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Mexico Considers Decriminalizing Pot, Cocaine & More (merged) (Updated 2/12/07)

Well, nice job, Vicente, selling out your country's sovereignty...

At this point, why don't you quit the bullshit and just give the US 100% of your oil, I mean, it's not as if you're anything more than autonomous territory of the United States.

Look for the drinking age to go to 21 there soon...

I hope the international police types (everyone in the DEA [not you, theDEA, heh], I'm looking at you) die in a fire and rot in hell
 
Onward goes the 'war on drugs'

MEXICO WAS on the verge of executing a bold plan to decriminalize small amounts of drug possession.

May 05/06

Now it's not.

Mexican President Vicente Fox, who proposed the idea two years ago, backpedaled, saying he would no longer support the bill that the legislature pushed through in a last-minute effort last week.

That'll help Fox's political relationship with the United States. We doubt it'll do much for the people of Mexico.

Sixteen months ago, President Fox declared "the mother of all battles" against drug trafficking. The result has been a horrifying spate of violence -- more than 1,500 lives in the past year. It doesn't seem to be having an impact on Mexican drug cartels, which are growing in strength as Colombia's drug lords decline. The Mexican cartels spend as much time battling each other over lucrative trade routes into the United States as they do decapitating police officers in Acapulco. Much of the problem lies with the Mexican criminal-justice system, which experts acknowledge is corrupt.

The proposal to decriminalize possession of small amounts of drugs was an attempt to combat these problems, not to turn Tijuana into Amsterdam. By freeing the police from running after small-time offenders, the thinking went, they would take fewer bribes and concentrate on the big fish -- drug traffickers. The law would also have strengthened penalties for drug trafficking.

Unfortunately, the reaction of the United States was all self-involved bluster. The mayor of San Diego threatened that the proposed law could jeopardize immigration reform. Mass media hysteria broke out over the idea of American college students crossing the border to toke marijuana or snort heroin. We hate to point out the obvious, but if American college students want to try drugs, they're doing it at home: 45.8 percent of Americans ages 12 and older report having used an illicit drug at least once, one of the highest rates in the world.

We're not arguing that decriminalization is necessarily the best answer to Mexico's problems. But clearly they've realized that the war on drugs, American-style, hasn't made drugs less available or increased the safety of their people. A new approach is necessary -- ideally one that would include anti-corruption measures, creative enforcement strategies and the diversion of nonviolent drug offenders into treatment rather than jail.

The latter in particular, is working well for California: When the University of California at Los Angeles released its comprehensive analysis of the Substance Abuse and Crime Prevention Act to zero fanfare last month, they found that offering nonviolent drug offenders treatment not only works, but is cost-effective. In the 30 months following his or her arrest, the report found, the typical eligible offender had no convictions for drug, property, or violent crime. The act saved state and local governments $173.3 million over that same time period.

This is what America should have said to Mexico: New approaches can work. Hysteria can't.

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^Ditto that. If only this shit would get mainstream media attention. All I ever see is hysteria-inducing propaganda.:(
 
This makes perfect sense in my opinion.

The legal limits are miniscule. This forces users to by repeatedly forcing more dealer buyer interactions. Dealers are forced to sell more frequently. The higher the number of drug sales for each dealer the higher the risk of getting caught.

If a small time dealer or a user with an amount over the limit is caught, the extra jail time imposed gives the DA extra leverage in order to turn the suspect.

The US is so short sited. The US is the largest proponent of the war on drugs, yet this move gives the antidrug movement even more power and authority.

The US thinks "oh they're legalizing small quantities of drugs, what have they done" when if you look at the big picture this is one of the better moves Mexico could have made (from the US antidrug point of view). I just wish the US would get off their damn high horse and let other countries govern themselves as they see fit. Since when did sovereignty mean "freedom to self govern as long as you agree with us?"

Honestly the war on drugs is a losing (lost?) battle.
 
Don't know how reliable this info is, but here's a recent poll:

Angus Reid Global Scan : Polls & Research
Mexicans Reject Plans to Legalize Drugs
September 2, 2006


Many adults in Mexico believe drugs should remain illegal, according to a poll by Parametría. 83 per cent of respondents are personally against the legalization of drugs.

Vicente Fox of the National Action Party (PRI) ended 71 years of uninterrupted rule by the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) in the 2000 election, winning a six-year term with 42.5 per cent of the vote.

In late April, the Mexican Senate voted 53-26 to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana, cocaine and heroin. The bill had already been approved by the Chamber of Deputies.

In early May, Fox decided not to sign the bill, and sent it back to the legislative branch, claiming lawmakers had to come up with "the necessary corrections to make it absolutely clear that in our country the possession and consumption of drugs is and will continue to be a crime."

