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Stimulants Meth: How To Avoid Paranoia Delusions and Psychosis

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try to eat sleep stay hydrated i know. but other than that what can you do. nowadayz even small amounts. like 1 point smoked and i freak out. (on day 1) everyone spying on me everyones in on it. my whole life is fake. and everything is a sign or message and its like im supposed to do something they expect me to do something...(but the others must not find out, and i just donno wtf to do) . it never used to be like this in the beginnings now im 28. started at 20 but it has been on and off. (never on it daily, just binges, 0.2 shots on low tolerance) nowdayz its not even fun anymore not talkative or social im paralyzed by anxiety and suspicions i run away go into the bushes but even there people in the tree.. EVERYTIME I Tell myself I will be ok will remember that its not real. but always becomes very real... it all comes together and makes sense.. like im really onto something. ive been blind but now i see.. they ve been onto me for years... blah blah..
I got olanzapine antipsychotics. if i take this will it kill my buzz.? i dont want it to (obvioiusly). i hear its a dopamine antagonist or something. good for comedown makes u sleep. but can it be used to avoid freakin out and still get high. dont want to waste gear and/or mess my brain up even more.
Or any other advice. do u feel like this and what do you do about it.
 
When your mind is fucked up enough, the only way to avoid delusions/psychosis is to not do it lol
Also go to sleep lad
 
I think that once a person experiences a scary/ uncomfortable effect like the OP, the brain reacts as such with after consumptions. It usually does't matter how much one consumes, you get those very negative side effects instead of the usual effects which you used to get.

This happened to me with weed after years of very heavy use when I mixed it with a variety of high dose stimulants and hallucinogens. After that, weed changed totally for me. Even a puff used to give me a panic attack. Now it's better but still being cautious. I think that the only way to fix this problem is stopping consuming that substance for a good amount of time and once you use again, instead of big amounts, using much smaller amounts spread out in a longer time period.

Good luck, stay safe.
 
Yep, dont do it, or do less of it less frequently. these are the best harm reduction advice.
But im a bit stubborn surely there must be a way to get blasted and still b ok.. not loosing the plot...
 
Everybody is different but when I fought it, it got worse for me. I know it's annoying but sometimes you loose control of your mental trajectory and being stubborn against your brain could make the issue much more serious. IME, I started getting panic attacks even when I wasn't using. I have seen others having to go to a mental health establishment for very similar reasons with you. It could be different for you though.
 
When the voices started for me,
It was saying my name and I have two entrances to my house so I was like oh someone’s here.

Then, the worst one kind of come through like an announcement saying my friends name and he was at my gate ? ( he actually was I’m like WTF)

It’s never too full on, this week for some reason the scenario is my neighbours can’t believe when their husband tells them I do meth... because I also have two external doors to my bedroom and both face their patios FUCKING LUCKY ME when they talk it’s all about me of course ?
And the female (wife,daughter) says fine I’ll go ask her - obviously they never ask me ?

I normally focus on my phone or tv show and the scenario goes away, I know it’s not real so I tell myself that and who cares what my neighbours think.

Just hope it only happens at home and not at someone else’s house if I were to stay there.

But honestly the fake conversations are spot on ???
 
You've developed a neural pathway that will unfortunately almost certainly ensure you experience these symptoms with every dose.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, according to perspective), this particular party is over and it's definitely time to stop. Don't start taking antipsychotics just to try and help with this (ridiculous idea born of your addiction) or you're merely jumping down another rabbit hole

All the best. There's life afterwards bro...
 
yea been to all sorts of establishments already..

yea its always all about me too lol

n i try to ignore everything coz its not real.. it cant be but then what if i ignore something real it just gets confusing til
just cant give a fuck anyomre. just pretend i lost my keyes and looking for my keys. then get a bit angry and irritated im worried i scare people.

gonna try for script of valiums. true. legit i need them. thank for all the responses nd i hope this a good topic i started it is aye couldnt find any threads on this
 
evo4ever said:
An antipsychotic and a benzo would normally mitigate the paranoid and psychotic effects of a stimulant overdose. The key is do not take Meth if it makes u feel like this.
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Absolutely. When stimulates create more problems than fun times, the only logical solution is to stop fucking taking them. You have created a pattern for your brain. I think you can get out of the pattern, but it might require some complete psychedelic recalibration.
 
KS78 said:
I think that once a person experiences a scary/ uncomfortable effect like the OP, the brain reacts as such with after consumptions. It usually does't matter how much one consumes, you get those very negative side effects instead of the usual effects which you used to get.

This happened to me with weed after years of very heavy use when I mixed it with a variety of high dose stimulants and hallucinogens. After that, weed changed totally for me. Even a puff used to give me a panic attack. Now it's better but still being cautious. I think that the only way to fix this problem is stopping consuming that substance for a good amount of time and once you use again, instead of big amounts, using much smaller amounts spread out in a longer time period.

