory, albeit bold, seems to be well argued. But, as the burden of proof is on those who assert, we must ask along with T. McKENNA if it has been subjected to the acid test (McKENNA, 1992): that means actually brewing the superior psychedelically working kykeon from ergot infested plants. After HOFMANN'S and his co-authors' self-experiments, there seem to be only three more published accounts of similar trials. All were with pure substances: ergonovine maleate (BIGWOOD ET AL., 1979) and methylergonovine (OTT & NEELY, 1980), but none were with an aqueous solution of ergot. In a recent letter JONATHAN OTT (1994) informed me that to his knowledge no one has yet shown by psychonautic assay that the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK kykeon (a filtered aqueous infusion of ergot of barley, as he says) definitely yields a psychedelic experience.

The results with the mentioned ingestion of ergonovine and methyl-ergonovine, respectively, were not exactly impressive and, in other words, not at all confirmative of the ergot of barley hypothesis considering they were purported to assess it. JEREMY BIGWOOD, JONATHAN OTT, CATHERINE THOMPSON and PATRICIA NEELY in August 1978 repeated Hofmann's experiment with higher doses: from 3.0 to 10.0 mg of ergonovine maleate (BIGWOOD ET AL., 1979). The intoxication at 3.0 mg produced very mild visual alterations, lassitude and mild leg cramps. The effects tapered off in seven hours. At 5.0 mg, lassitude and cramps were more pronounced. The psychic effects were also more intense, particularly eidetic phenomena, but they were still mild, while the somatic effects were quite strong. Only at 10.0 mg were visual effects comparable to a threshold dose of LSD or psilocybin, but the physical effects (cramping) were already painful and debilitating. The experimenters were also in a kind of dreamy state, as the natural psychoactive ergoline alkaloids, apart from LSD, show a pronounced narcotic component.

The researchers concluded that, although psychedelic effects of ergonovine were similar to those of a minimal dose of LSD, its somatic effects so much overshadowed the psychic ones that they had no wish to ingest it at psychedelic doses any more. Two years later J. OTT and P. NEELY (1980) attempted a similar experiment with methylergonovine (D-lysergic acid-(+)-2-butanolamide) at 2.0 mg each. Somatic effects included vertigo, salivation, mild cramping, yawning, and psychic effects mostly excited imagination and visualization from auditory cues. The trip was reminiscent of LSD but much milder and more superficial. As with ergonovine, a semi-narcotic state was experienced during it. Uncomfortable somatic effects, again this time, were overshadowing bland psychic changes, which were a far cry from what the Homeric Hymn tells about the initiation experience at Eleusis: "Blissful is he among men on Earth who has beheld that", or what PINDAR and CICERO and others reported.

The latest published experiment with the ingestion of an ergoline alkaloid is by MICHAEL RIPINSKY-NAXON, who in his book The Nature of Shamanism (1993) mentions that he and his co-workers ingested 6.0 mg of ergonovine without giving many details about the setting. They had unimpressive psychic changes, mostly low perceptual alterations, accompanied with leg cramps.

As I have already mentioned, there are no reports on experiments with water soaked ergot rust, which is completely understandable keeping in mind the historical evidence about the ingestion of ergot infested grain. Ergotism killed thousands of people, and very unpleasant experiences can be logically expected by those who set out to prove the ergot of barley hypothesis. Reservations about this part of WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory are best summarized by T. McKENNA (1992): how could an ergotized beverage have been taken for so many centuries without unpleasant side effects, becoming a part of the legend? As it was clearly shown, even water soluble alkaloids exert painful somatic effects. How is it that no ancient writer who wrote about the Eleusinian initiation mentioned the similarities between it and ergot poisoning? They were all deeply impressed by the experience in a positive way, and reports exist only on truly psychedelic and even transcendental experiences. There are no reports on bad trips accompanied with somatic tormentation and pain that always result from ergot ingestion.

Despite the fact that certain ergoline alkaloid containing fungi are used in psychedelic preparations in some parts of the world (OTT, 1993), it is clear that they are used only as additives to another component that has the central psychedelic role in a preparation, and that they tend to produce a much more deliriant entheogenic experience, especially when used alone.