Polling Data

Some people think if drugs are legalized, drug trafficking would no longer be a problem. Other people think legalizing drugs would create a social problem. Are you personally in favour or against the legalization of drugs?

In favour
13%

Against
83%

Not sure
4%


Source: Parametría
Methodology: Face-to-face interviews with 1,000 Mexican adults, conducted from Jul. 22 to Jul. 25, 2006. Margin of error is 3.1 per cent.



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fruitfly said:
Are you personally in favour or against the legalization of drugs?

In favour
13%

Against
83%

Not sure
4%





Give me a break. Who knows how this survey was actually conducted. I'm guessing they had police with machine guns randomly ask 1000 Mexicans on the street if they think drugs should be legal. Gee, I wonder what they're going to say?
 
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Mexican lawmakers revive watered-down version of drug decriminalization bill
By: MARK STEVENSON - Associated Press Writer
February 13, 2007

MEXICO CITY -- Mexican senators said on Monday they are reintroducing a watered-down version of a 2006 drug-reform bill criticized by the United States because it would have decriminalized amounts of marijuana and other drugs.

The new bill, to be presented in a joint Senate committee Wednesday, drops the previous proposal for a blanket decriminalization covering all drug "consumers," and drastically reduces amounts of drugs that can be considered possession for personal use.

"An error was made, unfortunately, in the lower house, adding the (exemption for) consumers," said Sen. Alejandro Gonzalez Alcocer, president of the Senate Judiciary committee, which will formally present the proposed bill on Wednesday

"That really betrayed the spirit of the reforms, by increasing (personal use) quantities, and that's why we're paying attention to the criticisms and making changes," he noted.

The new bill exempts from criminal prosecution only Indians who use traditional hallucinogens as part of their rituals; addicts who can prove they are undergoing treatment for the problem, and first-time offenders.

The exemption for addicts and first offenders caught with drugs for "personal use" already exist in current law, but the definitions of an addict or personal-use amounts are unclear. The thrust of the new bill is to clarify distinctions between drug users and traffickers, and allow local police to act against small-time dealers.

The 2006 bill would have gone much further, exempting just about anyone from criminal prosecution for possession of five grams of marijuana (an amount equivalent to 4 or 5 cigarettes).

The new bill reduces that limit to one gram, or a single joint and first offenders caught with that single joint would be subjected to a fine, but could be prosecuted for a second offense.

The legal definition of maximum "personal use" amounts for other drugs mentioned in the original bill -- such as cocaine, heroin and methamphetamines -- would also be reduced to a "single dose" basis under the new proposal, senators said.

"The defects that this law had several months ago have been fixed," said Sen. Ernesto Saro Boardman, president of the Senate Health Commission. "The (drug) quantities are significantly less than in the original version."

The original bill passed both houses of Congress, but was vetoed by then-president Vicente Fox in May 2006 after U.S. officials expressed their opposition to decriminalization and "urged Mexican representatives to review the legislation urgently, to avoid the perception that drug use would be tolerated in Mexico."

The new bill would actually make it tougher for people to escape prosecution by claiming to be drug addicts, one of the legal loopholes frequently used at present in Mexico, where very few small-time dealers ever go to jail.

Those caught with drugs under the new bill would have to prove they were undergoing treatment at a hospital, rehabilitation center or under a doctors' care.

"There was no clear definition of who was an addict and who was engaging in drug possession," Saro Boardman noted

The most important aspect of the proposal, legislators stressed, was that it would allow state and local police to get involved in combatting street-level drug dealing, currently considered a federal crime.

"This is going to help our cities like in Baja California. This is something we've been fighting for a long time, because drugs have proliferated here," said Gonzalez Alcocer, whose home state of Baja California has been beset by drugs and drug-fueled crime, especially in border cities like Tijuana.

At least one of the largest "personal use" allowances included in the old law will remain in the new bill: the decriminalization for use by Indian groups of up to one kilogram (2.2. lbs) of peyote, the hallucinogenic cactus eaten during traditional rituals.

"It looks like an excessively large amount, but in reality, it's an attempt to decriminalize this for people who carry or bring it to rituals," said Gonzalez Alcocer, referring to Indian healers or leaders from groups like the Huichol Indians.

"In the past, they've been caught with such large amounts, they were jailed," he said. The clause would apparently only apply to certain Indian groups.

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if mexico resists us pressure to do this it should be easier for canada to go through with something similar.

and 5 grams of opium is a nice amount i like how the law is changing now.
 
yellodolphin said:
if mexico resists us pressure to do this it should be easier for canada to go through with something similar.

and 5 grams of opium is a nice amount i like how the law is changing now.


Agreed! I think it's simply a realistic approach to the whole issue. :\


Le Junk :)
 
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