Good luck, stay safe.
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Holy shit i’ve litteraly Been researching my ass off for 2 years without any answers... This same thing happened to me after doing 400mg Ecstasy and doing a massive bong-rip when it hit. After that i had a massive panic attack with derealisation and depersonalization. Today 2 year after, i still cant smoke weed. Even the slightest hint of THC sends me into a State of pure terror and panic.

Just Reading your comment made my heart beat like crazy and tear up... i thought i had just messed up my brain
 
evo4ever said:
An antipsychotic and a benzo would normally mitigate the paranoid and psychotic effects of a stimulant overdose. The key is do not take Meth if it makes u feel like this.
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I used to never have any delusions just paranoia.. I’ve never done great amounts either but have stayed up 3 days or so and at day 3 things have always really gone downhill. A couple years ago I was staying at my cousins out in the country in northeast rural Arkansas and there was a guy there she was dating and unknown to me he had a warrant out on him for delivering large amount of meth. I was doing meth small amounts during my week of staying there and really weird stuff started happening. I was not only hearing stuff in the corn field and woods but the following day I saw 3 people at the far corner of the field that border the house and at the corner they were in was on a wooded ditch line. This was middle of July. I used my binoculars and saw three army type camo dressed army looking guys setting up a blind. They were far enough away the naked eye couldn’t see them but with my spotting scope it was clear as day. Anytime any of us stepped outside there was no seeing them. But once in the house again I setup the spotting scope bc I was having reservations telling the others in the house what I’d been seeing and hearing. I had them both take a look and they did. And described exactly as I was seeing. They stayed around a week and a weeek later the guy got busted. I also watched drones that whole summer in our very rural high meth pop low volume people county. That was 2 years ago. I swear I went out into that corn field. Saw them clear as day talked to them made them chuckle but they’d only let me get so close. I don’t know if those were delusions or not. I don’t see how it could have been. They seemed to spend a lot of time over the next month in the woods behind my parents house and I stopped my meth usage and quit looking for them. But now when I do just the smallest amount.. .2 at THE MOST during a 2 day period. I start seeing people in my parents woods and I’ve only slipped up 3 times this year but I really screwed up this last time I slipped up in August and saw people clear as day in the woods and the following day I started looking elsewhere because I wasn’t seeing them in the same area because I’d gone after them in that part of the woods. They’d moved their whole setup to the opposite side of the pond. I saw huge canvases of burlap camo.. small ladders going up multiple trees and to top it off looked like they had lots of deer decoys laying in small rafts on the bank and in the woods. All broke down ready to be setup. I was seeing them all. All of it clear as day. Atleast 15 of them. Using my spotting scope. I screwed up and was telling my mother everything I was seeing. Little did I know.. the following week they spent 3 hours a day mon-Thursday with a drug therapist specialist type woman and next thing I know Friday morning before leaving for work I’m being told by their therapist I’ve got to sign my vehicle title over to my parents Ahd I’m being taken and dropped off an hour away at my probation officers office and asking to goto the state mandated rehab. All bc of 1 of 3 slip ups for the whole year and I get caught and either I was experiencing pyschosis without missing a night of sleep and being very hydrated eating well. That’s been just over 33 days ago and I’m not allowed on my parents property much more not allowed to get my vehicle. I’m 33 years old. Started serious meth addiction in 2016. Serious as in maybe a half g once a week every other week off and on for 3 years except this like I mentioned. Off probation in 2 months going to Miami for rehab. To get off subs and benzos and to live after rehab. Luckily insurance is paying.
 
Chronic PugHead said:
Holy shit i’ve litteraly Been researching my ass off for 2 years without any answers... This same thing happened to me after doing 400mg Ecstasy and doing a massive bong-rip when it hit. After that i had a massive panic attack with derealisation and depersonalization. Today 2 year after, i still cant smoke weed. Even the slightest hint of THC sends me into a State of pure terror and panic.

Just Reading your comment made my heart beat like crazy and tear up... i thought i had just messed up my brain
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Nope, happens to alot of people (at least I've found quite a few similar forum entries or Reddit threads). Same thing with me, used to smoke quite alot, had a bad trip on weed (without other drugs involved but I experienced a medical problem and went to the ER - might have just been aa panic attack though and the diagnosis I got was just found by coincidence because I turned up there). Couldn't smoke weed after that, this year I've smoked a few times and it was generally enjoyable but the amount I took each time was super small.
 
Used 1g IV last 24 hours. 1 night no sleep. No paranoia, from coke iv I get more anxiety and paranoid
 
Nightrider19 said:
When the voices started for me,
It was saying my name and I have two entrances to my house so I was like oh someone’s here.

Then, the worst one kind of come through like an announcement saying my friends name and he was at my gate ? ( he actually was I’m like WTF)

It’s never too full on, this week for some reason the scenario is my neighbours can’t believe when their husband tells them I do meth... because I also have two external doors to my bedroom and both face their patios FUCKING LUCKY ME when they talk it’s all about me of course ?
And the female (wife,daughter) says fine I’ll go ask her - obviously they never ask me ?