Is there any possibility that the kykeon might have contained other ingredients besides those mentioned in the Hymn to Demeter that alleviated the unpleasant effects of ergoline alkaloids? Some researchers (RÄTSCH, 1992; RIPINSKY-NAXON, 1993) suppose that opium was an additive to the kykeon. Demeter as well as Persephone were associated with poppy and many iconographic motifs of the two goddesses with poppy pods have been found. It is well known that more or less all depressants (e.g. neuroleptics, barbiturates, benzodiazepines) suppress an LSD induced psychedelic reaction, and among some LSD consumers the easiest way to abort the trip is by smoking some heroin.

I asked some researchers about the possible interaction of ergoline and opium alkaloids. J. OTT (1994) is skeptical of presumed anti-LSD activity of heroin and other opiates, whereas A. HOFMANN (1994) and ALEXANDER SHULGIN (1994) believe that opiates must have, like other downers, a diminishing effect on a lysergic acid derivative induced trip. Since no controlled human studies seem to exist about that interaction, there is only some animal work to refer to (experiments cited by SANKAR, 1975). It showed a clear antagonism between LSD and morphine in mice, rabbits and dogs, but Shulgin says that he would look at SANKAR'S review with some care. As we know that the psychedelic reaction is almost impossible to observe in experimental animals, the definitive solution of this problem cannot be expected until human trials are conducted in accordance with relevant statistical criteria. Yet, I think, it is plausible to conjecture that a possible opium addition to an ergotized preparation could only diminish its psychedelic strength and not enhance it.

And so, is there a reasonable probability that ergot of barley or some of its alkaloids played the central psychedelic role in the kykeon? In the opinion of some researchers, including me, it is not very likely. Only by the ingestion of the kykeon, mixed according to the first part of the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory m a sufficient dose to produce a genuine psychedelic experience without some dire consequences, can this hypothesis be irrevocably proved or disproved. It is unfortunate for research but, I believe, by all means fortunate for researchers, that no one has attempted to do so. In one of his letters, JONATHAN OTT (1994) informed me that he intended to test the ergot (of barley) hypothesis one day soon. I think that we all should eagerly, but of course not too eagerly, expect the results of his ergot-self-experimentation.

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The Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is much less publicized and sometimes even omitted in many a work that deals with the Eleusinian mysteries as well as in letters I have exchanged with some of their authors recently. In practically all writings after The Road to Eleusis about this topic I have come across the emphasis on and sometimes even the preoccupation with ergot of barley (C. purpurea) as the central ingredient of the kykeon and ergonovine as its most important psychedelic alkaloid (cf. just the most recent work: RÄTSCH, 1992; OTT, 1993; ripinsky-naxon, 1993). This is no doubts the consequence of literally sticking to the words of the Hymn to Demeter, which I firmly believe do not contain the truth, or at least not the whole truth about the composition of the kykeon.

As to the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis, I must say at first that I have not come across any reference about the ingestion of C. paspali by man, either accidentally or on purpose. It is only known that a neurological disorder, Dalligrass poisoning also called "paspalum staggers", occurs when cattle graze Paspalum dilatatum infected with the fungus Claviceps paspali (COLE & AL., 1977; SPRINGER & CLARDY, 1980; GALLAGHER, LEUTWILER & AL., 1980). Clinical signs of paspalum staggers are tremors, which are exaggerated by enforced movement, hyperexcitability and ataxia. Mortalities from the disease are generally caused by accident or inability of affected animals to obtain water. Affected animals generally recover from the disease if removed from the toxic pasture.

At least five tremorgenic substances were isolated from Claviceps paspali, three of them were named as paspaline, paspalicine and paspalinine. With the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis there are two possibilities:

1) The paspali metabolites, which are soluble in most organic solvents (COLE ET AL., 1977), are not water soluble, or at least not in a sufficient grade to have been extracted in the kykeon. If these alkaloids accumulate mostly intracellurarly in oleosomes as do ergopeptides in Claviceps purpurea, then it is reasonable to conclude that they were not in the kykeon in toxic quantities.

2) If the paspali metabolites are water soluble and accumulate mostly extracellularly like simple Iysergic acid derivatives and clavines, it would mean that the kykeon must have been tremorgenic at least. There is, of course, some possibility that the paspali alkaloids produce toxic symptoms only in cattle and mice, but this is to my opinion extremely low possibility.

