Mdma long term damage

[rc11rw]

Hi there,

3 months on from taking mdma for the second time and i still have blurred vision and dont feel myself. Light headedness is also a terrible symptom i cant shift. I have seen a neurologist and he cannot find anything. Just want to know if there are any other specialists i can see to help me out and if i have potentially Long term damage? I dont know what it could be or what damage i have done, and not sure how to get better. Someone please help!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Hi there,

3 months on from taking mdma for the second time and i still have blurred vision and dont feel myself. Light headedness is also a terrible symptom i cant shift. I have seen a neurologist and he cannot find anything. Just want to know if there are any other specialists i can see to help me out and if i have potentially Long term damage? I dont know what it could be or what damage i have done, and not sure how to get better. Someone please help!

It is extremely unlikely you have any damage. you are almost certainly simply more AWARE of your mood.

1. Get an eye exam. You could simply need glasses, seriously.

2. B vitamins -- b6 is necessary for the synthesis of most neurotransmitters -- most people are vitamin b deficient

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

If the lightheadedness is most apparent upon standing, I would make sure to start a cardio regimen.

 

[cyberius]

Talk to your physician. MDMA can cause long term damage or exacerbate latent physical/psychological issues.

 

[ShroomySatori]

Mdma can definitely cause long term effects. If you're good to yourself and stay true to a healthy lifestyle, it should be mostly reversible after a number of years. That stuff is a crazy poison that can completely screw with your head if you are unlucky. Even with limited exposure. I don't understand why Mdma hasn't been phased out yet, it's such a shit drug for long term effects. Don't ever use it or anything remotely like it again now that you know! There is basically a whole science behind how it can fuck up your serotonin system.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Even with limited exposure. I don't understand why Mdma hasn't been phased out yet, it's such a shit drug for long term effects.

Don't ever use it or anything remotely like it again now that you know!

There is basically a whole science behind how it can fuck up your serotonin system.

1a. because 23% of people responding to a global drug use survey -- have used it in the past year -- placing past year usage at tens of millions of people

1b. Total prevalence past month in the US is about 1% from ages 12+ so that is about 3.5 Million people a month in the US

1c. There isn't actually that many people that suffer any long term negatives


2. Your Opinion

3. Scientifically False, long term effects of MDMA use are basically the same as long term SSRI/SSNRI use -- but less pronounced

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

1a. because 23% of people responding to a global drug use survey -- have used it in the past year -- placing past year usage at tens of millions of people

1b. Total prevalence past month in the US is about 1% from ages 12+ so that is about 3.5 Million people a month in the US

1c. There isn't actually that many people that suffer any long term negatives


2. Your Opinion

3. Scientifically False, long term effects of MDMA use are basically the same as long term SSRI/SSNRI use -- but less pronounced

There are a lot of people anecdotally online and from my personal life that suffer negative effects (you may debate MDMA vs. ecstasy/cathinone/piperazines). But yes, most can use it responsibly and be okay (even though there are cognitive analysis suggesting that some MDMA abusers do suffer from some deleterious effects) - that doesn't mean there isn't a minority that is sensitive, and for those people the long term comedowns can be severe.

The people who use MDMA without issue tend to be super pro-MDMA, without really realizing what the LTC sufferers go through and the possible downsides of MDMA.

 

[Black]

The people who use MDMA without issue tend to be super pro-MDMA, without really realizing what the LTC sufferers go through and the possible downsides of MDMA.

it's the same with any drug, illegal or not. most people (including your doctor) will see ibuprofen as pretty harmless drug useful for a wide variety of ailments, while the people affected by toxic epidermal necrolysis due to ibuprofen will see it differently.

 

[burn out]

Talk to your physician. MDMA can cause long term damage or exacerbate latent physical/psychological issues.

What is his physician gonna do? He said he already saw a neurologist. Western medicine is very weak in areas like this. They can do surgeries and cure certain infections but they do not know how to fix mental problems or brain damage brought on by drug use.

 

[cyberius]

What is his physician gonna do? He said he already saw a neurologist. Western medicine is very weak in areas like this. They can do surgeries and cure certain infections but they do not know how to fix mental problems or brain damage brought on by drug use.

Maybe his problems aren't neurological? Should he just give up on trying to treat this because his neurologist cleared him?

 

[burn out]

I didn't say he should give up, I just don't think the average family practitioner is gonna be of much assistance in this sort of situation. If his problems aren't neurological that's all the more reason to doubt that a physician will know what to do, unless he happens to be very lucky and get a doctor with actual wisdom and healing ability. Very rare these days.

The sad truth is that most doctors today are not healers. They regurgitate information they learned out of a book that was sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies and collect patients money regardless of whether they do anything for them or even harm them. If someone comes in with mental issues they put them on antidepressants or benzos because that's what they were brainwashed to do. Drugs like this merely suppress the symptoms and do nothing to actually heal the person, on the contrary they are capable of causing great harm.

I think we need to stop putting doctors on a pedestal and realize that 100 years from now, we are going to look back on many of the practices of medicine today and think of them in the same way we currently think of lobotomies, bloodletting and other barbaric and ineffectual medical practices of the past.

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

I agree on many points regarding most doctors being brainwashed by pharma dogma, but the family doctor still serves a purpose - they are a gateway to other resources. For example they can suggest a psychologist that's fluent in mindfulness. Whether or not the family doctor will do that sort of thing is up in the air but it's definitely worth a try.

