maddyboy said:
Meh!!
Send it to 2008 when it mattered, Due to your actions nobody can say what 2-fma is like
FYI, confirmation of 2-FMA only occurred a few months ago. I updated when I found the time to prepare the diagrams and rewrite parts of the thread.
...you have BIGGER things to narc on now
If you're implying these products were restricted due to that post, you're way out. It was the massive amounts being detected by customs that mostly did it. That coupled with the large 4-MMC +E-Cat bust in northern Qld really made authorities sit up and take notice, not to mention the rising number of busts for personal amounts of "Ecstasy" where they also turned up. Also that year - and every year since - those involved with EDRS and other user/market surveys, interviewed users that used these products, as well as key experts who gave an even bigger picture, so the information was there anyway - even if it wasn't published. Published or not though, this info can and does provide a useful insight on user trends to LE.
In regards to BL, attention was drawn to these products through posts here and elsewhere long before the analysis results were released. Neodoves were first discussed in Aus DD in mid March by starboy -
someone actually involved in the legal high trade at the time. The initial analytical results were released one week short of
NINE MONTHS LATER. That's nine months that LE could read all about the effects, the amounts, the place to get them etc etc. And something else you might not know. Other groups worldwide were also trying to work out what was in these. Besides the countless conversations I had with various groups and individuals, I actually received the MS data from one group...it was only due to the actions of concerned researchers
and users that it was done here first.
Who would have thought back in the hive days.......... you had credibility
My credibility has never been the issue in relation to suppliers or manufacturers - never had it, never wanted it - and I challenge you to find any post here, the hive or elsewhere that says any different. If you don't know what I'm about by now then you probably never will, but just in case you've got one ounce of sense, my slant is not to have everything banned or have pursuers of commercial products locked up. It's about reducing harm to users. That's where I've put
my energy for the past 11 years - doing outreach, helping those suffering excess consumption, bad reactions etc, and educating. To be proactive in this - and there's fuck all people who seem to "put their money where their mouth is" here - requires actively seeking out what's in what product and
actually informing users and medical staff of what's out there. That equates to practical, effective Harm Reduction - and it certainly can make a difference in case of emergency.
I don't hear you complaining about Pillreports, or when Enlighten posted results of pill testing back in the day - which alerted users and likely affected sales to those manufacturing pills with ketamine and speed, and flogging them off as MDMA, and probably also enabled LE to more easily track them down due to things like distribution, locality etc. The things is, some people
are concerned about what they put in their bodies, and they do want to know what the possible dangers are. Those are the people I'm here for, what about you?
Lucky Albert Hofmann isn't trying to invent anything these days, you'd have him locked up
In case you don't realise, Hofmann was never trying to invent a psychedelic drug of any sort when he stumbled upon LSD. I regard him as being an exceptional chemist in his day, particularly considering the ground breaking areas of chemistry he was working with at the time. He wasn't a charlatan, an entrepreneur or any sort of purveyor of drugs, so that statement is as ridiculous as your others
If you wish to twist the truth then that's up to you but don't expect me to take it lying down. As far as BL is concerned, I'd suggest you find another playground. This is a Harm Reduction site, so such comments only indicate your being here must be for some other reason, of which, for the moment we can only speculate
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