I would not consider the conclusion made by HOFMANN by analogy with Mexican preparations of seeds of Convolvulaceae as a convincing proof, which, I think, can come only through the ingestion of the ergot of Paspalum infusion. Until either barley-ergot or Paspalum-ergot part of the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK theory, or for that matter any theory or hypothesis that tries to explain a phenomenon and can be experimentally proved, is rendered proven in this way, it is equally legitimate though not equally plausible, to hold any explanation as convincing (CASTI, 1990). To my knowledge there has been not a single attempt to ingest water soaked ergot with other putative ingredients that would simulate the kykeon in a controlled environment. What can be found aplenty in some writings are explanations of ways, more or less very complicated, of how ergot could be ingested safely. It is this discrepancy between theoretical discourse and the lack of experimental evidence that my criticism is aimed at in the first place. No wonder then that due to the lack of hard data some recent work on the Eleusinian mysteries denies any psychoactivity of the kykeon (FOLEY, 1994), or does not mention the kykeon at all (GOLDHILL 1993).

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In both hypotheses of the WASSON/HOFMANN/RUCK Eleusinian theory we have a verifiable scientific hypothesis, but which seems that it cannot be verified at no costs and dangers for experimental human subjects. It would be difficult to comply with all moral as well as methodological requirements that are required by a scientific experiment with human subjects (cf. SHERIDAN, 1976; CRAIG & METZE, 1979; SHULGIN & SHULGIN, 1993), which means among other things that one self-experiment (although better than none) cannot have general scientific validity. In what direction should the future research proceed in elucidating more thoroughly the action of the discussed possible ingredients of the kykeon, among them primarily ergot of Paspalum? In the first place sound models of its working in animals must be obtained (I hope no member of animal rights groups is reading this). If the animal research indicates that the toxicity of the Paspalum-ergot infusion can be tolerated in estimated psychedelic dosage in man, then I see for a very curious researcher only to proceed with self-experimentation as described in SHULGIN'S Pihkal (1991): to start with obviously insufficient doses, and gradually making the dosage larger until either the toxic or psychedelic effects render it sufficient.

But if future research shows that ergot could hardly be the mystical ingredient of the Eleusinian mysterious mixture, some other psychoactive plants must be supposed to substitute it. I agree with ROBERT GRAVES and TERENCE McKENNA that there exists also reasonable possibility that psilocybian mushrooms might have helped to produce the astonishment and ecstasy in ancient initiates, who ascribed to the Eleusinian mysteries a veritable transcendental quality. Of course, there may exist other interactions among psychoactive plants that we are not aware of today, but the information about them was no secret to a priest clan in ancient Greece. Will we know one day once and for all what was the essence of the sacred drink at Eleusis? Maybe, if there is a sealed vessel, buried deep under the ruins of the telesterion near today's Elefsina, waiting still to be unearthed.

I am indebted to Albert Hofmann, Jonathan Ott, Christian Rätsch and Alexander Shulgin for their help and critical comments.

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First modern recorded trip report with claviceps paspali infected paspalum distichum grass from reddit ergot group:

Posted by
u/Gu1l7y5p4rk

2 years ago

C. Paspalum (dilatatum/distichum) Trip Report

I microdose lsa/h from heavenly blue morning glory. Have been for years. I've been interested in the fungi, to an extreme extent. Needless to say I was turned onto another source of this fungi.

Easily accessible as it were to be, paspalum was being mowed everyday. I've spent a few months offhandedly skimming information about this plant. Past few days ergot has been showing, in all it's flourescencent orange glory. So I picked some.

250ml Ice cold distilled water 6 stems with seed heads Protected from light and heat I Added materials into cold water and froze it for 4hrs. Then let it sit at a room temp of 68-72f for an additional 12hrs. Agitated 6 times during the process. Strained through double coffee filter. Consumed a few hours later. Water was clear, no taste.

I drank approximately a quarter of the bottle and started my timer. Within 30 minutes an all too familiar lysergic trip had started to come and go in waves. About 2hrs in and I had half opaque tracers, slight time dilation, and an akwardness about my motor functions. I could meditate in near dark and outlines would drift off a little, or overlap.

It was at this point that I had decided that based off the lucidness, but also lack of complexity of the visuals that I had stumbled upon traditional lsa or a similiar fashioned derivitave.

At 3hr40mins in the initial trip, I drank about twice my original dose. Ate applesauce before and after. I shouldn't have doubled the dose as I had things to do today but luckily I was able to cancel out in high fashion.