I normally focus on my phone or tv show and the scenario goes away, I know it’s not real so I tell myself that and who cares what my neighbours think.

Just hope it only happens at home and not at someone else’s house if I were to stay there.

But honestly the fake conversations are spot on ???
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I truly believe meth psychosis unlocks your brains 5th dimension and you can hear the future . I also heard a voice calling my name once on meth but when I'm sober I don't hear voices.
 
Psychosis and delusions can come from just not taking care of your body and hydrating while using as well. You want a healthy body going into a night of meth use because it tends to work your body and your brain very, very hard, even with short-term use. Don’t binge on an empty stomach or without constant hydration. Lower your dosage and take baby steps to how high you wanna be. Don’t stay up past two days, really. And if you decide that you want to, take serious precautions and really give your brain and body some TLC before, during and after.. After day 2, things get a little weird and for some people delusions can start to set in as well as minor visual and auditory hallucinations. If you’re experiencing any of those on a low dose, within two days of sleep, stop your use for the day/night. Eat and drink lots of water, maybe take a multivitamin and let your body reset and try again.

If you are already in a bad state of delusions or hallucinations, as hard as it is, keep telling yourself they’re imaginary. I recommend calling a trusted, and extremely non-judgemental friend to sit with you and affirm that things are okay and acknowledge how you’re feeling, what you’re hearing seeing, etc.; similar to a trip sitter.

Little things like peeking out blinds or thinking you saw a shard on the ground—don’t overanalyze yourself about it. Sometimes there’s just little ticks people do while high that just for some reason feel necessary, or ease some of the anxiety of being on such a potent stimulant. Just roll with it and embrace it lol. Otherwise you’re setting yourself up for more delusions (my friends are judging me, why is nobody as high as me, why do I keep doing the same thing over and over, etc..... they are all negative).

Hope this helps.
 
Once you experience psychosis it will continue and the onset is much faster. I used to binge up to 7 days with heavy use and never lost my shit. Some hallucinations but I liked it.

Years later, had been of meth for a very long time, I experienced my first meth psychosis after smoking (IV user) a couple nights. It slowly over took my ability to reason and the hallucinations seemed totally real. Ended up in the psyche ward for a couple days but was fine.

Now I cant/wont miss sleep twice. I trip harder now too. What used to be shadow people are fully formed beings.

The hallucinations dont scare me but I can tell when my hippocampus become over active and it can cause fear/paranoia/anxiety without needing any stimuli. (Learned from stim. Psychosis research) from that point its all down hill.

Stop using, at least take a good break and be cautious in the future. Use less and dont stay up past 2 days.
 
Out of my twenty years of hardcore drug use, over every mountain of amphetamine and cocaine crashes, diving into our mortal emotions during bad hallucinogen trips, the one drug that put me into a paranoid delusion and state of psychosis was during a stage in which I fell in love with my meth. Addicted girlfriend and Introduced to the world of crystal methamphetamine. Our Induced bitter sweet escape and alter dimension I wish to be in until a world of harm and world war 3 is to be conquered by us two, happy alive, or dead to the bitter end is a feeling no other chemical has ever effected me emotionally, mentally in my entire life, before ever using drugs or even after 20yrs of abusing drugs. I fell into delusions so fucking real, I didn't even realize I lost my damn marbles. I was always awoken out of nightmare's, literly gasping for air, acting out a vivid dream waking up out of bed and mentally still in the dream running the neighborhood in the middle of the night with fear of death, being chased by evil spirits or paranoid of being killed, to snap into reality four hours later. I had these episodes for a month long until gradually being able to mentally control meth use, this girl I just met who put me in a state of bliss, brought me into a world of the beauty of methamphetamine and being with someone whom you are attracted to every way possible way on earth....wow sorry, still in this beautiful quiet storm with still girlfriend, still using meth and living the time of our lives in the fast lane and adrenaline chasing despite going thru such lows right now...meth is a motherfucker...I believe it has energies that can link our brain's ability to get in touch with the dead, spirits from millions of dimensions, and crazy premonitions of living deja Vu another life.
I may sound like I'm going thru a delusion, maybe I am maybe not? Maybe at a functional level? Call this narcissism in my end? Who knows
 
As others have said, at first most people will not experience psychosis even staying up for days, but eventually your brain and body can't handle it anymore if you push it too much/too often and eventually you will experience psychosis. Unfortunately, once you've been there, it's easier and easier to get back. If you're experiencing paranoid delusions on the first night of using, I'm sorry to say that it's time to put it down. You've worn that pathway too deep in your mind and you will be prone to psychosis moving forward. You need to take care of yourself.

Antipsychotics are awful drugs with terrible side effects and should only be used if absolutely necessary. You CANNOT still get high on them, they will prevent you from getting high. They'll take away the psychosis, yes, but at the cost of being unable to feel pleasure and feeling like a zombie. In some cases they can even cause permanent involuntary movements (this is called tardive dyskenisia). You want to save antipsychotics for a last resort, like if you have a full-on psychotic break that doesn't go away with sleep and needs medical intervention.
 
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