I don't agree Folley. I don't know if you are familiar with an GC/MS analysis Folley, but I am (will be doing my masters in chemistry at uni next year). Almost always when a calibration curve is made (so samples are tested with a known concentration of analyte) the concentrations of these sampled are noted as Molair (moles per liter).
Now, before the sample is injected into the column, the sample is made alkaline, so that the MDMA freebase forms, wich evaporates easily without decomposing.
After testing, the concentration of the sample can be analysed using the previously made calibration curve. This gives a concentration in mol.L^-1
Next this can be multiplied by either the molecular weight of MDMA or a salt of MDMA to give a mass.
It is important to realise that many salts contain different amounts of active MDMA. Please remember that all soluble MDMA salts immediately form ions in solution, so when MDMA.HCl is dissolved in water it gives MDMA.H(+) and Cl(-) ions (or let's just simplify it by saying it gives MDMA and HCl, it's basically leads to the same concept, that is the a salt releases it's MDMA, protonated or not, once it contacts water). That means that the salts:
100mg MDMA.HCl or 119mg MDMA.HBr or 105 mg (MDMA)2.SO4 are all equivalent in effects, e.g. they contain the same amount of active MDMA.
Now if they would test for the salt, but would not specify wich salt it is (wich they don't) dealers would put the heavier salts in their pills, as it would give higher test results with less actual active MDMA in it. Besides, this way a mass of MDMA would in theory does not indicate it's exact potency. You could argue that the labs make the conversion themselves, so say they find bromide or sulphate in the pills, they don't care, the still give the MDMA.HCl equivalence. '
Now that could be a possibility, that the labs give the MDMA.HCl equivalence, whatever salt is found, however this not true, 2 reasons:
-scientific labs would never give a result of a substance wich is not in there, e.g. 100mg MDMA.HCl, while there is actually 119mg
MDMA.HBr.
- SECOND AND MOST IMPORTANT: lab results for MDMA crystal are always max 84%, there HAS NEVER BEEN A HIGHER RESULT! This is not due to every single sample of MDMA being cut with 15% filler. You're telling me that never has a pure sample been tested, because if labs tested for MDMA.HCl there should have been a result with 85-100% right? But there isn't.
No, it confirmes my hypothesis. Dutch labs test for MDMA, and not MDMA.HCl.
They do this with both pills and crystals, they are analysed in the exact same way (except for pills, you need to include the weight of the sample divided by weight of the pill)
Now it does NOT matter that MDMA.HCl is the only form, or almost always, found in pills, it's about the fact that other salts COULD be used, and they need to make a solid,
consistent system, wich is only possible by giving the results in active MDMA.
Realise that most pharmaceuticals also use this method, they give the weight of the freebase (or carboxylic acid,et) on the container, as different salts are often used in pharmaceutical formulations, and giving the weight of the salt could be confusing, as this does not indicate it's exact potency, as the moleculair weight of the counter-ion relative to active chemical can vary greatly.
Now if you still don't believe me:
-drop a confirmed 180mg tested pill
-drop 180mg 100% pure MDMA.HCl (wich contains 151mg active MDMA)
---> The pill will hit you much harder
Now, I'm 99% sure I'm right based on my knowledge and common sense. I could be wrong, bit it would be very inlogical the labs would test for MDMA.HCl, while they test their powders on MDMA. Add the considerations and facts I wrote above and my hypothesis stands quite strong it seems.
It could be possible that you don't understand everything I say. Some chemistry knowledge, although quite basic, is needed. But if you don't understand it, you stand no ground with your points, wich are purely based on what you think seems logic it seems, unless you can provide me with references. My story is about Dutch Labs, I don't know how other labs test, such as ecstasydata.org. The test the amount of freebase equivalency in pills! If you still don't believe me , I could send an email to a dutch test centre for you.
Folley, no offense (!!!), you're really one of the most awesome posters on this forum, and I thank a lot of great drug experiences due to your advice, but sometimes you should be a bit more careful writing things about facts or scientific debates (so not drug experiences, or opinions, etc) wich are not true and in no way backed up by references, but you tell them with such confidence that the posts seem very believable. I see a LOT of people here doing this, they read many things probably, from mostly unreliable sources and make their own facts with this imformation and post them like it's true, with no references whatsoever, while often, the information is simply invalid.