Needless to say that since the re-dose, this is one of the most clean and consistent trips I've had in recent memory. At one point I was standing on my back porch(wood) and it and the concrete slab beneath it melted together. House siding sliding up in a stepping fashion, then wiggling and bulging. Full and deeply colorful tracers off my hands.

I've had no noticeable vasoconstriction. It's now 11hrs37mins since original dose. Things are still very pretty. Hanging around the plateau it seems. I think the second dose extended the plateau.

10/10 Would Recommend.

editors note: would only recommend next time extracting with cold acidified water brew (acidified to around ph=4 using lemon juice, crushed vitamin C, or a tiny dash of DL tartaric acid (my preference, use $7 ebay PH meter to adjust, do not go below ph=4 when using DL tartaric acid), this way the high levels of LSH (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) in the fresh claviceps paspali and fresh morning glory will not decompose to LSA.

The labile LSH decomposes to LSA in neutral (plain water), when heated, or in alkaline water, but it is quite stable indefinitely in cold acidic environments (such as acidified water, wine (already at ph=4), etc. LSH is very similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL, where human experiments were done, very active starting at 1.5mg, remarked to be "LSD-like". Animal tests all point to LSH being an active psychedelic and it is indeed the closest thing to LSD found in nature, far closer than d-ergine (LSA). Owsley claims Hoffman himself told him that LAOH is very LSD-like. I totally agree.

Picture attached: Paspalum distichum grass infected with claviceps paspali ergot
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Traditionally (e.g. as reported from Wasson) they only soaked the mushed morning glory seeds briefly in water, then strained and immediately drank. Even Hermes and Nogal (both extracted 400 to 500 seeds into cold acidic water using a squirt of lemon juice) both reported EXTREMELY VISUAL MG trip reports:

(1) Hermes (the Lycaeum) "Saw strong 4D lattice-like open eye visuals and warping and melting of furniture with only 400 seeds. There are around 32 to 36 seeds to a gram. I see amazing three and seemingly four-dimensional shapes morphing and bifurcating. Often I get religious and esoteric themed visuals, like fractal cherub wings and winged eyes like those in some of Alex Grey's work. Eyes are all over everything. I see pyramids and sphinxes and Gigeresque biomechanical forms. I see amazing geometric lattice structures. I watch mathematical space-filling algorithms doing their thing, all of this with nothing more than 500 seeds."

(2) Nogal (the Nook) "Yes I know of someone who tried the CWE method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffee grinder in place of a stone metate (I think that's what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form (again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin)."

(3) Erowid report: "400 older dried seeds is similar to a little less than one hit LSD. 400 fresh off vine is like about 2 or three hits."

(4) Myself (500ml cold spring water acidified to Ph=4 with DL tartaric acid extract on 400 fresh off the vine dark hard seeds, after 10 minute extraction and fitration thru cotton ball in a funnel, added 1 shot of cold sherry wine for 1-acetaldehyde adduction at the NH group nitrogen of the ergolines, and let filtered solution sit in fridge for 3 hours w/swirling once per hour): "Saw geometric patterns on the surface of everything, with closed eyes, colored vectors spun 360 degrees while traveling from left to right across visual plane. Sounds were not only amplified & music heavenly but audio hallucinations were produced, heavy euphoria component & very strong appreciation for beauty. Remember watching Scarlett Johansson interview on a small television and melting into the seat from her beauty amidst all the breath taking geometrics. Tripped hard as hell." Note: Extraction now using cold sherry wine only as described in post #1.
 
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I also grow morning glory on a fence that receives morning sun and a few hours of afternoon sun.

If you look closely, you can see the eyelet screws (*almart hundreds of them in hardware section for cheap) spaced 7" apart horizontally, and clear fishing string strung between the eyelet screws, so that the morning glory can grow on the fence easily. You can also see the remnants of the dried seeds pods that produced the black hard seeds I picked. Next year I'm growing pearly gates on this fence as the 1975 study found double the alkaloids of heavenly blue. The fence works great as the vine fills the entire fence with attractive flowers from bottom to top. At the bottom, I simply dug into the earth and created a mix of 3/4 miracle grow to 1/4 cow manure compost along with some earth added back in along with a handful or so of perlite for drainage.