 

[Thanos90]

A friend of mine did 2g mdma untested with many redoses and a lot of heavy alcochol drinks (vodka,whiskey) and weed...

Late at night he stucked,he was speaking with receptionist at hotel and he stucked,when he go to fk his gf heart rate increase to 180 bps and more...

He was losing focus,he was change direction of eyes

Was a bad roll,redoses and overdoses with alcohol.....

What happens to him next days?
He was feeling down for 2 days and problem with focus 3-4 days...
After a week he was 100% back

I ask him,what you did and you healed so fast?

His answer?
"I didn't let the drug to control me"

I told him that mdma is neurotoxic and can brain damage you

He answer that he saw many people taking more without being ill...

If mdma was neurotoxic he had to be brain fked right?
He use mdma+alcohol+weed,according to scientists he have to be brain fked right now right?

 

[Black]

He use mdma+alcohol+weed,according to scientists he have to be brain fked right now right?

no. only according to the scientists paid by the dea. science as a whole is always open to new evidence, even if it might take a long time. we now know that ricaurte, the dea-financed scientist who authored most "mdma is horribly toxic" papers, has faked some research and misinterpreted others —pretty much none of his articles should be deemed trustworthy. we also know that the doses used in most of the older studies don't correspond to typical human doses, so that the older research is mostly irrelevant. we even see mdma as one of the least harmful substances in the ranking by david nutt. the tides are turning in the scientific community.
political influence, monetary interests or social norms may dictate the perception of a subject for a period of time, but in the end there are always people who'll question the consensus and our knowledge advances to fit reality better.

 

[EnlightenedOne1]

It is extremely unlikely you have any damage. you are almost certainly simply more AWARE of your mood.

1. Get an eye exam. You could simply need glasses, seriously.

2. B vitamins -- b6 is necessary for the synthesis of most neurotransmitters -- most people are vitamin b deficient

What this guy said plus everyone who mentioned exercise. I ABUSED MDMA/MDA/MDE/ etc for 12 years in dosages that would make you cringe i.e 3 grams of pure MDMA a binge or 10-15 pressed pills....

After my 12 year run, I took 3 grams on NYE going into 2014 and I said I'll never do this again and I haven't....stop believing all of these horror stories you read on the internet!!!!

you are fine...

 

[burn out]

What this guy said plus everyone who mentioned exercise. I ABUSED MDMA/MDA/MDE/ etc for 12 years in dosages that would make you cringe i.e 3 grams of pure MDMA a binge or 10-15 pressed pills....

After my 12 year run, I took 3 grams on NYE going into 2014 and I said I'll never do this again and I haven't....stop believing all of these horror stories you read on the internet!!!!

you are fine...

Three grams? I dont understand how/why people would even take this much. In my experience redosing doesn't even work well. I can effectively redose once, but after that each subsequent redose increases the side effects without bringing the euphoria back. A little euphoria might come back for 10 minutes with a redose, but will then fade into increased side effects that last a lot longer than 10 minutes.

 

[Nambo]

What this guy said plus everyone who mentioned exercise. I ABUSED MDMA/MDA/MDE/ etc for 12 years in dosages that would make you cringe i.e 3 grams of pure MDMA a binge or 10-15 pressed pills....

After my 12 year run, I took 3 grams on NYE going into 2014 and I said I'll never do this again and I haven't....stop believing all of these horror stories you read on the internet!!!!

you are fine...

Clearly the world is one very unfair place. Luckily your arrogance (and nievity) hasn't affected you. I can assure you that a LTC is no joke and VERY real. It can fuck you in ways you can't even comprehend. If you had had one taste of it you would be singing a very different tune.

 

[martainnn]

Yeah Id like to reinforce what nambo said. I never imagined in the 8 years I used mdma/drugs that my mental health would be as bad as it has become from one bad mdma experience. So yeah MDMA can fuck you up.

That being said, its very unlikely that MDMA causes any brain damage, or at least damage that would effect your quality of life. I think as long as youre not doing stupid amounts for long periods of time, theres nothing to worry about

 

[terarc]

Yeah seriously, MDMA has a very real dark side. I'm sure most people are fine, but seriously if you'd ever felt what it is like you'd know there's no point running the risk and you wouldn't want anyone else to run the risk either. That's why I would never advise that anyone use MDMA more than once every 3-4 months (the less often the better), or that anyone take dosages beyond what Shulgin describes in PiHKAL or redose more than one small booster per session. Even if they would be fine, there's no point in anyone risking the potential negatives. Plus why take the novelty out of such a wonderful experience by taking it frequently anyway, a few times a year is plenty enough.

 

[Black]

Clearly the world is one very unfair place. Luckily your arrogance (and nievity) hasn't affected you. I can assure you that a LTC is no joke and VERY real. It can fuck you in ways you can't even comprehend. If you had had one taste of it you would be singing a very different tune.

it is. some die in a plane crash. some have their heart stop beating because they took a widely used antibiotic for a simple infection. some spend months in a state of severe derealisation/depersonalisation due to taking one bong hit of medium quality hash; and do that several times because they are young and stupid and everyone tells them that cannabis is harmless so they try again. that's also no joke and very real. but it's all very rare and you shouldn't be afraid of any of that happening. it's more likely that you die in a car accident.
when it happens it's simply bad luck. the world is an unfair place.

the cannabis thing is exactly what happened to me. should i think that people who smoke lots of high quality weed are arrogant and naïve?