The application of NPK fertilizer (miracle grow) + composted cattle manure increased crop yield by 48.9% compared to NPK fertilizer alone ---> from 2017 Frontiers in Microbiology, 05 Sept 2017 "Composted Cattle Manure Increases Microbial Activity and Soil Fertility." Some users report that their plants grew three times in size once they added miracle grow soil to their existing potting soil.

For highest lysergic acid amide content in the seeds, it is recommended to add 1 tablespoon miracle grow powder to one gallon watering can with spout and feed only once per month during growing season. Fresh picked off the vine seeds are best. Vaccum pack and freeze freshly picked seeds or seeds bought direct from grower to preserve their high LSH potency indefinitely, as LSH decomposes over time to LSA naturally if not temp controlled. LSH also decomposes in neutral (plain water), when heated or in alkaline water. Therefore extract into acidified water or wine (already at ph=4). There can be up to a 16 fold variation in the psychoactive potency of seeds, as the species has a range between .005% and .079% total indole alkaloids. Use good soil with fertilizing once a month for highest psychoactive potency.

From "The Elixir: an Alchemical Study of the Ergot Mushrooms":
Quote:


The ancient civilization of Greece centered around the religious ceremonies conducted annually in the Eleusinian temple in Athens. According to Aristotle, the mystery at Eleusis was something experienced rather than something learned. There were two rituals performed at Eleusis, the first was the "Lesser Mystery," in which the participants were given a libation of wine containing ergot, and the "Greater Mystery," during which the initiates were given wine containing ergot, and experienced a collective vision of the Mother Goddess Persephone.


ALBERT HOFMANN writes in his contribution to The Road to Eleusis that this finding may prove to be of the utmost importance in considering WASSON'S question: the main alkaloids isolated from claviceps paspali ergot of Paspalum distichum grass (seldom growing on barley) are the same as those found in the ancient Mexican sacred drug ololiuqui, i.e. ergine and Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide (LSH). In his opinion the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is much more probable than the barley-ergot hypothesis, as it is well established that these alkaloids have psychedelic activity. In the psychedelic usage of seeds of Convolvulaceae he sees the convincing proof that the Paspalum-ergot hypothesis is tenable (HOFMANN, 1994).

Several papers published in the 1960's (see post #24) show claviceps paspali ergot produces not only large amounts of the stimulating LSH but also a handful of other stimulating LSD like alkaloids just like the Mexican morning glory: penniclavine, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine. These alkaloids all work together using teamwork to hit most of the same receptors LSD hits, along with 5 new ones (5 more adrenal receptors) that LSD does not even target:

Thomas S. Ray, Psychedelics and the Human Receptorome (2010):
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Breadth of Receptor Binding, 4.00=max (off the charts), 0.00=min, X.XX=receptor is hit but we don't have strength data.

LSD: 5ht1a = 3.73, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 2.88, mescaline = 3.61, 5-meo-DMT: = 4.00 (make up >80% of brain 5-ht)
LSD: 5ht1b = 4.00, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 2.19, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.41
LSD: 5ht1d = 3.70, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.91, psilocin = 3.40, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 3.48
LSD: 5ht1e = 2.62, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.28, psilocin = 3.03, mescaline = 3.16, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.72
LSD: 5ht2a = 3.54, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 2.58, psilocin = 2.14, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.98
LSD: 5ht2b = 3.11, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.91, psilocin = 4.00, mescaline = 3.97, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.69 (sensual & entactogenic)
LSD: 5ht2c = 3.11, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.42, psilocin = 2.52, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.55
LSD: 5ht5a = 3.64, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.16, psilocin = 2.83, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.84
LSD: -5ht6 = 3.75, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 3.35, psilocin = 2.82, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.73
LSD: -5ht7 = 3.77, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 4.00, psilocin = 2.82, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 3.69 (novelty, newness)
LSD: ---D1 = 2.34, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 3.51, psilocin = 3.37, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.38
LSD: -A-2A = 2.93, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 2.75, psilocin = 1.36, mescaline = 2.92, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2a)
LSD: -A-2B = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.53, psilocin = 1.57, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.86 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2b)
LSD: -A-2C = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 3.53, psilocin = 1.03, mescaline = 4.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.57 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2c)
LSD: -A-2D = 0.00, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2d)
LSD: -A-1A = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a1a)
LSD: -A-1B = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a1b)
LSD: -A-1D = 0.00, LSD: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a1d)
 
Even LSD chemist Todd Skinner
do you mean con man dea informant priveliged psychopath felon gordon todd skinner? i thought william leonard pickard was the actual chemist, isn't he? i can't imagine an actual psycho like skinner being very good at science stuff, js (i thought i had read somewhere psychopaths are typically of lower than average intelligence even though they try to appear smart)
 
Nogal: "HBWR is more body related while MG seeds have effects more similar to LSD."

I can confirm this.

I may revisit MG seeds sooner or later. Very interesting and I've never done a proper extraction with alcohol. Really interested in isolating the actives and trying that instead of ingesting all the other material.

HBWR is not worth doing IMO. Always a negative experience with overly intense body load.

Agreed!



thanks for posting this info
 
Thanks nepalnt21 & In_A_transit. See post #594 for my latest way to trip, been doing this every 2 weeks like clockwork:


300 to 400ug 1-acetaldehyde LSD (like ald-52 or 1-acetyl LSD) + 325mg tetrahydroharmine or THH --> like 2 feet of fat bridgesii cactus tea.

Make the 1-acetaldehyde LSD from LSD hits at home and make the THH or tetrahydroharmine from rue seeds at home.

You might like post #8 with pics on LSH from morning glory seeds using sherry wine:


2 minute formed HPBCD DMT liquid very bioavailable sublingually under tongue & outperforms DMT salts orally by many factors in personal trials, combo with tetrahydroharmine, Ayahuasca.

Part 0: 12 reasons pure THH or tetrahydroharmine rocks
Part 1: HPBCD complexed DMT experimental dosage, effects & duration
Part 2: receptorome chart & explanation
Part 3: Tetrahydroharmine (THH) effects
Part 4: Tetrahydroharmine receptorome similarities to mescaline; potentiates cactus & safety note
Part 5: chemist Patrick Arnold's HPBCD prohormones & bloodwork studies
part 6: Dr. Narang: "with sublingual" or "under the tongue" better than buccal, gingival & palatal
part 7: a little bit on my 70 Ayahuasca experiences, doses & visions
part 8: New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs, soluble only in wine/alcohol, only sparingly soluble in water.
part 9: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman
part 10: One way to make tetrahydroharmine
part 11: How to easily extract 2.3g DMT from 170g bark using a 2 liter Erlenmeyer flask
part 12: Out of print writings on the Divine Plant of the Incas, strong euphoria & psychedelic visions from coca leaf tea bags.
[page 15, post #278]
part 13: THH + mushrooms report from friend
[page 15, post #287]
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Update 7.6.2022:

500 Heavenly blue morning glory extract in 1oz everclear + 1 oz wine, imagine your best 2 hit LSD experience x 2

 
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Oh so eating them raw or holding mashed up under tongue (one time I swallowed, some guy on Erowid was saying nausea was overrated on the web or something plus a tranny on Twitter was telling me swallowing them crushed was the shamanic route and violent vomiting ensued horrific had me give up on thinking I might survive) won't make them bioactive or whatever?

Morning glory grows in my yard hah lady before us planted it I ended up working for the garden center I first got Morning Glory seeds from what a wild ride met a bunch of heads working there
 
All explained here Lunario with lots of pics and 8 trip reports, 24 trip reports on page 2:

or here:

Yes, don't eat the seeds, extract with cold sherry wine, the ancient Aztec and Mayan always extracted into balche, a beer they made themselves, see pic of this on above link.

Several teens ended up in emergency room after eating the seeds 2 years ago.

The cactus tea + MG tincture (more powerful than 4 hits of acid) results in an extremely powerful trip that is WAY OUT THERE, but no anxiety or thought confusion like with LSD, have complete control of faculties while tripping hardcore.

Notice the bright blue glow of the lysergic acid amides (LSH + penniclavine) when a bit was dabbed from jar onto a cue tip and smeared on a paper plate in front of blacklight.










I use the sublingual HPBCD DMT weekly with zero nausea or dizziness used sublingually. Big difference compared to oral Ayahuasca which always make me feel nauseated, uncomfortable, dizzy like and with anxiety, with sublingual there is none of that. Take a look at L-dreamer's many experiences using the sublingual Ayahuasca several posts up. He rated it 10/10 just like me.

https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/on...mes-better-than-dmt-salts-masks-taste.925141/
 
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